Papal front runners. If the Black guy becomes the next pope, white Republicans will scream DEI till their buttholes explode

Guno צְבִי said:
The phrase "Torah on one foot" refers to the Golden Rule in Judaism, summarized by the Talmudic saying: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man". This principle is also known as Hillel's teaching, and is a concise way to express the entirety of the Torah's moral teachings.

Elaboration:
  • The Story:

  • The Talmud tells the story of a gentile who came to Shammai requesting a quickie McConversion to Judaism. He asked to be taught the entire Torah while standing on one foot. Shammai had no patience for the ridiculous and disrespectful request and chased him out of the study hall.

    Undaunted, the fellow then proceeded to visit Shammai's colleague, Hillel with the same request. Hillel instructed him, "Whatever is hateful and distasteful to you, do not do to your fellow man. This is the entire Torah, the rest is commentary. Go learn."
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Ok. Jesus said focus on that

You people decided to keep all the dumb shit
 
Guno צְבִי said:
We don't care about your sabbath , non Christians were never required to keep the Jewish Sabbath , What we do mind is over 2000 years of hate and attacks by people who stole our scripture and twisted the meanings along with pogroms. Thankfully Christianity has by and large been defanged and declawed by the enlightenment.
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No it hasn't.
Meanwhile .... Judaism is universally reviled for being a race cult that has to use censorship to maintain its tenuous grasp on others.
 
Damocles said:
Honestly we had Scope Creep on this one. It is well beyond the original scope. That it travelled so far from the original intent tells me that most folks do not care about who becomes Pope. I haven't even seen one of the folks that supposedly might care if he is black on here talking about that.
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His race, nationality or color don't matter one bit to me. I just don't want an ultra-conservative.
 
christiefan915 said:
His race, nationality or color don't matter one bit to me. I just don't want an ultra-conservative.
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I'd probably care if I were a Catholic. I just hope whoever it is takes the child abuse seriously. No kid should have the representative of God in their life doing that, regardless of the religion. Pope is a figurehead to me, and other than interest that I have in pretty much all religions and sects of religions I have no dog in this fight.

Curiosity is all I have, and their color wouldn't bother me... ever. Being a bit brown myself tends to make your worldview a bit different on that, though I do believe in the "melting pot" over the side that thinks braids and tattoos are "cultural appropriation" and tries to tell me I shouldn't learn how to cook Asian food, etc. due to "cultural appropriation"...
 
christiefan915 said:
The Arians and Cathars were heretics. They went against the Church teachings. Let's put it that they quit the church, the church didn't quit them.
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Not a scholar on the subject, but that's not the way I remember it. :)

IIRC, the entire split was over the divinity of Christ and the concept of the Trinity. Those who didn't agree were declared heretics and often murdered.
 
Damocles said:
Which? What culture do you think we should follow? Is their own society or culture in the minority something that would count? What makes your idea of culture better than theirs?
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We're not talking about me, it was a hypothetical. At that point the discussion was about pedo priests.

Fast Lane asked me didn't I expect priests to be better than average about not abusing children. And my response was to ask don't you expect any religious leader, not just priests, to be better than average? Then you said "By whose measures?" And I responded that our culture or society decided sexual abuse of minors is so egregious that people who are ordained and preach about not sinning should practice what they preach.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Not a scholar on the subject, but that's not the way I remember it. :)

IIRC, the entire split was over the divinity of Christ and the concept of the Trinity. Those who didn't agree were declared heretics and often murdered.
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Well, yeah. Trinity was a tenet of Christianity and Arians challenged that and broke away from the church, so were considered to be heretics.

Cathars believed there were two Gods, the good one and the evil one. They had some other anti-Church beliefs that weren't taught in Christianity so they were considered heretics also.
 
christiefan915 said:
Well, yeah. Trinity was a tenet of Christianity and Arians challenged that and broke away from the church, so were considered to be heretics.

Cathars believed there were two Gods, the good one and the evil one. They had some other anti-Church beliefs that weren't taught in Christianity so they were considered heretics also.
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IIRC, the trinity didn't come about until the 3rd Century based upon obscure concepts from carefully selected books to compose the canonized Bible.

en.wikipedia.org

Trinity - Wikipedia

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Dutch Uncle said:
IIRC, the trinity didn't come about until the 3rd Century based upon obscure concepts from carefully selected books to compose the canonized Bible.

en.wikipedia.org

Trinity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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The "Comma Johanneum," also known as the Johannine Comma, is a disputed passage in the Bible found in 1 John 5:7-8, specifically the phrase "for there are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one". It is a short clause that appears in some but not all early Greek manuscripts and is a point of contention among scholars regarding its authenticity.

Here's a more detailed look:
    • What it is:
      The Johannine Comma is a phrase added to some versions of the Bible, particularly in the King James Version, in 1 John 5:7-8.
    • The debate:
      The authenticity of the Comma is debated. Some scholars believe it was an addition, possibly a gloss or an insertion by later copyists, while others believe it was originally part of the text.
    • Manuscript evidence:
      While the phrase appears in some Greek manuscripts and later translations like the King James Version, it is not found in all early manuscripts, says a post on Reddit.
    • Impact on belief:
      The Comma is sometimes used to support the doctrine of the Trinity, but its inclusion is not universally accepted among scholars, says a post on Reddit.
    • Why the debate?
      The debate stems from textual criticism, the study of ancient manuscripts to determine the original text of the Bible. Scholars weigh factors like manuscript evidence, theological considerations, and the style of the author to assess the authenticity of the passage.
 
