NATO Fraud Exposed: Europe Defenceless Without ‘US Cavalry’ | Scheerpost

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The article with the title of this thread was published today on Scheerpost, written by Kit Klarenberg, who I've come to think is quite good. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of his article:
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On April 23rd, Politico published an extraordinary article, “The US cavalry isn’t coming”, documenting in forensic detail the extent to which European defence planning and infrastructure has for decades been exclusively “built on the assumption of American support,” and “speeding American reinforcements to the frontlines.” Now, “the prospect of that not happening is throwing military mobility plans into disarray,” and the continent “stands alone” – defenceless, directionless, and bereft of solutions to the disastrous results of their prostration to US hegemony over many decades.

The article begins with a subpar stab at fantasy fiction, sketching a nightmare scenario that erupts during March 2030. “In the early spring mist”, a multi-pronged Russian attack commences against Lithuania and Poland, sending foreign soldiers posted there scrambling for cover, as “allied countries rush to respond.” But while Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the Nordics mobilise their militaries for the task, “there is one stark absence”:

“Leaders and soldiers alike look westward, to the ocean, hoping for the warships that have always come to Europe’s rescue over the past century. But the sea offers only silence. The Americans aren’t coming. Donald Trump’s second presidency has ended the United States’ commitment to European defense.”

Of course, Trump has not extricated Washington from NATO – yet. “But what happens if America abandons Europe?”, Politico reports, is a troubling question reverberating with ever-increasing urgency throughout Western corridors of power. The answer highlights an “uncomfortable reality” – “without US support, moving troops across Europe would be slower, costlier and hampered by a patchwork of logistical bottlenecks.” In the event of all-out war, these shortcomings “might not just be inefficient”, but “could be fatal”.


Politico goes on to paint a romantic portrait, evoking a Hollywood portrayal of the Normandy landings. It claims that since NATO’s 1949 founding, “one of the key roles of the alliance’s European members has been to resist an invasion while the US gathered its immense power and sent troops, equipment and supplies across the Atlantic to win the longer war.” The outlet notes numerous historic ports were structured to greet Europe’s American saviours, who would then “use roads and rail to head toward the fighting.”

However, “planners never envisioned a NATO without the US, and for decades, Europe’s military logistics have been built on the assumption of American support.” Much of the continent’s transport infrastructure has thus been “shaped by the expectation that US reinforcements would arrive from across the Atlantic,” and “both legacy and new military mobility projects rest on the premise that the Americans will come.” Of course, the obvious question of whether Washington ever intended to actually fulfil that “premise” is not asked by Politico.


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Presently, “the only body that arguably holds a full picture of military mobility in Europe” is NATO’s Joint Support and Enabling Command, situated in a German US military base, which “[oversees] routes, choke points and movement planning.” JSEC falls under the authority of NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe, a position always held by Americans, meaning all European military planning again ultimately “runs through Washington.” Politico reports the Trump administration is now “contemplating handing that role to a European for the first time” since NATO’s founding.

For Politico, this move “[underlines] America’s dwindling interest in European defense” – a testament to how “if the Americans don’t ultimately show up” in the event of a war, none of “the corridors, the ports, nor the meticulously crafted logistics” constructed to defend against Russian invasion “may stand a chance.” After all, “the ships and planes they count on could remain parked thousands of miles away.” The outlet concludes by cautioning:

“By investing heavily in a war strategy built on US support that may never materialize, Europe risks preparing for the wrong conflict.”

In a sense, NATO’s constantly growing membership has always been “preparing for the wrong conflict”. The “US cavalry” European countries have been promised for decades would come to their rescue in the event of war was, by design, never going to arrive. On April 24th, The Times quietly reported Britain was not only scrapping plans to deploy troops to Ukraine, but had “always” considered the risk of doing so “too high”, with her forces “inadequate for such a task.”

This followed months of bombastic, bellicose pronouncements from Keir Starmer. He variously declared himself “ready and willing to put British troops in Ukraine,” was prepared for them to remain there “indefinitely”, and would even commit fighter jets to policing the country’s skies. All these undertakings were contingent on US forces providing a “backstop”, which Washington repeatedly made clear wouldn’t happen. If other European leaders have likewise finally woken up to NATO’s reality, then perhaps their fantasies of keeping the conflict grinding on will likewise crumble.

