The AZ illegals just got screwed

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Because it would have been a nightmare for the courts. That's not going to streamline anything you, idiot. Do you know what kind of resources would be required to prosecute these newly created crimes? I hate to say it, but Rudy, again, was correct on this. But, then he is not one of the Republicans living under a rock. The attempts to criminalize illegal presence are about "streamlining" GOP propaganda to reality. It's just a political stunt. It's passage would do nothing but clog the courts and bog down the enforcement of immigration laws.

Fuck you to idiot.

Different people can have different opinions, but only assholes don't understand this.

Steamlining the proccess of removing illegals would not tie up the courts. Everyone here illegally would be subject to the same laws and no investigation into their staus would be neccesary. You either have current documentation or you don't.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

This has been going on long before the new immigration law. We've had this problem on the SD border for years. Look at Texas and all the problems they have had over the years.

17 suspected illegal immigrants nabbed in search for suspected smugglers who shot Ariz. deputy
05-01-2010 10:40 AM MST *By BOB CHRISTIE, Associated Press Writer
Law officers have apprehended 17 suspected illegal immigrants while hunting for suspected smugglers who shot and wounded a sheriff's deputy in a remote desert area 50 miles south of Phoenix.

Pinal County sheriff's Lt. Tamatha Villar says three of those captured match descriptions given by the deputy. They were being questioned Saturday morning.

The violent episode came amid nationwide debate over the state's tough new immigration law.



Deputy Louie Puroll was patrolling alone Friday afternoon near Interstate 8 when he came upon a stash of marijuana bales and five suspected smugglers. Villar says the smugglers opened fire with AK-47 type rifles, and Puroll returned fire.

The wounded deputy radioed for help, setting off a frantic hour-long search before he was located

 

[zappasguitar]

Fuck you to idiot.

Different people can have different opinions, but only assholes don't understand this.

Steamlining the proccess of removing illegals would not tie up the courts. Everyone here illegally would be subject to the same laws and no investigation into their staus would be neccesary. You either have current documentation or you don't.

Where exactly is "idiot", and how long will it take you to fuck him "to" there?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Of course it is. Criminal proceedings have a greater burden of proof and are therefore are a greater burden on resources. You did not know this?

It will be the same proof that the deportation Judge would require:
Are they here illegally
1. Yes - Deportation
2. No - Charges dismissed

The truth of the matter is; that these will probably be decided sooner in a civil court, then would be before a deportation judge.

 

[Timshel]

Fuck you to idiot.

Different people can have different opinions, but only assholes don't understand this.

Steamlining the proccess of removing illegals would not tie up the courts. Everyone here illegally would be subject to the same laws and no investigation into their staus would be neccesary. You either have current documentation or you don't.

Nothing can be streamlined by adding to the burden of the state. It can only make their case more difficult by criminalizing illegal presence. The attempt to criminalize illegal presence has nothing to do with streamlining the process. It is intended to bring the law into compliance with inaccurate GOP propaganda. They don't want to give up their ability to dehumanize immigrants with a label of criminal, even though the educated ones (not the toothless morons on this board) know it is factually incorrect. Instead of changing the propaganda they change the facts.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Nothing can be streamlined by adding to the burden of the state. It can only make their case more difficult by criminalizing illegal presence. The attempt to criminalize illegal presence has nothing to do with streamlining the process. It is intended to bring the law into compliance with inaccurate GOP propaganda. They don't want to give up their ability to dehumanize immigrants with a label of criminal, even though the educated ones (not the toothless morons on this board) know it is factually incorrect. Instead of changing the propaganda they change the facts.

So you're now saying that prosecuting this will cause a greater burden then ignoring it??

 

[Timshel]

So you're now saying that prosecuting this will cause a greater burden then ignoring it??

No. Prosecuting it will be a greater burden than bringing a civil suit. You don't even need the defendant to be present for a civil suit. They can just order him deported and pick him up whenever they get around to it. And that is sufficient to bar future entry.

For a criminal proceeding he has a right to face his accusers and will have legal representation, possibly, provided by the state as well as a host of other rights.

You are fucking stupid if you think this will not create a greater burden.

