Jimmy Carter's Christian foreign policy

Cypress said:
Good. Given how frequently right-wingers like to parade around with their supposedly pious Christian credentials, I was hoping a MAGA moron would admit that trying to live out a New Testament ethos is both wimpy and pointless.

Please explain how the Camp David Accords, which has prevented another major regional regional Arab-Israeli war from breaking out for 50 years, is a failure and a disaster.

Please show your proof that the United States could have forced the Iranians to keep the Shah. The Shah was almost universally hated in Iran, the uprising against him was widely supported, and I would like to see your proof the US could have forced Iran to keep the Shah.

Central America has been ground zero for authoritarian dictatorships for two centuries. Did FOX tell you to believe central America only became unstable between the years 1977 to 1980?

Carter had a mixed bag on foreign policy, but I would say it was neither disastrous nor exemplary.
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Nothing dumber than a hate filled, lying leftist who thinks boys beating girls in girls sports, killing babies up until the time of birth and defends Hamas terrorists, lecturing about morality.

You people are not merely stupid and massive hypocrites but lack any self-awareness.

What is "moral" about the Democratic Party of Lying Jackasses?
 
EdwinA said:
I think it's interesting that nobody wants to admit Reagan just copied his policies and right wingers suddenly proclaim the same policies 'great' when Reagan copied them. Reagan did add his own twists, though, like negotiating with terrorists selling guns to Iranian terrorists and operating a major dope smuggling ring from the White House, then suddenly losing his memory n stuff, the latter being a popular pastime for people facing major felony charges, like mobsters and Biden. AT least Carter didn't have to resort to such a silly gimmick.
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Reagan didn't copy Carters policies dumbass. :palm:
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s the thing about history, people living it in the present don’t have all the facts. History exams the facts and things like Carter’s Presidency are then determined to be better than perceived at the time.
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Cypress said:
Ever since the Camp David Accords, there has never again been a major regional Arab-Israeli war in 50 years.
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Really? What about the 1982 Lebanon war? Or how about the 2006 second Lebanon war? Or the current Gaza Hamas war?

What did result from the accords is the assassination of their leader Anwar Sadat.

Cypress said:
There were four major regional Arab-Israeli wars in the 25 years between 1948-1973.
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....and many others since.

Cypress said:
Taking Egypt off the map would ensure no more major regional wars, and Carter knew it.
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Indeed, all kinds of peace over there:

Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990)
Yemeni War (1979)
First Persian Gulf War (1980-1988)
Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)
Israeli-Lebanese Border War (1984-2000)
South Yemen Civil War (1986)
The First Intifada (Dec. 1987-1993)
Second Persian Gulf War (1990-1991)
Yemeni Civil War (1994)
The Second Intifada (Sept. 2000-2005)
Third Persian Gulf War (2003-2011)
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Cypress said:
No one has ever demonstrated to me how leftist governments in Latin America were a threat to the people of the United States. Self determination is a principle I adhere to short of any direct threats to the USA.
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I am amused that you believe the Communist efforts in the Caribbean and South America was about self determination. Where do you come up with such moronic bullshit?

Cuba wasn't about "self-determination." Is Cuba better off now? What about those peaceful Sandinistas? They were all about self determination right?

It's not about anyone demonstrating history to you, it's about your willful ignorance about it and buffoonish efforts to re-write it as being about self-determination.

Cypress said:
You have no adequate explanation for how the United States could have forced the Iranians to keep the Shah.
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We didn't need to "force" anything. We just needed to strongly support him. But hey, in idiot land, aren't the Persians so much better off today without a shah? Dunce.

Cypress said:
He was a dead man walking who had little popular support, and was widely hated.
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That is an OPINION. Yes, he had his detractors, as did King Abdullah of Jordan, al-Assad of Syria etc etc etc....but he could have held onto power and prevented the awful hegemony Islamic extremists wrought.

How about NOT allowing Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to return from exile in France? That would have been a smart move.
 
Truth Detector said:
Reagan didn't copy Carters policies dumbass. :palm:
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Yes, he did. Deregulation, capital gains cuts, busted unions, advocated building up the Navy, appointed Volcker to the Fed. Volcker made Reagan look good his first term, and then Reagan fired him and replaced him with the crook Greenspan after Volcker reduced the rate of inflation..

Like I said earlier, Reagan did put his own mark on the Presidency with a fraudulent real estate bubble, selling arms to terrorists and running a major dope smuggling ring from the White House. pf course the Party propaganda demands all the GOP Thought Police wet themselves and parrot the usual bullshit over Saint Ronald Of Reagan, but that doesn't mean squat to me, I know what he was. I did do okay in the crash his corrupt policies created, though; houses got really cheap and lots of halfwits running around blaming the Democrats for their idiot house buying fiascoes. And also typical was all these 'conservatives' running away from their loans and not paying them after the market tumbled. Not much real character in the right wing when it comes to honoring business deals.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
And in doing so, created a series of foreign policy disasters that echo negatively for the US to this day.

