Obama is Clueless

ZappasGuitar said:
You saw how the HCR vote shook out on party lines, right?

You going to try and tell me not a ONE Republican wanted to vote for it?

You look me in the eye (figuratively) and tell me they weren't doing their party's bidding instead.
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good lord, so when all the dems voted party line, they weren't doing their party's bidding...your hypocrisy and hackmanship are stellar

there were a few repubs for the h/c bill in the beginning, when obama and the dems screwed it up, they starting dropping their support, but to a partisan like you, you just can't accept the fact that anyone can think for themselves and not agree with obama or your liberal agenda
 
Yurt said:
:palm:

you don't know there is zero until the vote hits the floor...you obviously have no idea of the political process and how many times people change their vote once it hits the floor...
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Yes, in this instance, you do. You can pretend otherwise if you want, but I ain't buying it.

Yurt said:
what is totally stupid about this is, obama didn't give up on h/c when he lacked the votes, he pushed through a crap bill because nothing else mattered to him
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The health care bill passed the Senate with 60 Democratic votes before Scott Brown won. Now, there aren't 60 Democratic votes and Obama can't create 60 Democratic votes through pure force of will.

Yurt said:
but, once again, we have obama and his merry band of apologists blaming the GOP for his failures
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It's reality. Your basic argument that reality is an apologist for Obama.
 
Apparently, Obama is working on the Republicans to try to find a replacement for Huckleberry Graham and ol' Huckleberry's fee-fees are hurted:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) assailed President Barack Obama’s attempts to find other Republican senators willing to support immigration reform this year, calling the effort a “raw display of partisanship.”

“I wonder if the president is reaching out to Democratic senators too?” Graham said in a statement provided to POLITICO. “I believe there are at least a double-digit number of Democratic senators who would not support comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship today.”

Graham has been one of the lead Republican negotiators on immigration, but has not been in the middle of the White House outreach, and was venting his frustration.

He went on to list nine Democratic senators he believed wouldn’t support immigration reform: Jim Webb (Va.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Max Baucus (Mont.), Robert Byrd (W.Va.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Byron Dorgan (N.D.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), and Jeff Bingaman (N.M.).

“They did not support comprehensive immigration reform in 2007, but have supported stronger border security,” Graham said. “There is just not the appetite — on either side of the aisle — for this issue right now.”

Two others — Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Kent Conrad (N.D.) — support toughening border security first, Graham said.

Graham walked away from negotiations with Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) on the immigration bill after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made clear he would push to move the legislation this year.

Graham’s move prompted the White House to reach out to other Republicans who might support moving reform. The White House’s top five Republican senators are Richard Lugar (Ind.), George LeMieux (Fla.), Judd Gregg (N.H.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Scott Brown (Mass.), POLITICO reported Tuesday.

The push is likely to be an uphill battle—moving any bill that includes a path to citizenship for the millions of undocumented workers already in the country is a political minefield, particularly in an election year.

Yet there are potential political benefits for Reid, who faces a tough reelection fight in Nevada and whose fate could depend on Latino turnout in November.

Graham also was critical of the majority leader.

“It is incredibly disappointing that our Democratic colleagues brought this issue up for apparent partisan gain just months before an election,” Graham said. “This raw display of partisanship just makes it more difficult to address this very serious problem in the future.”
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36815.html#ixzz0n5bWl1rj
 
Yurt said:
good lord, so when all the dems voted party line, they weren't doing their party's bidding...your hypocrisy and hackmanship are stellar

there were a few repubs for the h/c bill in the beginning, when obama and the dems screwed it up, they starting dropping their support, but to a partisan like you, you just can't accept the fact that anyone can think for themselves and not agree with obama or your liberal agenda
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Focus like a laserbeam sunshine...I was talking about the Republicans. You want to talk Dems holding the party line, start a new thread.

So there were some Republicans for Obama's HCR? You can name them, right?
 
cawacko said:
I actually really like this author. He's written for years on immigration and Hispanic issues. I don't always agree with him but he's not a partisan ideologue so I respect what he has to say. And as even Paul Krugman acknowledged immigration isn't one of those black & white Republican/Democrat, left/right issues. There are different factions within each group.
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True, he isn't a partisan hack. He is well respected around here.
 
