Department of education.

Tbird19482 said:
And with the large increase in people being diagnosed with Autism in the last 20/30 years it will hurt them big time.
Back in the early 1980s it was 1 child in 27,000 had it now it is less then one in 42. ( if not higher I haven't kept up with the figures )
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You're right. It's already a serious problem. My four-year-old g-son has been diagnosed as being on the spectrum. My daughter/son-in-law (who is a teacher) have been struggling to find help for him *before* he starts formal schooling, which won't be till next year due to his late b-day. And they live in a state (Vermont) consistently ranked high in terms of quality public school education. It's both a lack of funding and a shortage of qualified sped teachers. With all the DOGE nonsense and budget cuts to education overall, it is only going to get worse. If necessary we'll help them pay for out-of-school extra tutoring/behavioral help but a lot of ppl don't have families able to do that.
 
Tbird19482 said:
It is now 1 in every 36 kids get Autism.


It is now one in every 36 kids are being diagnosed with Autism.
www.cdc.gov

Data and Statistics on Autism Spectrum Disorder

Summary and table of prevalence of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in United States children and adol
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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And why is that? Actually Think about it... Do you really believe that one in every thirty six children are autistic?
 
Tbird19482 said:
It is now 1 in every 36 kids get Autism.


It is now one in every 36 kids are being diagnosed with Autism.
www.cdc.gov

Data and Statistics on Autism Spectrum Disorder

Summary and table of prevalence of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in United States children and adol
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
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And so who does the #TangerineTyrant appoint to head HHS? A mentally-disturbed anti-vax weirdo who believes vaccines cause autism. They do not. The apparent rise in diagnoses is because the definitions and standards for spectrum disorder have changed, plus screening is being done earlier and earlier. I have no doubt that my husband and I would have both been diagnosed as being on the spectrum if they had been aware of and tested for neurodivergence back when we were kids.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
The map shows what a patchwork of nonstandard educational schemes the country has going. Thanks.

From my own experience and from talking with the various educators in our family, the problem seems to be not teachers not teaching correctly, but lack of parental involvement. How can we fix that? It is definitely worse in low income families than in middle and upper middle class families.
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I have found that teenagers can't read time on a clock that has hands on it.
And some of them don't understand math, and from what I see IMO they should go back and teach it the way they did years ago.
And IMO standardized education standards would bring up the education level in some of the lower ranking states.
I don't think it could hurt.
 
Tbird19482 said:
I have found that teenagers can't read time on a clock that has hands on it.
And some of them don't understand math, and from what I see IMO they should go back and teach it the way they did years ago.
And IMO standardized education standards would bring up the education level in some of the lower ranking states.
I don't think it could hurt.
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It won't hurt. Have standards for each grade based on the decades of data we already possess. For example, by fourth grade the kids should be able to read, comprehend, and re-write simple 4th-grade level stories. They should be able to tell time on an analog clock. They should be able to do multiplication and long division and have some understanding of fractions and decimals. They should be able to recite basic facts about U.S. history and that of other nations, and be able to find at least the larger nations on a map or globe. They should be familiar with the scientific method and be able to draw a passable rendition of the solar system, understand how evolution works at a basic level, and use basic weights and measures in both English and metric systems. If they do not pass standardized testing on these subjects, then they will need to take them in summer school, or repeat that grade if they are that far behind.
 
Tbird19482 said:
I have found that teenagers can't read time on a clock that has hands on it.
And some of them don't understand math, and from what I see IMO they should go back and teach it the way they did years ago.
And IMO standardized education standards would bring up the education level in some of the lower ranking states.
I don't think it could hurt.
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Read what you just said... Back to basics and that's what this is going to be all about... Stop testing kids for Every little behavior that's irritating or annoying to the parent or the teacher at that time...and then plopping a label on them That is going to follow them for life... And possibly the medication to go along with it... Standardized tests are the reason that half the kids are in special ed right now anyway... When they don't pass them , they get referred for evaluation and bam..
Look at the ridiculous increase in numbers in general for special ed .....it's out of control... Try to remember what special edge was created for... And that was not a dumping ground..
 
TOP said:
And why is that? Actually Think about it... Do you really believe that one in every thirty six children are autistic?
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Yes I do.
Having a child with it that was diagnose years ago , back when they had very little knowledge on the subject and watching the way they have learned to diagnose it .
Back when my son was diagnosed it was 1 in 27000, from what I saw they didn't know much about it back then, in fact it was an intern that spoke up and told a group of about 12 DRs that he had just been studying Autism and this was a classic case of it, then the DRs started reading about it and said YES he had it,and since then they have improved the ways they diagnose it .
 
