Oil Rig Explodes off LA Coast

Mott the Hoople

Mott the Hoople

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This is turninig into an ecological disaster that has dwarfed the Exon Valdez spill. 47,000 gallons of crude oil a day is leaking into the Gulf coast. The shore lines and ecologies of Texas, LA, MS, AL and FL are all being impacted. Shore line properties in all these states will take a huge hit in their values. Wetland ecosystems all ready on a fragile balance are being devestated.

So what do all you proponents for off shore drilling have to say now? Do you now have a clue as to the resistance to off shore drilling?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100427/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion
 
Mott the Hoople said:
This is turninig into an ecological disaster that has dwarfed the Exon Valdez spill. 47,000 gallons of crude oil a day is leaking into the Gulf coast. The shore lines and ecologies of Texas, LA, MS, AL and FL are all being impacted. Shore line properties in all these states will take a huge hit in their values. Wetland ecosystems all ready on a fragile balance are being devestated.

So what do all you proponents for off shore drilling have to say now? Do you now have a clue as to the resistance to off shore drilling?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100427/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion
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Well, since there was a coal mine disaster that killed people, we should obviously shut down all coal mines in the world.

Since there was this rig explosion, we should obviously shut down all oil production in the world.

Since Chernobyl occurred, we should cease all nuclear production.

Since people die in car accidents, we should go back to the horse and buggy....except... nope... people died in buggy accidents as well. We should all just walk everywhere we want to go.

Since people recently died in Plane accidents, we should cease all flights immediately.

Since the Edison natural gas explosion occurred, we should cease all natural gas production immediately.

Great point Mott....
 
I'm still all for it. How long and how many rigs have been operating in the gulf before this happened. Things will clean up down there. The environment will right itself eventually. Sometimes bad things happen.
 
leaningright said:
I'm still all for it. How long and how many rigs have been operating in the gulf before this happened. Things will clean up down there. The environment will right itself eventually. Sometimes bad things happen.
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Exactly. Like say when Mother Nature unleashes, oh I don't know... a massive volcanic eruption.... how is the environment doing from that Mott????

Obviously we need to protest nature now. Friggin polluting the environment like that.

Also... just for you Mott....

http://www.instadv.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=412

Next time you step on a glob of tar on a beach in Santa Barbara County, you can thank the oil companies that it isn't a bigger glob.

The same is true around the world, on other beaches where off-shore oil drilling occurs, say scientists, although Santa Barbara's oil seeps are thought to be among the leakiest.

Natural seepage of hydrocarbons from the ocean floor in the northern Santa Barbara Channel has been significantly reduced by oil production, according to two recently published peer-reviewed articles, one in November's Geology Magazine, the other in the Journal of Geophysical Research - Oceans.
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According to the articles, studies of the area around Platform Holly showed a 50 percent decrease in natural seepage over 22 years. The researchers show that as the oil was pumped out the reservoir, pressure that drives the seepage dropped.

"If the decrease in natural seepage found near Platform Holly is representative of the effect of oil production on seepage worldwide, then this has the potential to significantly alter global oil and gas seepage in the future," state the researchers in the article "The World's Most Spectacular Marine Hydrocarbon Seeps: Quantification of Emissions " in the Sept. 14 issue of the Journal of Geological Research - Oceans.

They continue, "For example if the 50 percent reduction in natural seepage rate that occurred around Platform Holly also occurred due to future oil production from the oil field beneath the La Goleta seep, this would result in a reduction in nonmethane hydrocarbon emission rates equivalent to removing half of the on-road vehicle traffic from Santa Barbara County. In addition, a 50 percent reduction in seepage from the La Goleta seep would remove about 25 barrels of oil per day from the sea surface, which in turn would result in a 15 percent reduction in the amount of tar found on Santa Barbara beaches."

They conclude by saying that the rate of increase of global methane atmospheric concentrations has been declining for the past 20 years, and that a "worldwide decrease in natural hydrocarbon seepage related to onshore and offshore oil production may be causing a global reduction in natural methane emission rates."
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from the same article....
 
The oil is still 30 miles offshore.
Mott doesn't drive and use gasoline, ohh wait yes he does. Does he know where it comes from? Maybe he'd rather we get it from 3rd world countries with no regs and clean up industries we have. LOL
 
To be fair, I think he does ride his bicycle to work...but I'm sure he still uses some petrol and other oil related products. Definitely a difference of opinion exists among us about the catastrophe on the rig and its implications though.
 
leaningright said:
To be fair, I think he does ride his bicycle to work...but I'm sure he still uses some petrol and other oil related products. Definitely a difference of opinion exists among us about the catastrophe on the rig and its implications though.
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While it is a tragic incident in the loss of life as well as the environmental impact, to suggest shutting down all off shore rigs as a result is just a knee jerk reaction. It is not well thought out. As the link I provided suggests, drilling can ALSO help alleviate environmental damage.

This incident is not common, but it does provide us with an opportunity to review what happened and try to establish protocol to attempt to prevent future like occurrences.
 
"Knee-jerk" is exactly the way I would describe it. I was wondering how long it would take for some to propose such.....and I'm not talking about someone on this board but someone in politics.
 
Superfreak said:
Well, since there was a coal mine disaster that killed people, we should obviously shut down all coal mines in the world.

Since there was this rig explosion, we should obviously shut down all oil production in the world.

Since Chernobyl occurred, we should cease all nuclear production.

Since people die in car accidents, we should go back to the horse and buggy....except... nope... people died in buggy accidents as well. We should all just walk everywhere we want to go.

Since people recently died in Plane accidents, we should cease all flights immediately.

Since the Edison natural gas explosion occurred, we should cease all natural gas production immediately.

