AOC facing expulsion from Congress, and revocation of national security clearance.

[IBDaMann]

Assumption of victory fallacy.

It's just a mere assumption of victory, not a fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

So you are openly declaring that you do not understand that protected speech is never illegal.

Supporting criminal activity is not protected speech.

This should explain why your argument will never gain traction.

It already has, dude.

Frankly, this is very unlike you to so quickly strip away inalienable rights.

There is no inherent right to support criminal activity.

Fortunately for all Americans who enjoy their 1st Amendment protections, this issue will not go your way.

The 1st amendment is not involved. Strawman fallacy.

ICE and DHS are just going to have to practice good OPSEC.

Which is why losing security clearance and censorship may happen.

Nope. She is engaging in free expression. See the 1st Amendment.

Supporting criminal activity is not free expression. The 1st amendment is not involved.

In this case, it is not a fallacy to declare victory.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

By when do you imagine that I will have been shown to be incorrect?

You already have.

It's information.

Supporting criminal activity is not information.

The 1st Amendment protects it all ... and you know this.

The 1st amendment is not involved. Strawman fallacy.

You EVADE my question about what information you claim is not protected under the 1st Amendment.

You didn't ask any question.

We don't need to rake you over the coals any further if you wish to drop this point.

Cliche fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy.

... and free expression that is protected under the 1st Amendment is not "supporting criminal activity".

Supporting criminal activity is not protected. The 1st amendment is not involved. Strawman fallacy.

That's not a result of her having done anything illegal. It's the result of her violating her oath of office.

Supporting criminal activity is illegal.

Nope. The President can only modify regulations, not any law.

Regulations ARE law, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

It's just a mere assumption of victory, not a fallacy.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Your word games won't work.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Informing someone of their constitutional rights is not the same thing as planning a bank robbery.

Yep, but that isn't what she was doing. Instead she engaged in seditious conspiracy to thwart U.S. Immigration law.

I think what gets you Stalinist's all confused is the fact that there is no "Constitutional right" to engage in criminal activities.

One is rights enshrined in the Constitution and in law. The other is planning a crime.

Can you point out the part of the Constitution that guarantees a person the "right" to violate federal law?

Article and section.

There is no way to commit seditious conspiracy when violating immigration law. It would be like arguing that you are committing murder by planning a bank robbery.

She engaged in a conspiracy to thwart the ability of the United States to protect and secure the border. That is sedition - aiding the invasion of the country.

She is guilty of seditious conspiracy. What she did if FAR worse than anything the Proud Boys ever did. Kicking the asses of rapists and arsonists isn't sedition.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Here's the sad truth ... in many respects the current Democratic Party is just a flip side of the political coin. Remember how both parties shut down the McCain/Feingold bill? Or how they conspired to shut Ralph Nader out of the final presidential candidate debates in 2000? The "old guard" loves that power and the donor class must not be upset.

No, I don't "remember" that at all - because you're lying.

The GOP supported Nader being in the debates - it was PURELY the Stalinists - the democrats, who shut him out. Nader was pure gold for the Republicans.

 

[EdwinA]

Eggs are bad for most people anyway; with prices so high just buy frigging avocados and eat something actually good for you.

They still destroy hundreds of millions of eggs while claiming there is a 'shortage'. people know that, right?

 

[AProudLefty]

Yep, but that isn't what she was doing. Instead she engaged in seditious conspiracy to thwart U.S. Immigration law.

I think what gets you Stalinist's all confused is the fact that there is no "Constitutional right" to engage in criminal activities.



Can you point out the part of the Constitution that guarantees a person the "right" to violate federal law?

Article and section.



She engaged in a conspiracy to thwart the ability of the United States to protect and secure the border. That is sedition - aiding the invasion of the country.

She is guilty of seditious conspiracy. What she did if FAR worse than anything the Proud Boys ever did. Kicking the asses of rapists and arsonists isn't sedition.

So where's the charge?

 

[Earl]

While you make valid points, my support and respect for the young woman remains firm.

This is what I know for certain,
even as almost nobody else ever brings up the thought.

