Head of Hamas government in Gaza eliminated

You're the one that cheers Hamas and Iran on. I think both should be bombed into the stone age.
Why Hamas? What has Hamas actually done that isn't some fiction that Israel has ordered you to believe and you OBEYED?

I get it, you are hell-bent on attributing everything done by Iran to Hamas. How intellectually honest of you. What I don't get is why? You don't gain anything from it, aside from legitimizing Israeli genocide, of course.
 
I appreciate the honesty. Hamas is a political party administering to Gaza. They have no army and no money. Hamas has never attacked Israel. Iran does that.


HAMAS is a Muslim terror group committed to attacking Jews, on 7 October 2023, HAMAS launched a massive surprise attack against Israel, killing nearly 1,200 people.

Hamas’s top leaders are worth billions​



 
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Why Hamas? What has Hamas actually done that isn't some fiction that Israel has ordered you to believe and you OBEYED?

I get it, you are hell-bent on attributing everything done by Iran to Hamas. How intellectually honest of you. What I don't get is why? You don't gain anything from it, aside from legitimizing Israeli genocide, of course.
So, you have zero answer to my questions above. Typical.
 

Doctrine of Hamas​

I appreciate the honesty. Hamas is a political party administering to Gaza. They have no army and no money. Hamas has never attacked Israel. Iran does that.


Doctrine of Hamas​


Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel.

 
Immoral. You are legitimizing killing on the basis of mere association. What's worse, is that you will cheer and applaud all killing by Israel if they assure you that at least one of the killed was "Hamas" and that the rest had to be slaughtered as collateral damage. Israel can even get you to blame the slaughtered by saying the magic words: "Hamas hides behind human shields".

Israel slaughters Arabs for no reason other than they are Arabs.


You are gullible. Iran is the only attacker of Israel, through its proxies Al Qassam, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, none of whom are affiliated with Hamas

Hamas is merely a political party with no money and no army. You simply allow Israel to do your thinking for you.
You DO know there is a war, right???
 
Nope. You can easily prove your case by posting some images of Hamas fighters.
Argument of the Stone fallacy. Prosecutor's fallacy. Attempted negative proof fallacy.
False. There are the Geneva Conventions and the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Israel and the US are both signatories and are bound by these rules.
Hamas isn't a signatory of the Geneva Convention, IBD. There is no genocide.
 
Why Hamas? What has Hamas actually done that isn't some fiction that Israel has ordered you to believe and you OBEYED?
RQAA. Stop mindlessly asking that question over and over.
I get it, you are hell-bent on attributing everything done by Iran to Hamas. How intellectually honest of you. What I don't get is why? You don't gain anything from it, aside from legitimizing Israeli genocide, of course.
There is no genocide.
 
Personally, I don't give a shit who declared war on whom
Yes you do. You HATE Arabs and you crave for the IDF to eradicate them. You don't want to sound petty, murderous and genocidal, however, so you are more or less required to insist that unarmed Gazan civilian noncombatants somehow "started" the war, or that Iran suddenly decided to loan out Al Qassam for free, all to imply that Israel somehow did not initiate a genocidal 2nd Nakba against unarmed civilian noncombatants.

Let me know how that works for you.

--even if I think it was Palestinians.
There is no Palestine. We're talking about Gazans. Israel HATES their Arab neighbors, especially the Gazans, because they are so close that the Israelis can still smell their odor and find it insufferable. You acknowledge that the Gazans have no capability to attack anyone, seeing as how they have no money and no army, yet you are required to OBEY Israeli propaganda that Gazans, not well-funded Iranian proxies, somehow initiated the war, somehow justifying the IDF to slaughter the lot of them ... as long as Israel occasionally announces that they took out "a Hamas leader." To that end, of course you don't care how many Arab children are wasted, alas, you want more, more, more. You actively celebrate Arab deaths. You're pretty shitty in that regard.

It's a war.
Nope. It's a genocide, initiated and perpetrated on the Gazans by the Israelis. The Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Genocide are being violated thoroughly by the IDF.

