Is agnosticism a cop-out?

[IBDaMann]

Is agnosticism a cop-out?​

The claim of being "agnostic" is always a cop-out when made within the context of one's beliefs.

Agnosticism is a position on what is knowable.

 

[IBDaMann]

Can't one simply be too indifferent about a subject
to hold an unprejudiced opinion?

Indifference to all theism makes one an atheist and makes his claim of agnosticism a cop-out.

 

[IBDaMann]

Bullshit. I am agnostic on many questions.

You are many things, e.g. a liar, a devout worshiper of the goddess "Climate", a supporter of killing living humans who have not committed any crime, an undereducated leftist, etc...

 

[IBDaMann]

No. Agnostics are just indecisive.

Nope. You should learn what an agnostic actually is.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Makes sense. Sounds to me like what you’re saying is a so-called atheist can’t prove there is no god and a fundamentalist can’t prove there is one. So basically everyone is an I Don’t Knower.

Basically, on the question of whether any gods exist or not, EVERYONE IS AN "I DON'T KNOWER."

 

[IBDaMann]

Makes sense. Sounds to me like what you’re saying is a so-called atheist can’t prove there is no god and a fundamentalist can’t prove there is one. So basically everyone is an I Don’t Knower.

Actually, no. An atheist is someone who lacks any theism and is specified by what he doesn't believe, i.e. any theism. Anyone professing an affirmative theistic belief, which can be that deities exist or that no deities exist, is specified by what he affirmatively believes theistically and is precluded from being an atheist.

I am an atheist. I do not believe there is any deity and I do not believe there are no deities. I don't have any affirmative theistic beliefs, hence atheism.

 

[IBDaMann]

Basically, on the question of whether any gods exist or not, EVERYONE IS AN "I DON'T KNOWER."

... and that is totally irrelevant to what one believes or doesn't believe.

 

[IBDaMann]

eat shit fascism lover.

You tell him, you owner of morality, you.

 

[ZenMode]

You want me to repeat my post??

Richard Dawkins is not an atheist. He is a believer in the Church of No God, a fundamentalist style religion. They often try to call themselves 'atheists', but they are fundamentalists.

An atheist has NO religion. He doesn't care whether any god or gods exist or not.
Science is atheistic. It doesn't care whether any god or gods exist or not.
Same with mathematics. Same with logic.

ANY claim on whether any god or gods exist or not is a circular argument. By itself that is not a fallacy. The other name for the circular argument is the Argument of Faith. All religions, even the Church of No God, depends on faith.

Attempting to PROVE a circular argument TRUE or FALSE is the Circular Argument fallacy. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist or not. Attempting such a proof is what a fundamentalist does.

You clearly don't know what it means to be atheist. You clearly don't know what The term religion means. You don't get to speak for Dawkins.

Those are a few of the fails in your post.

 

[Neoclitorus]

You tell him, you owner of morality, you.

ok jackboot corporatist.



there's more to being a good person than getting Israel right.

 

[Neoclitorus]

You clearly don't know what it means to be atheist. You clearly don't know what The term religion means. You don't get to speak for Dawkins.

Those are a few of the fails in your post.

yeah. sometimes ITG ANd Ibda-man become joined at the brain and commensurately retarded.

 

[Neoclitorus]

You tell him, you owner of morality, you.

the constituion is a government document, don't forget that, anarcho-syndicalist fag.

 

[IBDaMann]

ok jackboot corporatist.
there's more to being a good person than getting Israel right.

If your point is that you, as the owner of morality, declare me to be a bad person ... I suppose I can live with that.

 

[IBDaMann]

the constituion is a government document, don't forget that, anarcho-syndicalist fag.

Nope. The Constitution is owned by the States. Only the States can change it; the government can't touch it.

 

[IBDaMann]

You clearly don't know what it means to be atheist. You clearly don't know what The term religion means. You don't get to speak for Dawkins.

Those are a few of the fails in your post.

Your post is an epic fail. You still haven't gotten anything right.

 

[Uncensored2008]

eat shit fascism lover.

I don't love you or the democrat party - you are unrequited.

 

[Neoclitorus]

I don't love you or the democrat party - you are unrequited.

there's plenty of fascism on the right too.

most of the right supports supply side economics, which is code for molding government to suit the purposes of large coporations because they're the "doers" and the ""job creators" and everyone else is a lesser being.

while simulataneously supporting no bid contracts and infinite black budgets because they're not communists oh hell no.

fascism is the union and state of corporate power.

 

[Neoclitorus]

fiat currency printed up to genocide the world, and placed on the backs of the next victims.

think of the horror of this state of affairs.

 

[Uncensored2008]

there's plenty of fascism on the right too.

most of the right supports supply side economics, which is code for molding government to suit the purposes of large coporations because they're the "doers" and the ""job creators" and everyone else is a lesser being.

while simulataneously supporting no bid contracts and infinite black budgets because they're not communists oh hell no.

fascism is the union and state of corporate power.

Your ignorance is deep - you must be a democrat.

 

[Uncensored2008]

fiat currency printed up to genocide the world, and placed on the backs of the next victims.

think of the horror of this state of affairs.

So, you're @dancindave

That makes sense.