Obama passing the buck?

[Onceler]

you need to get your facts straight on brown's hire history...he was confirmed by the senate, he was also deputy director before he was the head of fema and he was hired by joe allbaugh as general counsel before that...and it was chertoff that put him in charge of katrina

you've dishonestly portrayed his hire history in this thread

Sure; and if the Senate didn't confirm him, you'd be screaming about what obstructionist Bush-haters they were.

He was Bush's choice - a crony, to a vital position. Not the first time he did that either. And that's the history of it; good luck making the argument that Brownie was a good choice to head FEMA, or better yet, that Bush wasn't really responsible for him being there!

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Eh; say whatever you want. The history books are written on Katrina, the verdict is in, and your version didn't make the cut. Bush was slow to respond publicly, assured them beforehand that they were ready for anything, and appointed a horse trainer to the HEAD OF FEMA, because he was an ol' pal.

I can't think of an incident in Presidential history that so fully embodies the defining characteristic of a given administration: in Bush's case, incompetence. The man was in way over his head, from day 1.

No, the incompetence is with this administration. JHC, it took Janet Napolitano one week to come to the conclusion that this was of national significance.

 

[zappasguitar]

No, the incompetence is with this administration. JHC, it took Janet Napolitano one week to come to the conclusion that this was of national significance.

There's that patented Tutu "I know you are, but what am I" defense.

It's a CRUSHER every time!

 

[Canceled2]

Well it is good to know that Obama responded to the Haiti earthquake but there is a significant difference between that and when Katrina........OBAMA ISN"T THE HEAD OF STATE OF HAITI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look, there's probably on a handful of wingnuts who can't shake their head at Bush's perforamance of complete incompetence over Katrina. Even Wallmart out performed him and it would have been excusable had their ineptitude lasted a day or two with a slow response but IT WENT ON FOR WEEKS!!!!!

Only a moron of the first magnitude could make this comparison. Do ya'll have any idea how badly you're being laughed at. Ya'll are simply pathetic if you're so hatefull of Obama that you're making this comparison.

Is it safe to assume that when the next US soldier gets killed in Iraq you're going to blame Obama for the Iraq fiasco? Oh you guys are funny.

What leftist dimwits do is try and make Bush out to be incompetent with regards to Katrina. The main failure of Katrina rests with the the liberal leaders of LA who refused to evacuate their people when BUSH ADVISED that they do so!!!

Bush was on the ground in the flood zones asap. Let's see, Obama, is waiting 12 days after this disaster to do a fly over, Bush took 2. The comparison to Haiti still stands...Of course it was more important to cram health care down our throats then to give a fist hand visit of encouragement to the Haitian's...

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Well, Obama is going to do a fly-over within 48 hours. He must have gotten the hint.

Oh, I forgot to tell you in case you hadn't heard.

"We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money." Barack Obama, aka, BO.

Marxist????


But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy.

 

[Onceler]

"What leftist dimwits do is try and make Bush out to be incompetent with regards to Katrina"

Because he was, ID. Because he was.

I'm really surprised at how deep some of the hackery here is. Even many Republicans acknowledge that Katrina was one of Bush's worst moments.

 

[zappasguitar]

"What leftist dimwits do is try and make Bush out to be incompetent with regards to Katrina"

Because he was, ID. Because he was.

I'm really surprised at how deep some of the hackery here is. Even many Republicans acknowledge that Katrina was one of Bush's worst moments.

But you forget.

You are dealing with TuTu, and her hackery knows no bounds.

 

[Topspin]

Obama is a tool on several issues. His hypocrisy on income bieng one. I'm sure when he was a community organizer he would have thought 5 mill was past the too much point. Yet the tool didn't give it back though.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Obama is a tool on several issues. His hypocrisy on income bieng one. I'm sure when he was a community organizer he would have thought 5 mill was past the too much point. Yet the tool didn't give it back though.

Obama gets in trouble when he doesn't use his teleprompter.