Show us some sources that Al Qassam isn't the military arm of Hamas
Right, you are asking me to prove a negative. Al Qassam is a radical, militant proxy of Iran, and Iran does not have its proxies doing anyone's bidding but the Ayatollah's. You are the one making the absurd assertion that Al Qassam is somehow submitting to the will of Hamas! You need to show this, and not by merely pointing to mere commentary by others who are equally mistaken as you are.

You don't know what the word genocide means
You are the one who doesn't know what the legal definition of "genocide" is, but you are about to learn. Israel, the United States and almost every other country is a signatory to Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and is henceforth required to adhere to this convention.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


The IDF's genocide meets this definition in multiple ways with many counts each, ... and only one is sufficient. The Convention goes on to read:

Article III The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.


Now you know. Israel signed up to this very definition, as did the United States, and they both signed up to punish all those who violate this Convention. The extent to which you disagree with this Convention is irrelevant.

The Contracting Parties,
* Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world,
* Recognizing that at all periods of history genocide has inflicted great losses on humanity, and
* Being convinced that, in order to liberate mankind from such an odious scourge, international co-operation is required,
Hereby agree as hereinafter provided :

Article I The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.


Once again, both Israel and the US signed up for this.

and you don't get to make up your own definition of it.
Exactly. You don't get to make up your own definitions.

This is delusional. It's beyond delusional.
It stands non-rebutted.

I've shown Hamas and Al Qassam are one and the same.
You have not. You provided merely an internet link to those mistaken propaganda purevyors who do your thinking for you. You need to show either the money flow or an announcement from Iran that they are allowing Hamas to use their proxies.
 
You don't get to speak for anybody else, IBD. Mantra 30a.
I get to summarize the hatred he has clearly expressed, as have you, for civilian noncombatant Arabs just for being Arabs. Both you and he celebrate every IDF slaughtering of Gazans. I am totally within my right to mention such. I have no idea why you make the most ridiculous special pleading fallacies to justify the IDF's genocide, but you do, and I will make mention of it whenever I feel like it.

Let's examine the legal definition of "genocide" to which Israel and the US are signatories:

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article I The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.
 
HAMAS is a Muslim terror group committed to attacking Jews,
Hamas is a political organization that has never attacked Israel. Israel, however, HAS perpetrated genocide against Gazans, whereas you baselessly claim that Hamas has expressed a desire to defend themselves against Israeli aggression.

Wow. You aren't painting a rosy picture of Israel.

on 7 October 2023, HAMAS launched a massive surprise attack against Israel, killing nearly 1,200 people.
On 7 October 2023, IRAN attacked Israel via its proxy Al Qassam (not affiliated with Hamas in any way), killing nearly 1,200 people.

Hamas’s top leaders are worth billions
Nope. I'd like to see you show this. If you try, all you'll discover is Iran's intricate and covert funding network designed to circumvent all the laws throughout the Americas, Asia, and Europe to thwart the financing of terrorism.

Hamas has no money and no army. I welcome you to try to show otherwise.
 
Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel.
More than mere talk, since its official establishment on May 14, 1948, Israel has bullied its Arab neighbors, even those who have never attacked Israel.

Israel never attacks Iran, the only attacker of Israel since 1979.
 
RQAA. Stop mindlessly asking that question over and over.
You have never answered the fundamental question as to why you present your stupid special pleading fallacy. I realize that you will never answer, and you should realize that I'm going to keep asking. We'll both team up together to waste bandwidth.

There is no genocide.
Denial. Your king is tipped.

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I posted the relevant text from the Conventions you deny, Conventions to which Israel and the US are signatories.
 
I answered all your questions. You are the one who never has any legitimate answers to any questions.
You dodged them with a combination of legalese and non sequiturs.

For example, you defined genocide but never demonstrated that Israel by word or deed was committing it. Giving me a legal definition does nothing to prove you really understand what genocide is or that you recognize when it's being committed.

You then claim based on nothing that you can't prove that Hamas and the Al Qassam brigades aren't linked. Well, it's easy to prove they are:







The evidence is overwhelming that the Al Qassam brigades are the military arm of Hamas. Hamas and Al Qassam are one and the same. Yet, you continue on the basis of NOTHING to claim otherwise.
 
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