AProudLefty said:
The "Comma Johanneum," also known as the Johannine Comma, is a disputed passage in the Bible found in 1 John 5:7-8, specifically the phrase "for there are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one". It is a short clause that appears in some but not all early Greek manuscripts and is a point of contention among scholars regarding its authenticity.

Here's a more detailed look:
    • What it is:
      The Johannine Comma is a phrase added to some versions of the Bible, particularly in the King James Version, in 1 John 5:7-8.
    • The debate:
      The authenticity of the Comma is debated. Some scholars believe it was an addition, possibly a gloss or an insertion by later copyists, while others believe it was originally part of the text.
    • Manuscript evidence:
      While the phrase appears in some Greek manuscripts and later translations like the King James Version, it is not found in all early manuscripts, says a post on Reddit.
    • Impact on belief:
      The Comma is sometimes used to support the doctrine of the Trinity, but its inclusion is not universally accepted among scholars, says a post on Reddit.
    • Why the debate?
      The debate stems from textual criticism, the study of ancient manuscripts to determine the original text of the Bible. Scholars weigh factors like manuscript evidence, theological considerations, and the style of the author to assess the authenticity of the passage.
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The Gospel of John was written sometime between 70 and 90 AD and is the most mystical of the Gospels. No doubt Paul's efforts to build cohesion into the neophyte Christian religion influenced it.

Not all Christians believe in the Trinity: https://www.learnreligions.com/faith-groups-that-reject-trinity-doctrine-700367

9 Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity​


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Christians Who Don't Believe in the Trinity: Rediscovering Biblical

Discover the foundations of Non Trinitarian Christianity and uncover biblical insights that challenge mainstream doctrines. Rediscover timeless truths today.
alc.net.au

Not all Christians believe Jesus was divine: https://www.ligonier.org/posts/jesus-divine-30-evangelicals-say-no

Is Jesus Divine? 30% of “Evangelicals” Say No.​

In my previous post I talked about Jewish Christians of the early centuries who held to an “adoptionistic” view of Christ, the view that he was not by nature divine but was a human being who at some point came to be adopted to be God’s son. This view was held by other groups as well (and still is); one that we know of from ancient sources comes not from Jewish but gentile circles. This was a group known as the Theodotians, named after their founder, a shoemaker who happened also to be an amateur theologian, named Theodotus. Since they were centered in Rome, scholars sometimes refer to this group as the Roman Adoptionists.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The Gospel of John was written sometime between 70 and 90 AD and is the most mystical of the Gospels. No doubt Paul's efforts to build cohesion into the neophyte Christian religion influenced it.

Not all Christians believe in the Trinity: https://www.learnreligions.com/faith-groups-that-reject-trinity-doctrine-700367

9 Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity​


alc.net.au

Christians Who Don't Believe in the Trinity: Rediscovering Biblical

Discover the foundations of Non Trinitarian Christianity and uncover biblical insights that challenge mainstream doctrines. Rediscover timeless truths today.
alc.net.au

Not all Christians believe Jesus was divine: https://www.ligonier.org/posts/jesus-divine-30-evangelicals-say-no

Is Jesus Divine? 30% of “Evangelicals” Say No.​

In my previous post I talked about Jewish Christians of the early centuries who held to an “adoptionistic” view of Christ, the view that he was not by nature divine but was a human being who at some point came to be adopted to be God’s son. This view was held by other groups as well (and still is); one that we know of from ancient sources comes not from Jewish but gentile circles. This was a group known as the Theodotians, named after their founder, a shoemaker who happened also to be an amateur theologian, named Theodotus. Since they were centered in Rome, scholars sometimes refer to this group as the Roman Adoptionists.
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The Christian celebration of Holy Week brings with it increased anti-Semitic comments, threats, and violence, and it has for over two thousand years.​

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The term “the Jews” (hoi Ioudaoi in the original Greek) occurs almost 70 times in the Gospel of John. Not every instance is actively hostile; in the Passion story, for instance, Jesus describes the synagogue as a place where “the Jews” gather. But 29 times, including 11 within the 82 verses of the passion story, we see the term used specifically for those who want to do away with Jesus and his followers. So, in Chapter 19: “[Pilate] said to the Jews, ‘Here is your King!’ They cried out, ‘Away with him! Away with him! Crucify him!” (Jn 19:15).
 
Guno צְבִי said:

The Christian celebration of Holy Week brings with it increased anti-Semitic comments, threats, and violence, and it has for over two thousand years.​

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The term “the Jews” (hoi Ioudaoi in the original Greek) occurs almost 70 times in the Gospel of John. Not every instance is actively hostile; in the Passion story, for instance, Jesus describes the synagogue as a place where “the Jews” gather. But 29 times, including 11 within the 82 verses of the passion story, we see the term used specifically for those who want to do away with Jesus and his followers. So, in Chapter 19: “[Pilate] said to the Jews, ‘Here is your King!’ They cried out, ‘Away with him! Away with him! Crucify him!” (Jn 19:15).
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I fail to see how someone can honestly say they are following the path of Jesus by spreading hate against other human beings.
 
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