 

[Canceled2]

"What leftist dimwits do is try and make Bush out to be incompetent with regards to Katrina"

Because he was, ID. Because he was.

I'm really surprised at how deep some of the hackery here is. Even many Republicans acknowledge that Katrina was one of Bush's worst moments.

You're the hack and all those who make Katrina about Bush being incompetent! Bush issued the State of Emergency. Nagin had the reports issued a year before by FEMA of how much time was needed for a mandatory evacuation of New Orlean`s. He gave himslef only 20 hours that is less than half the time the reports said would be neccesary! FEMA had moblized rescue efforts asap in the aftermath. It's amazing how Bush is incompetent when he did everything according to protocol. It was the governor and mayor who failed their citizens.

 

[Onceler]

You're the hack and all those who make Katrina about Bush being incompetent! Bush issued the State of Emergency. Nagin had the reports issued a year before by FEMA of how much time was needed for a mandatory evacuation of New Orlean`s. He gave himslef only 20 hours that is less than half the time the reports said would be neccesary! FEMA had moblized rescue efforts asap in the aftermath. It's amazing how Bush is incompetent when he did everything according to protocol. It was the governor and mayor who failed their citizens.

That's not how history has it, ID.

No one really argues that the local authorities didn't blow it as well. But Bush, the self-proclaimed "leaderrr", was asleep at the wheel. Katrina has become synonymous w/ Bush's incompetence.

You realize that at some level, which is why you're desperately trying to create some parallel w/ Obama & the current situation. Doesn't apply, though...

 

[Canceled2]

That's not how history has it, ID.

No one really argues that the local authorities didn't blow it as well. But Bush, the self-proclaimed "leaderrr", was asleep at the wheel. Katrina has become synonymous w/ Bush's incompetence.

You realize that at some level, which is why you're desperately trying to create some parallel w/ Obama & the current situation. Doesn't apply, though...

OK, onceler, be specific on what exactly Bush did or did not do with regards to Katrina? Please lay out his role and duty requirements as president with regards to the Katrina disaster and how he failed to do them. Remember BE SPECIFIC~~~

 

[Onceler]

OK, onceler, be specific on what exactly Bush did or did not do with regards to Katrina? Please lay out his role and duty requirements as president with regards to the Katrina disaster and how he failed to do them. Remember BE SPECIFIC~~~

I have been specific. You're just ignoring it.

1) 2 days before the hurricane hit, Bush assured LA that the Federal government was ready for any contingency, no matter how severe.

2) People waded in the streets of NO for days before Bush saw fit to even issue a public statement on the matter. No one is ever rewriting that history for me; there was a sense of chaos. Once again, in a big moment, Bush disappeared (My Pet Goat, anyone?)

3) Most egregiously, he appointed a former stallion trainer to head up the government's most vital emergency response mechanism, FEMA. It was classic Bush cronyism; his Presidency was practically defined by it. And it cost him, New Orleans & America dearly.

I know you'd prefer to not have Bush be accountable for anything that happened in his admin, but there it is.

Now - show me mistakes Obama has made in this crisis that are similar. BE SPECIFIC.

 

[Canceled2]

I have been specific. You're just ignoring it.

1) 2 days before the hurricane hit, Bush assured LA that the Federal government was ready for any contingency, no matter how severe.

Here is what Bush did in accordance with federal law when a governor requests a State of Emergency be declared~~ note to onceler he DID EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

2) People waded in the streets of NO for days before Bush saw fit to even issue a public statement on the matter. No one is ever rewriting that history for me; there was a sense of chaos. Once again, in a big moment, Bush disappeared (My Pet Goat, anyone?)

Bush issued a public statement the next morning while in San Diego Ca. while at a scheduled tribute for V-Day. Apart from staying apprised by Chertoff what was he supposed to do? Again, please be specific.