 

[ironhead]

The perfect analogy (and somewhat ironic in this case) is the excessive costs of the War on Drugs. Only the State could continue to rob people blindly to pay for a war that creates far more problems than it solves and costs far more than it is worth.

Criminalization of drugs is nothing more than failed attempts at social control which increase the cost of drugs, empower violent criminals to control the market, curtail liberties of all involved and line the pockets of the State for the pet project of a few. Criminalization of human beings (as in the case of AZ) is virtually the same thing. Undocumented immigrants will continue to find ways to outsmart the State, whilst police harass, arrest, and maybe even kill innocent people in the process, costing $$$$$$.

Well done.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No. Prosecuting it will be a greater burden than bringing a civil suit. You don't even need the defendant to be present for a civil suit. They can just order him deported and pick him up whenever they get around to it. And that is sufficient to bar future entry.

For a criminal proceeding he has a right to face his accusers and will have legal representation, possibly, provided by the state as well as a host of other rights.

You are fucking stupid if you think this will not create a greater burden.

"...pick him up whenever they get around to it."

Now you're the one that looks stupid, if you truly believe that it's that easy.

What about the BURDEN they put on our Hospitals, accident victims (seeing as how many of them don't carry insurance), etc.

 

[Good Luck]

All the talk about illegal alien vs criminal is ignoring additional information. The term "undocumented alien" refers specifically to a foreign born national who entered into the U.S. illegally (hence, no documents). People who enter legally, but overstay their visas are documented aliens - other wise they would have no visa to expire.

Hence, while all "illegal" aliens are not technically criminal due to expired visas being a civil matter, all undocumented aliens ARE criminal because the act of entering into the U.S. illegally is a crime - a felony to be specific.

However, the case that started this thread is of another issue entirely anyway. Calling the perp an "undocumented alien" is like adding a speeding to the charges against a bank robber after a high speed chase. The case involves drug runners. Most drug runners don't stay around long enough to become a statistic in the whole illegal immigration issue - they drop off their "product" and scoot back for more. They are also 1000 times (at least!) more likely to be armed and get violent if challenged by BPs or other LEOs.

 

[Canceled2]

Nothing can be streamlined by adding to the burden of the state. It can only make their case more difficult by criminalizing illegal presence. The attempt to criminalize illegal presence has nothing to do with streamlining the process. It is intended to bring the law into compliance with inaccurate GOP propaganda. They don't want to give up their ability to dehumanize immigrants with a label of criminal, even though the educated ones (not the toothless morons on this board) know it is factually incorrect. Instead of changing the propaganda they change the facts.

Oh spare us the drama~~~

Streamiling the law would have the benefit of putting anyone here illegally on the same footing saving law enforcement the burden of having to determine who's got expired visas, green cards, work permits etc. If the idiots have a year and a half to get their fucking papers straight after they have expired then NO ONE is being unfairly punished! What would be a fucking cavalier idea is if all these illegals would fucking stay in Mexico and fight their own government for change instead of ours!

 

[Timshel]

Oh spare us the drama~~~

Streamiling the law would have the benefit of putting anyone here illegally on the same footing saving law enforcement the burden of having to determine who's got expired visas, green cards, work permits etc. If the idiots have a year and a half to get their fucking papers straight after they have expired then NO ONE is being unfairly punished! What would be a fucking cavalier idea is if all these illegals would fucking stay in Mexico and fight their own government for change instead of ours!

Incoherent and ignorant.

What? How are they going to determine their legal presence without checking if their documents are valid or expired? You are making no sense.

Adding to the burden of the state's prosecution of illegal presence is not streamlining. It is the antithesis of it.

 

[Canceled2]

Incoherent and ignorant.

What? How are they going to determine their legal presence without checking if their documents are valid or expired? You are making no sense.

Adding to the burden of the state's prosecution of illegal presence is not streamlining. It is the antithesis of it.

If they don't have current valid documentation then they are here illegally and are to be treated like any other illegal. This means that they could face criminal penalties....like DUH!

This also means that no one has to check and see if in fact they entered legaly or illegally...like double DUH again

Most illegals who have entered our country illegally are merely deported and not charged....like tripple DUH again

Those that are charged are usually connected to other crimminal activity...I won't say it again


Is more DUH in order???