Great point Mott....
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Strawman! The coal mine explosion didn't damage the property of millions of people nor did it damage public property used by millions of recreational users or the many thousands who use that water and coast lines to make their livlihoods, such as, fishermen. Nor did it threaten the health and well being of millions of people who live on those shore lines and not to mention the health of the ecosystems which we depend upon being devastated. By any conservative economic calculation there is no way you can justify the price to be paid for this. Even if this well is salvaged it will never, ever be able to pay even remotely close to the property damage it has done, not to mention the lives of the 11 crew men lost. So spare me the strawman rhetoric as it appears the only property rights you respect are those of big oil.
 
leaningright said:
I'm still all for it. How long and how many rigs have been operating in the gulf before this happened. Things will clean up down there. The environment will right itself eventually. Sometimes bad things happen.
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Eventually? Yea....considering the volume of contamination, it should only take a few thousand years. Just a tick of the clock by geological standards, right? To bad were not living by geological time, eh? What a darnedd shame. [/sarcasm]
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Strawman! The coal mine explosion didn't damage the property of millions of people nor did it damage public property used by millions of recreational users or the many thousands who use that water and coast lines to make their livlihoods, such as, fishermen. Nor did it threaten the health and well being of millions of people who live on those shore lines and not to mention the health of the ecosystems which we depend upon being devastated. By any conservative economic calculation there is no way you can justify the price to be paid for this. Even if this well is salvaged it will never, ever be able to pay even remotely close to the property damage it has done, not to mention the lives of the 11 crew men lost. So spare me the strawman rhetoric as it appears the only property rights you respect are those of big oil.
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Keep reading the thread twit.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Strawman! The coal mine explosion didn't damage the property of millions of people nor did it damage public property used by millions of recreational users or the many thousands who use that water and coast lines to make their livlihoods, such as, fishermen. Nor did it threaten the health and well being of millions of people who live on those shore lines and not to mention the health of the ecosystems which we depend upon being devastated. By any conservative economic calculation there is no way you can justify the price to be paid for this. Even if this well is salvaged it will never, ever be able to pay even remotely close to the property damage it has done, not to mention the lives of the 11 crew men lost. So spare me the strawman rhetoric as it appears the only property rights you respect are those of big oil.
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hey toolius maximus the spill hasn't hit land yet, secondly where the fuck do you think most of your oil comes from. Welcome to the Louisiana oil patch, we live with this risk daily.
 
Topspin said:
The oil is still 30 miles offshore.
Mott doesn't drive and use gasoline, ohh wait yes he does. Does he know where it comes from? Maybe he'd rather we get it from 3rd world countries with no regs and clean up industries we have. LOL
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Oh sure and my property means nothing to you? You have the right to just drive up and dump all the shit over my and anyone elses property you want. And not just shit. Were talking toxic, hazardous waste. Boy now I get to watch my kids get liver cancer but that's a small price to be paid so that some red neck can drive a gas guzzler. And hey how bout that beautiful beach front house I have that I can't live in any longer and can't sell because of few thousand tons of crude washed up on my lawn but hey that's my fucking problem, right? I should know better than to live on the coast near an oil rig.

If you can't understand this is exactly why people oppose of fshore drilling near our coast lines then your complete fools!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh sure and my property means nothing to you? You have the right to just drive up and dump all the shit over my and anyone elses property you want. And not just shit. Were talking toxic, hazardous waste. Boy now I get to watch my kids get liver cancer but that's a small price to be paid so that some red neck can drive a gas guzzler. And hey how bout that beautiful beach front house I have that I can't live in any longer and can't sell because of few thousand tons of crude washed up on my lawn but hey that's my fucking problem, right? I should know better than to live on the coast near an oil rig.

If you can't understand this is exactly why people oppose of fshore drilling near our coast lines then your complete fools!
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your a retard, you didn't read about property damage cause non occured yet. Also you use shitloads of oil get off your high horse moron.
 
Topspin said:
hey toolius maximus the spill hasn't hit land yet, secondly where the fuck do you think most of your oil comes from. Welcome to the Louisiana oil patch, we live with this risk daily.
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Yea and it just blew up not only in your face but in the face of all your neighbors too and you know as well as I do that gulf coast oil drilling meets a minute fraction of our oil demands. You're completely blind if you don't understand why people have major concerns about these oil rigs near our coasts. Just one incidence like this negates their economic impact. I can tell you this much, when this shit hits land, and it will, there'll be hell to pay.

Oil rigs near the coast make about as much sense as building a nuclear reactor in or near a geological fault line!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Strawman! The coal mine explosion didn't damage the property of millions of people nor did it damage public property used by millions of recreational users or the many thousands who use that water and coast lines to make their livlihoods, such as, fishermen. Nor did it threaten the health and well being of millions of people who live on those shore lines and not to mention the health of the ecosystems which we depend upon being devastated. By any conservative economic calculation there is no way you can justify the price to be paid for this. Even if this well is salvaged it will never, ever be able to pay even remotely close to the property damage it has done, not to mention the lives of the 11 crew men lost. So spare me the strawman rhetoric as it appears the only property rights you respect are those of big oil.
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So, by your logic we shouldn't ship oil overseas either? Did we not just have a tanker incident in TX earlier this year?

You mention the lives of the 11 crew members (unlike you, I will not be sexist and assume they are all men) on the rig, yet dismiss the comparison to the miners.

You mention the environmental impact of the spill, but neglect the impact of the coal mine?

You immediately go into the damage to the beaches etc... and effecting MILLIONS of lives... all the while the oil is still 30 miles off shore.

I urge you to look again at the article that shows off shore drilling can ALSO help ease the environmental impact of natural oil/gas seepage.

The knee jerk reaction of 'shut down all off shore drilling' because of this incident is ridiculous. Which is why I countered with all the other exaggerated incidents.
 
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