What gives that impression. The problem is they think church TRADITION can be more important than the Bible itself. They have got it backwards. Bible > Tradition not Tradition > Bible.
Papal front runners. If the Black guy becomes the next pope, white Republicans will scream DEI till their buttholes explode
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Yakuda
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Incorrect. No where does the bible teach the Bible is greater than tradition.
And priests are just fallible men. If you think the Pope is not fallible why did he kill protestants by the tens of thousands during the inquisition?
Where does it teach tradition is greater than the Word of God.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Again, we do not think that.
"Protestants claim the Bible is the only rule of faith, meaning that it contains all of the material one needs for theology and that this material is sufficiently clear that one does not need apostolic tradition or the Church’s magisterium (teaching authority) to help one understand it...
Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the true “rule of faith”—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.
"In the Second Vatican Council’s document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: “The Word of God”), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: “Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity God’s word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
“Thus, by the light of the Spirit of truth, these successors can in their preaching preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known. Consequently it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence.”
Scripture and Tradition
Protestants claim the Bible is the only rule of faith. Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the Bible does not endorse this view.
Yakuda
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The Catholic Church doesn't teach that it does, unless you can cite a Catholic source that teaches that it does.
If tradition disagrees with the word of God then tradition is wrong.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,“The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever” (Isaiah 40:8). “I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
Yakuda
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You have been so bamboozled.
christiefan915
Catalyst
The Church teaches that the Pope is infallible in teaching scripture only, and even that belief was only "codified" in 1870. It had a lot to do with the politics of the time and I don't hold that opinion myself, which some would claim makes me a cafeteria Catholic.
The Inquisition Tribunal was started by Ferdinand and Isabella, not the Pope.
That describes a lot of Churches.
Yakuda
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None of that says the Bible is the sole rule of faith except when you people say it does. it's so funny to watch you guys.
The switch from the 7th day Sabbath to the use of Sunday observance for on. Sprinkling instead of immersion is another.
Here are a FEW there are many more.
Now a quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sidney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”
The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”
To point up the claims we’re talking about, I want to read from two Catechisms. First, from the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”
Then from Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”
One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”
Yakuda
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I agree, every non catholic Christian denomination. Don't you love it when we agree?
Probably because the god both Catholics and Protestants worship...
...dictated that was what should happen.
The god of Abraham is not a very nice god.
Jesus seemed to me to be a decent person...someone worthy of love, affection...and someone worth emulating.
Awful lot of Christian types who do not do that at all.,,both Catholic and Protestant.
Again God's word endures forever. The Catholic Church believes it can change God's word. If the Catholic Church differs from God's word then the Catholic Church is wrong. The Catholic Church traditions are different from the God's Word in the 4th Commandment. It's not the 4th Optional its the 4th Commandments.
christiefan915
Catalyst
christiefan915
Catalyst
The Catholic Church does NOT believe it can change God's word. I don't know what religion you follow that promotes such lying. You don't have to like, believe, follow, participate etc. in Catholicism but lying about the teachings is really low.
Yes it does and it has been talked about in the Bible. In the Bible a pure church is symbolized by a purse woman clothed in white robes. And an impure Church is symbolized by a whore who is the mother of other harlots. The Whore (impure church) is decked out in scarlet and purple.
Revelation 17:
5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Yeah, I'm laughing in a kind of sad way at @FastLane's inarticulate "I'm right and the entire RC Church is wrong" diarrhea of the keyboard. That one is a good example, like the OP and other MAGAT commenters. They don't have a clue how to comport themselves as Jesus taught. They are also not following the evangelicals' supposed Jesus-given duty to bring others to Christ by being an example of all that is good in that religion. This kind of judgmental superior adversarial attitude does just the opposite, eh?