 

[Timshel]

If they don't have current valid documentation then they are here illegally and are to be treated like any other illegal. This means that they could face criminal penalties....like DUH!

And would receive the legal rights of those accused of a crime. You still have to verify their legal right to be here. What is streamlined?

This also means that no one has to check and see if in fact they entered legaly or illegally...like double DUH again

That does not have to be checked now. If you are illegally present you can be deported whether you entered legally or not.

Most illegals who have entered our country illegally are merely deported and not charged....like tripple DUH again

Those that are charged are usually connected to other crimminal activity...I won't say it again


Is more DUH in order???

All you got is duh, dumfuck. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Those prosecuted for illegal entry create a burden on the system as they must be afforded greater protections. It is necessary in order to punish the habitual offender. Throwing all those here illegally in jail would create a huge strain on resources. It's better just to deport them which we can do without a criminal proceeding. If they do it again then we go to the trouble of trying and jailing them.

The policy is what it is not in the interest of being soft on illegal immigrants, as you retards seem to think. It is setup this to ease the burden on the state.

Again, Rudy explained what a disaster such a policy would be. But, he knows the topic, unlike the toothless idiot Republicans that post here.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

And would receive the legal rights of those accused of a crime. You still have to verify their legal right to be here. What is streamlined?



That does not have to be checked now. If you are illegally present you can be deported whether you entered legally or not.



All you got is duh, dumfuck. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Those prosecuted for illegal entry create a burden on the system as they must be afforded greater protections. It is necessary in order to punish the habitual offender. Throwing all those here illegally in jail would create a huge strain on resources. It's better just to deport them which we can do without a criminal proceeding. If they do it again then we go to the trouble of trying and jailing them.

The policy is what it is not in the interest of being soft on illegal immigrants, as you retards seem to think. It is setup this to ease the burden on the state.

Again, Rudy explained what a disaster such a policy would be. But, he knows the topic, unlike the toothless idiot Republicans that post here.

i agree, it is a burden on the system, they should simply be deported. why do they deserve "greater" protections though? greater than what? your rights, my rights?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Which is the a-typical attitude of a lot of people when dealing with the issue of illegal aliens. Bravo's subject title reflects the PMP attitude....which is one of the major reasons why getting a rational debate on the issue is so difficult.

No; see Prophet ascribed the "barrel" theory, only to Police Officers.

I stand corrected.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
But not all illegals are criminals....they are just guilty of entering the country illegally and working under the radar and/or with false credentials.

They became criminals when they crossed the boarder. Then add fraudulent use of birth certificates, driver's licenses, etc. Yes, they are criminals.


8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

You've just wasted time stating the obvious. Check out the following, as it will hopefully clear things up

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643576&postcount=29

 

[Taichiliberal]

/grins.....you're starting to sound like MSNBC.....

Here's how I explained it to Bravo

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643576&postcount=29

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I forgot I can't speak in general terms around you, as you get easily confused and take everything literally.

Let me dumb it down for you: not all illegal aliens from Mexico cross the border to start/continue a life of crime.....the majority illegally enter the country to take good jobs to build a better life for themselves and/or send money home to relatives. Mind you, THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND THEREFORE ARE GUILTY OF THAT CRIME ALONE. But they are not dope dealers or B & E artists, etc.

Hope this clears things up for you.

A large number of the illegal immigrants in this country did not enter illegally but overstayed. The latter is not a crime. And it makes the illegal immigrant no more a criminal than a parking violation would.

This is true....as a New Yorker, I can't tell you the number of people from various countries that meet the criteria you just described.....Spain, Russia, England, Japan, Sweden, etc., etc.

Now if you instituted the new Arizona law in Manhattan, you'd have cops bringing Times Square to a stand still! Wild stuff!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
But not all illegals are criminals....they are just guilty of entering the country illegally and working under the radar and/or with false credentials.

Just think how stupid a person has to be to write this

"But not all illegals are criminals"

How can you take a person with this mindset seriously?

Go read a dictionary, Taichi

Here's how I explained it to Bravo:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=643576&postcount=29