TOP said:
Read what you just said... Back to basics and that's what this is going to be all about... Stop testing kids for Every little behavior that's irritating or annoying to the parent or the teacher at that time...and then plopping a label on them That is going to follow them for life... And possibly the medication to go along with it... Standardized tests are the reason that half the kids are in special ed right now anyway... When they don't pass them , they get referred for evaluation and bam..
Look at the ridiculous increase in numbers in general for special ed it's out of control... Try to remember what special edge was created for... And that was not a dumping ground..
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OH so YOU want to just walk away from these kids just because it might make a teachers job a little harder?
Most of the time now they already know a child has Autism way before they get in school and should be setting up an educational plan for them. Not walk away from them like you want to do.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You're right. It's already a serious problem. My four-year-old g-son has been diagnosed as being on the spectrum. My daughter/son-in-law (who is a teacher) have been struggling to find help for him *before* he starts formal schooling, which won't be till next year due to his late b-day. And they live in a state (Vermont) consistently ranked high in terms of quality public school education. It's both a lack of funding and a shortage of qualified sped teachers. With all the DOGE nonsense and budget cuts to education overall, it is only going to get worse. If necessary we'll help them pay for out-of-school extra tutoring/behavioral help but a lot of ppl don't have families able to do that.
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:magagrin:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And so who does the #TangerineTyrant appoint to head HHS? A mentally-disturbed anti-vax weirdo who believes vaccines cause autism. They do not. The apparent rise in diagnoses is because the definitions and standards for spectrum disorder have changed, plus screening is being done earlier and earlier. I have no doubt that my husband and I would have both been diagnosed as being on the spectrum if they had been aware of and tested for neurodivergence back when we were kids.
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:magagrin:
 
Tbird19482 said:
OH so YOU want to just walk away from these kids just because it might make a teachers job a little harder?
Most of the time now they already know a child has Autism way before they get in school and should be setting up an educational plan for them. Not walk away from them like you want to do.
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That's the point.. no one wants to walk away. They just want to teach. Stop mislabeling children... For being
children especially that young...
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It won't hurt. Have standards for each grade based on the decades of data we already possess. For example, by fourth grade the kids should be able to read, comprehend, and re-write simple 4th-grade level stories. They should be able to tell time on an analog clock. They should be able to do multiplication and long division and have some understanding of fractions and decimals. They should be able to recite basic facts about U.S. history and that of other nations, and be able to find at least the larger nations on a map or globe. They should be familiar with the scientific method and be able to draw a passable rendition of the solar system, understand how evolution works at a basic level, and use basic weights and measures in both English and metric systems. If they do not pass standardized testing on these subjects, then they will need to take them in summer school, or repeat that grade if they are that far behind.
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IMO one of the first things they should do ( and some school districts are doing it finally ) Take their Cell phones away during school. If there is an emergency and their parents have to get a hold of them they can call the school and they can get a hold of them .
 
You realize you're making a great case for getting rid of the department of education... Let schools go back to what they were meant to be... With the kids the top Priority... And support for making that happen....When teachers realize that they can actually go in to a school and teach You'll see more dedicated educators go into teaching ... Think about your own education... Who were your best teachers? and why? Today's schools need change and they need change now... And the great teachers that we do have now are going to be the happiest people ever...
 
Tbird19482 said:
OH why is that? they have BETTER ways to diagnose kids for Autism and other problems?
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Do you think one out of every thirty six children are autistic... Seriously... Are those ways "better" or are there just more ways created so that they can label them? (I had students in my classroom that never should have been in specialed... And this was middle school and high school so they had been mislabeled years prior to that...)
 
Tbird19482 said:
IMO one of the first things they should do ( and some school districts are doing it finally ) Take their Cell phones away during school. If there is an emergency and their parents have to get a hold of them they can call the school and they can get a hold of them .
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Absolutely agree. We need to help parents get more involved too. If they see no value in education their kids won't either. How could we accomplish that? A "prize" for the classrooms that have the most parents show up for parent-teacher conferences, like extra recess or a room party or free books or a movie-and-popcorn afternoon?
 
Tbird19482 said:
Yes I do.
Having a child with it that was diagnose years ago , back when they had very little knowledge on the subject and watching the way they have learned to diagnose it .
Back when my son was diagnosed it was 1 in 27000, from what I saw they didn't know much about it back then, in fact it was an intern that spoke up and told a group of about 12 DRs that he had just been studying Autism and this was a classic case of it, then the DRs started reading about it and said YES he had it,and since then they have improved the ways they diagnose it .
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So hard on both him and your family. How is he doing now? Was he able to get special resources to have help him?
 
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