Better to deal with the dictator you know than replace him with one you haven't got a clue about. Each time Carter sided with replacing an in-place dictator, the replacement was far worse both for the people of that nation, and for the US.

Carter destabilized Central America, the Middle East, and even much of Asia. He emboldened the Soviet Union, and if anything, contributed to world political instability.
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Actually those halfwits destabilized themselves. The Soviet Union was well on its way to collapse by 1973; it was the U.S. and France feeding them and trying to prevent total anarchy in the Soviet Union, and of course only idiots believe Central America was capable of anything but dictatorships and gangsters ruling the place when left to themselves, as we can easily see even today. Mexico has lost control of over a third of its land area to vicious feral drug cartels now, despite the U.S. building them up and shipping them a big chunk of its production.
 
EdwinA said:
Actually those halfwits destabilized themselves. The Soviet Union was well on its way to collapse by 1973; it was the U.S. and France feeding them and trying to prevent total anarchy in the Soviet Union, and of course only idiots believe Central America was capable of anything but dictatorships and gangsters ruling the place when left to themselves, as we can easily see even today. Mexico has lost control of over a third of its land area to vicious feral drug cartels now, despite the U.S. building them up and shipping them a big chunk of its production.
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I have been told that over the last 4 years we have through NGO's paid the cartels $1000 a head for the people the Regime imported.
 
EdwinA said:
Yes, he did. Deregulation, capital gains cuts, busted unions, advocated building up the Navy, appointed Volcker to the Fed. Volcker made Reagan look good his first term, and then Reagan fired him and replaced him with the crook Greenspan after Volcker reduced the rate of inflation..
Like I said earlier, Reagan did put his own mark on the Presidency with a fraudulent real estate bubble, selling arms to terrorists and running a major dope smuggling ring from the White House. pf course the Party propaganda demands all the GOP Thought Police wet themselves and parrot the usual bullshit over Saint Ronald Of Reagan, but that doesn't mean squat to me, I know what he was. I did do okay in the crash his corrupt policies created, though; houses got really cheap and lots of halfwits running around blaming the Democrats for their idiot house buying fiascoes. And also typical was all these 'conservatives' running away from their loans and not paying them after the market tumbled. Not much real character in the right wing when it comes to honoring business deals.
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EdwinA said:
Actually those halfwits destabilized themselves. The Soviet Union was well on its way to collapse by 1973; it was the U.S. and France feeding them and trying to prevent total anarchy in the Soviet Union, and of course only idiots believe Central America was capable of anything but dictatorships and gangsters ruling the place when left to themselves, as we can easily see even today. Mexico has lost control of over a third of its land area to vicious feral drug cartels now, despite the U.S. building them up and shipping them a big chunk of its production.
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Daylight63 said:
I am mad at you for calling me "Stalin" just because I don't believe as you do.
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I'd be surprised if you could find a post of me calling you personally Stalin.

That's really funny, because that's the exact same grievance your other sock puppets had: Perry the PhD, Kafka, Obtenebrator.
 
Cypress said:
I'd be surprised if you could find a post of me calling you personally Stalin.

That's really funny, because that's the exact same grievance your other sock puppets had: Perry the PhD, Kafka, Obtenebrator.
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Really? Oh, then you'll be able to show me one of these posts. I can't find anyone named "Perry" or "percy" on here.

Please, do show me! I would love to meet this person if they exist. (I hope you aren't hallucinating like your friend Doc who flies to heaven on the regular)
 
Daylight63 said:
Really? Oh, then you'll be able to show me one of these posts. I can't find anyone named "Perry" or "percy" on here.

Please, do show me! I would love to meet this person if they exist. (I hope you aren't hallucinating like your friend Doc who flies to heaven on the regular)
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Okay Perry, so you have no examples of me actually calling you a Stalinist
 
Cypress said:
Okay Perry, so you have no examples of me actually calling you a Stalinist
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You know what I'm talking about. Your dishonesty is noted. I will find one of the many times in which you have compared my position to that of Stalin. Of course at no point did you use the phrase "YOU ARE STALIN", but you get the point.

Your obtuseness is one thing, but this level of mendacity is quite another.

You spent months on here telling me I'm someone else that I can't find on this forum. Yet you claim that person exists. I can't trust you anymore on anything you claim.

Your mendacity and obtuseness are simply too much. And the fact that you somehow seem to think you have a corner on "morality" is fascinating.
 
Cypress said:
I know that all of your other sock puppets had the exact same grievances about me, even though you claim to not have socks.
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LOL. my "other socks"....literally NONE OF WHICH YOU CAN SHOW ME.

Seriously dude, you spend all day making accusations that you never back up. Are you some kind of pussy?

What is your problem? If something is real you would have no problem showing us the evidence.

Wow.

You know, keep this up and people are just going to assume you are a lying sack of shit.

Put up or shut up, Clancy.
 
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