Yurt said:
good lord, so when all the dems voted party line, they weren't doing their party's bidding...your hypocrisy and hackmanship are stellar

there were a few repubs for the h/c bill in the beginning, when obama and the dems screwed it up, they starting dropping their support, but to a partisan like you, you just can't accept the fact that anyone can think for themselves and not agree with obama or your liberal agenda
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Bottom line, the majority of the voters don't like this bill.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Focus like a laserbeam sunshine...I was talking about the Republicans. You want to talk Dems holding the party line, start a new thread.

So there were some Republicans for Obama's HCR? You can name them, right?
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snowe was one...

and if you can't handle someone calling you on your intellectual dishonesty, then stop posting as i don't want you to your wittle feelings hurt
 
tinfoil said:
I have to keep my drivers license with me at all times when I expect to be identified. Banking, purchasing products.

what so damn hard about having ID?

You are a hack
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Zippy always talks out of both sides of his mouth. If you don't have an ID on you, that's your problem. I find it to be necessary for many things. It's pathetic how the left is spinning this.
 
Yurt said:
snowe was one...

and if you can't handle someone calling you on your intellectual dishonesty, then stop posting as i don't want you to your wittle feelings hurt
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Snowe CONSIDERED backing the bill but said no...so that's one you got wrong.
 
Yurt said:
you are being dishonest, even reid at one point said that he had moderate republicans that he could count on his fingers to support democratic ideas on the bill
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I've gone back through last August and the closest I can find to any Republican supporting the bill is Senator Snowe saying she was CONSIDERING supporitng it.

If you've got some other names, fire away.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You forgot the tagline under the main headline:

"The GOP Senator Said, However, She May or May Not Vote for Health Care Reform by the Time it Reaches the Senate Floor"
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who cares, you're splitting hairs on nonsense, it doesn't take away from my claim, you're just spinning like hurricane with no place to go
 
TuTu Monroe said:
Zippy always talks out of both sides of his mouth. If you don't have an ID on you, that's your problem. I find it to be necessary for many things. It's pathetic how the left is spinning this.
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Many things, indeed! I found that out when I was much younger. After a night of bar-hopping and finally having a gal taking pity and agreeing to accompany me I learned even the sleaziest of motels required proper ID. :(
 
NigelTufnel said:
Yeah, I meant "not."

I would also note that in 2007 and 2008 there was actually cause for some optimism that a bipartisan immigration bill could pass the Senate quite easily. In 2006 you had 23 Republicans vote for a bill that was co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy and John McCain. In 2007 you had 12 Republicans vote for a slightly more conservative bill. But in 2010 you have zero. Lindsay Graham flirted with co-sponsoring a bill for a while but has since demurred. And the reason why Republicans aren't going to help out the Democrats on this issue is fairly obvious.
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Noli nothis permittere te terere!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!

Look at the hateful Rightie trying desperately to convince Latinos that they should be listening to the party that demands they carry their parers with them at all times...

How's that working out for ya, eh Cathy Cut-n-Paste?
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Hey Zappy or lovegodlesstex, are you one of those Latinos that are carrying their parers with them at all times? I guess you never know when you might get an apple thrown at you by a lefty demonstrator and you will be able to adeptly catch the apple and pare it. Good planning lovegodlesstex.
 
Yurt said:
who cares, you're splitting hairs on nonsense, it doesn't take away from my claim, you're just spinning like hurricane with no place to go
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Splitting hairs? Zappa is being accurate and you're not. Snowe didn't support the bill. Voting to release a bill from a committee for consideration on the floor is not a vote in support of a piece of legislation.

Case in point, Barney Frank, who you claim single-handedly blocked reform of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac voted "in favor" of the regulatory reform bill at the committee that you claim he blocked. According to your interpretation of Snowe's committee vote, you would have to say that Frank supported the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform bill. Is that your position?
 
nigel...seriously, how you are so clueless at times boggles the mind...and you are not one to talk about precise, let's not remember your embarrassing failure the other

she publicly stated she was for the public option, in the beginning she was in support of the bill....that is precise, that is the truth...it doesn't mean she supports the 'final' bill...she was supportive in the beginning of many of the dems initiatives and goals...just like i said
 
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