The curious politics of immigration

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/the-curious-politics-of-immigration/

The Curious Politics of Immigration

Just a quick note: my take on the politics of immigration is that it divides both parties, but in different ways.


Democrats are torn individually (a state I share). On one side, they favor helping those in need, which inclines them to look sympathetically on immigrants; plus they’re relatively open to a multicultural, multiracial society. I know that when I look at today’s Mexicans and Central Americans, they seem to me fundamentally the same as my grandparents seeking a better life in America.


On the other side, however, open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global.


So Democrats have mixed feelings about immigration; in fact, it’s an agonizing issue.


Republicans, on the other hand, either love immigration or hate it. The business-friendly wing of the party likes inexpensive workers (and would really enjoy a huge guest-worker program that would both provide such workers and ensure that they can neither vote nor, in practice, unionize). But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil.


So immigration is an issue that divides Republicans one from another, not within each individual’s heart.


For a long time the GOP was essentially run by business interests, with the cultural right taken for a ride; in 2004 Bush ran as the nation’s defender against gay married terrorists, then announced that the election gave him a mandate to … privatize Social Security.


But what the Tea Party really signifies, I think, is that the business interests have lost control, that the base, with its fears about the Other, has escaped from guidance. And the sudden immigration outburst is part of that phenomenon.


Democrats think this gives them an opening. I’m unclear about that, at least for 2010. But yes, in the long run you have to think that if the GOP becomes the party of angry white men, unleashed — as opposed to angry white men harnessed to the business elite — it will have a poor future.
 
Can we PLEASE stop calling it "immigration" and call it what it is? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

There is a DISTINCT difference-- No Republican I know of, is opposed to LEGAL immigration. I can't speak for Democrats, but I would think most of them would be okay with LEGAL immigration to America, since that is how most of us got here.

It grates my nerves to hear people say "the immigration problem" as if someone is opposed to people coming to America legally. I am sure there are millions of legal immigrants who are now under the false impression that Republicans are opposed to them being here, and it is all because of fucktards like you, who can't add the word "ILLEGAL" to the front of it. Do ya think that could be possible, while you are blathering your idiocy, or is it asking too much?
 
Can we PLEASE stop calling it "immigration" and call it what it is? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

There is a DISTINCT difference-- No Republican I know of, is opposed to LEGAL immigration. I can't speak for Democrats, but I would think most of them would be okay with LEGAL immigration to America, since that is how most of us got here.

It grates my nerves to hear people say "the immigration problem" as if someone is opposed to people coming to America legally. I am sure there are millions of legal immigrants who are now under the false impression that Republicans are opposed to them being here, and it is all because of fucktards like you, who can't add the word "ILLEGAL" to the front of it. Do ya think that could be possible, while you are blathering your idiocy, or is it asking too much?

I want all immigrants to be legalized and for the legal immigration line to be drastically streamlined and for all artificial quotas to be removed.
 
krugman is a fucking idiot

Republicans, on the other hand, either love immigration or hate it. The business-friendly wing of the party likes inexpensive workers (and would really enjoy a huge guest-worker program that would both provide such workers and ensure that they can neither vote nor, in practice, unionize). But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil.

his take on republicans and immigration is nothing short of partisan lies and race baiting bullshit...he paints the conservative as basically nazis while painting the democratic stance on the issue as loving beneficient gods

krugman deserves to have his nobel prize rescinded
 
krugman is a fucking idiot



his take on republicans and immigration is nothing short of partisan lies and race baiting bullshit...he paints the conservative as basically nazis while painting the democratic stance on the issue as loving beneficient gods

krugman deserves to have his nobel prize rescinded

Krugman deserves all the nobel prizes that go to anyone for the rest of his life.
 
Krugman deserves all the nobel prizes that go to anyone for the rest of his life.

ok, thanks for proving the prize is an absolute joke

his rant piece is pure bullshit watermark, even you should call him on his uber partisan take on the respective parties....
 
I want all immigrants to be legalized and for the legal immigration line to be drastically streamlined and for all artificial quotas to be removed.

I want people to obey our fucking laws! Is it fair that some people came to this country, went through the process of obtaining a green card, studied to become American citizens, and did everything they were supposed to do legally to become citizens, while others disobeyed and broke the law, and crossed our borders without so much as a background check? Why the hell would you want to bestow citizenship on people who willingly broke the law as their first action here? That's just pure insanity, but of course, look who I am talking to!
 
I want all immigrants to be legalized and for the legal immigration line to be drastically streamlined and for all artificial quotas to be removed.

You just said, "On the other side, however, open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global."

So which is it....

Oh, I have it...why don't you and each one in you family adapt a Mexican or two and feed them, buy them clothes, and pay for their medical problems, etc. and you can ease you bleeding heart....
You can surely fit 4 or 5 to each room in your house and a few in the garage....give me your address and I'll see they get to your door.
 
I want people to obey our fucking laws! Is it fair that some people came to this country, went through the process of obtaining a green card, studied to become American citizens, and did everything they were supposed to do legally to become citizens, while others disobeyed and broke the law, and crossed our borders without so much as a background check?

Two wrongs don't make a right. I want immigration to be much easier.
 
:rolleyes:

fox has opinion shows too :pke:

seriously, you should call him out for his extreme and untrue partisan views here

Fox's "news" segments with Megyn Kelly seriously blur the line. They are not objective using any sense of the word.

I don't really think Krugman's opinions are that extreme, at least not compared to the mind-numbing things you see on the right, like Limbaugh, and all the conservatives who basically want all liberals dead.
 
Give the kid a break...you shouldn't pick on people whose stupidity is that obvious....just humor the lad.:palm:

NAH.
It's best he learn it now, before he's allowed out in public; because if he spews this shit then, he might just get a mudhole stomped in his ass.
 
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