3) Most egregiously, he appointed a former stallion trainer to head up the government's most vital emergency response mechanism, FEMA. It was classic Bush cronyism; his Presidency was practically defined by it. And it cost him, New Orleans & America dearly.

Brown holds a degree in public administration and political science as well as a law degree; he was also employed as the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association. Katrina was the first disaster of such proportions to ever test the ability of muti-coordinated agencies within DHS. Again, local authorities not only failed to act for their citizens, but in the aftermath made it difficult for federal aid to arrive and even denied Red Cross entrance for several days. This might be news to ya oncler but there were actually laws preventing the feds from just marching in!

I know you'd prefer to not have Bush be accountable for anything that happened in his admin, but there it is.

Stupid statement especially in light of you NOT coming up with any specific failure that Bush commited with regards to Katrina. Pointing fingers at Brown is as close as you got, and yet Brown's supposed incompetence was not what I asked you for. Again, onceler; What was the required role of the president in this disaster and how did he fail that role...Now come on, first the role...then the failure...you can do it.

Now - show me mistakes Obama has made in this crisis that are similar. BE SPECIFIC.

He waited 11 days to take it seriously.

 

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so nagin and blanco were responsible for nothing onceler? many of things you blame bush for are their responsibility, not the federal governments...nagin should have evacuated, should have had the buses ready, blanco didn't declare a state emergency until later...

and, like i said, chertoff put brown in charge of katrina and brown was APPROVED by both democrats and republicans

 

[Onceler]

so nagin and blanco were responsible for nothing onceler? many of things you blame bush for are their responsibility, not the federal governments...nagin should have evacuated, should have had the buses ready, blanco didn't declare a state emergency until later...

and, like i said, chertoff put brown in charge of katrina and brown was APPROVED by both democrats and republicans

Yeah - that's why I said the local authorities blew it as well, that Nagin was woeful, and have repeatedly said on this thread & after the crisis exactly that.

It's like debating with a bunch of kindergartners. You guys are so terrified of actually giving Bush accountability for anything; that's the only thing that is clear in your arguments.

This isn't even something I have to dispute: Katrina is a black eye for that admin. Republicans admit to that. It was one of Bush's worst moments.

 

[Onceler]

ID, you talk about the "required role of a President." How can you not see that Bush choked? He was in Crawford, and didn't want to cut his time short there. No one disputes that leadership was lacking (at best) during that crisis.

What a bunch of apologists...

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yeah - that's why I said the local authorities blew it as well, that Nagin was woeful, and have repeatedly said on this thread & after the crisis exactly that.

It's like debating with a bunch of kindergartners. You guys are so terrified of actually giving Bush accountability for anything; that's the only thing that is clear in your arguments.

This isn't even something I have to dispute: Katrina is a black eye for that admin. Republicans admit to that. It was one of Bush's worst moments.

i can tell you're getting desperate again because out comes the dishonesty...i've repeatedly said bush made mistakes there...

you have to admit onceler, blanco and nagin pretty much got a free ride for all their fuck ups there and bush basically got ALL the blame....

'bush hates black people'

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

ID, you talk about the "required role of a President." How can you not see that Bush choked? He was in Crawford, and didn't want to cut his time short there. No one disputes that leadership was lacking (at best) during that crisis.

What a bunch of apologists...

lol...couldn't address her points could you

 

[Canceled2]

ID, you talk about the "required role of a President." How can you not see that Bush choked? He was in Crawford, and didn't want to cut his time short there. No one disputes that leadership was lacking (at best) during that crisis.

What a bunch of apologists...

Yeah, if you are going to say he was incompetent in his role you have an obligation to know what that role was and how he was incompetent in it. He was on vacation at Crawford when Blanco asked him to issue a State of Emergency...he did so immediately. His vacation consisted of speaking engagements in CA. He cut his so called vacation short and went immediately back to DC via a fly-over of the ravaged area when he was apprised of situation.

So again, what was his role as president and where/how was he incompetent in it?