Americans in general and lukewarm liberals in particular
are sadly too timid to understand
how there are no moderate solutions to hugely immoderate problems.

Americans are now polarized far beyond the tipping point.
Progressive Americans are NEVER going to have a tolerable government with this nation remaining in its
current, unified configuration.

Being this unsatisfied brings consequences.
I hope to be still living to see the explosion and thus see my view proven,
even though the experience will be horrific.

I don't merely disagree with 77 million+ trumpanzees.
I quite literally bear seething hatred for them.
I am certain that they've all devolved to sub-human mutant status.

They are no longer merely the opposition.
They are now the mortal enemy.

If America makes no serious attempt to give up its current configuration
and try to partition in a way to accommodate its totally incompatible current citizenry,
we will completely bypass third world status
and quickly evolve into a fourth world, apocalyptic dystopia.

I think we're getting uncomfortably close to that RIGHT NOW.
We're a putridly smelling dumpster fire under the pigfucker,
and it gets worse every day.

As for those responsible for the pigfucking orangutan being elected twice,
if they could only be stacked in a bonfire and doused with gasoline,
I would ecstatically light the match.
No hyperbole. I couldn't speak more literally.

Sit down, old man.

You are going to stroke out.

In the grand scheme of things, you are irrelevant.

The American people rejected loons like you.

The train left the station and left you behind.

 

[BartenderElite]

Sit down, old man.

You are going to stroke out.

In the grand scheme of things, you are irrelevant.

The American people rejected loons like you.

The train left the station and left you behind.

The American people voted for a better economy.

They're getting screwed.

 

[EdwinA]

So Tbird19482 posts another

as a response to the statement that illegal aliens have no right to remain in the US.

Well, these are the tards who think the Jan. 6 thing was 'sedition;, but their Party's hired street thugs burning down police stations and Federal buildings was 'mostly peaceful n stuff'

 

[Earl]

The American people voted for a better economy.

They're getting screwed.

My economy is great.

Get a job.

 

[BartenderElite]

My economy is great.

Get a job.

Most people are losing a fortune in their 401K's. And more will lose jobs because of this market crash.

Trump inherited a good & growing economy - and immediately trashed it w/ his dopey tariff idea, which even conservative economists said would be a disaster.

He's a bad President, Earl. He'd lose if the election was held today.

 

[Diogenes]

Most people are losing a fortune in their 401K's. And more will lose jobs because of this market crash. Trump inherited a good & growing economy - and immediately trashed it w/ his dopey tariff idea, which even conservative economists said would be a disaster. He's a bad President, Earl. He'd lose if the election was held today.

Barfly is retarded.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Yep, but that isn't what she was doing. Instead she engaged in seditious conspiracy to thwart U.S. Immigration law.

I think what gets you Stalinist's all confused is the fact that there is no "Constitutional right" to engage in criminal activities.

An act of sedition requires an actual act of violence. What act did she commit?
Your argument that simply talking results in conspiracy to commit sedition would mean that in 4 years everyone involved with Jan 6th could be indicted for conspiracy to commit sedition since the statute of limitations for conspiracy is 10 years.

Can you point out the part of the Constitution that guarantees a person the "right" to violate federal law?

Article and section.

I guess you missed the first amendment which says that speech isn't a crime.

She engaged in a conspiracy to thwart the ability of the United States to protect and secure the border. That is sedition - aiding the invasion of the country.

She is guilty of seditious conspiracy. What she did if FAR worse than anything the Proud Boys ever did. Kicking the asses of rapists and arsonists isn't sedition.

What actual act did she commit. Making a video is not a crime. Aiding and abetting requires an actual act helping a specific criminal. The law for aiding and abetting a person in the country illegally requires that one knows that specific person is in the country illegally.

Since you keep claiming she committed a crime, cite the actual statute she violated. Title and section.

 

[Earl]

Most people are losing a fortune in their 401K's. And more will lose jobs because of this market crash.

Trump inherited a good & growing economy - and immediately trashed it w/ his dopey tariff idea, which even conservative economists said would be a disaster.

He's a bad President, Earl. He'd lose if the election was held today.

Well, no.

A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.

• Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
  • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
  • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
  • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
  • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
  • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
  • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
  • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
  • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
  • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
• Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
• Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
• Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
• Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
  • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
  • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
  • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
  • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
• Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
  • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”

 

[BartenderElite]

Well, no.

A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.

• Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
  • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
  • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
  • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
  • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
  • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
  • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
  • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
  • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
  • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
• Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
• Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
• Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
• Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
  • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
  • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
  • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
  • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
• Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
  • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”

That poll is 3 weeks old - right?

 

[EdwinA]

Most people are losing a fortune in their 401K's. And more will lose jobs because of this market crash.

Trump inherited a good & growing economy - and immediately trashed it w/ his dopey tariff idea, which even conservative economists said would be a disaster.

He's a bad President, Earl. He'd lose if the election was held today.

The market hasn't crashed. Most players know it was ridiculously over-priced and knew corrections are due, it's just a matter of when, is all. All the cash chasing the AI fad is now pulling out, other stocks will go for good prices, especially the dividend payers, after the day traders and gamblers get done shorting everything. Over 70% of the market is automated institutional trading anyway. 401K's are just another scam Wall Street dreamed up to make idiots think they're Players now.

 

[BartenderElite]

The market hasn't crashed. Most players know it was ridiculously over-priced and knew corrections are due, it's just a matter of when, is all. All the cash chasing the AI fad is now pulling out, other stocks will go for good prices, especially the dividend payers, after the day traders and gamblers get done shorting everything. Over 70% of the market is automated institutional trading anyway. 401K's are just another scam Wall Street dreamed up to make idiots think they're Players now.

It was definitely overpriced - but there isn't much doubt that Trump's tariffs and rhetoric accelerated the correction.

Hopefully, you're right & it is just that. It's been a dramatic start to the admin on that front, but I get that Trump is taking a risk like he would in business. It would be nice to see more in the economic community agree w/ him, but he'll be judged on the results ultimately.

 

[AProudLefty]

Well, no.

A new poll by Harvard CAPS-Harris reveals the majority of the country backs President Donald J. Trump and his actions to bring much-needed reforms that are making America great again.

• Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s agenda.
  • 81% support deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
  • 76% support a “full-scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government.”
  • 76% support closing the border with additional security and policies.
  • 69% support keeping men out of women’s sports.
  • 68% support government declaring there are only two genders.
  • 65% support ending race-based hiring in government.
  • 63% support “freezing and re-evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them.”
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 60% support direct U.S. negotiations with Russia to end the war in Ukraine.
  • 59% support cutting government spending already approved by Congress.
  • 57% support ending the ban on new offshore drilling.
• Most Americans approve of President Trump’s job performance — including pluralities of men, women, independents, and Americans who live in urban, suburban, and rural areas — while almost six-in-ten say he’s doing a better job than President Biden.
• Almost half of Americans believe the U.S. economy is “strong” under President Trump — the highest number since 2021 — while a plurality say his policies will make them “financially better off.”
• Americans are significantly more optimistic about the direction of the country, with those who say we’re on the right track up 14 points over last month.
• Americans strongly support President Trump’s effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in government.
  • 77% support a “full examination of all government expenditures.”
  • 72% agree there should be a government agency “focused on efficiency.”
  • 70% say government is “filled with waste, fraud, and inefficiency.”
  • Two-thirds say Congress should join the “effort to reduce government expenditures.”
• Americans back President Trump’s action to protect American workers.
  • 61% support reciprocal tariffs.
  • 57% say tariffs are an “effective foreign and economic policy tool.”
  • 54% say tariffs will help get “concessions from other countries.”

Why do you keep bringing up a poll of Americans supporting Trump? Remember that Trump didn't win the majority of votes?

 

[IBDaMann]

Supporting criminal activity is not protected speech.

Now you are just repeating your moves, playing for the draw.

The 1st amendment is not involved.

Too funny. Your argument rests on the denial of inalienable rights. Unless you have something to add that respects the inalienable rights guaranteed by the Constitution, we're done here.

Regulations ARE law, dude.

You need a government refresher. Regulations are instructions on executing the law; they are not the law themselves.