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If Europe wanted to save themselves they would stop being Evil, stop being stupid....and make the best deal they can with DragonBear.
 
lol lots of drama here. Too bad it's mostly bullshit put out by Putinistas. They greatly fear NATO, and Putin's gangsterism only created a rush to join NATO, just the opposite of what the dim-witted pro-Russian sociopaths hoped would happen. Now the NATO members are actively working on a number of problems, not least is standardizing military hardware and missile defenses. The U.S. will be able to sell them lots of good stuff.
 
The article with the title of this thread was published today on Scheerpost, written by Kit Klarenberg, who I've come to think is quite good. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of his article:
**
On April 23rd, Politico published an extraordinary article, “The US cavalry isn’t coming”, documenting in forensic detail the extent to which European defence planning and infrastructure has for decades been exclusively “built on the assumption of American support,” and “speeding American reinforcements to the frontlines.” Now, “the prospect of that not happening is throwing military mobility plans into disarray,” and the continent “stands alone” – defenceless, directionless, and bereft of solutions to the disastrous results of their prostration to US hegemony over many decades.

The article begins with a subpar stab at fantasy fiction, sketching a nightmare scenario that erupts during March 2030. “In the early spring mist”, a multi-pronged Russian attack commences against Lithuania and Poland, sending foreign soldiers posted there scrambling for cover, as “allied countries rush to respond.” But while Britain, France, Germany, Italy and the Nordics mobilise their militaries for the task, “there is one stark absence”:

“Leaders and soldiers alike look westward, to the ocean, hoping for the warships that have always come to Europe’s rescue over the past century. But the sea offers only silence. The Americans aren’t coming. Donald Trump’s second presidency has ended the United States’ commitment to European defense.”

Of course, Trump has not extricated Washington from NATO – yet. “But what happens if America abandons Europe?”, Politico reports, is a troubling question reverberating with ever-increasing urgency throughout Western corridors of power. The answer highlights an “uncomfortable reality” – “without US support, moving troops across Europe would be slower, costlier and hampered by a patchwork of logistical bottlenecks.” In the event of all-out war, these shortcomings “might not just be inefficient”, but “could be fatal”.


Politico goes on to paint a romantic portrait, evoking a Hollywood portrayal of the Normandy landings. It claims that since NATO’s 1949 founding, “one of the key roles of the alliance’s European members has been to resist an invasion while the US gathered its immense power and sent troops, equipment and supplies across the Atlantic to win the longer war.” The outlet notes numerous historic ports were structured to greet Europe’s American saviours, who would then “use roads and rail to head toward the fighting.”

However, “planners never envisioned a NATO without the US, and for decades, Europe’s military logistics have been built on the assumption of American support.” Much of the continent’s transport infrastructure has thus been “shaped by the expectation that US reinforcements would arrive from across the Atlantic,” and “both legacy and new military mobility projects rest on the premise that the Americans will come.” Of course, the obvious question of whether Washington ever intended to actually fulfil that “premise” is not asked by Politico.


[snip]

Presently, “the only body that arguably holds a full picture of military mobility in Europe” is NATO’s Joint Support and Enabling Command, situated in a German US military base, which “[oversees] routes, choke points and movement planning.” JSEC falls under the authority of NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe, a position always held by Americans, meaning all European military planning again ultimately “runs through Washington.” Politico reports the Trump administration is now “contemplating handing that role to a European for the first time” since NATO’s founding.

For Politico, this move “[underlines] America’s dwindling interest in European defense” – a testament to how “if the Americans don’t ultimately show up” in the event of a war, none of “the corridors, the ports, nor the meticulously crafted logistics” constructed to defend against Russian invasion “may stand a chance.” After all, “the ships and planes they count on could remain parked thousands of miles away.” The outlet concludes by cautioning:



In a sense, NATO’s constantly growing membership has always been “preparing for the wrong conflict”. The “US cavalry” European countries have been promised for decades would come to their rescue in the event of war was, by design, never going to arrive. On April 24th, The Times quietly reported Britain was not only scrapping plans to deploy troops to Ukraine, but had “always” considered the risk of doing so “too high”, with her forces “inadequate for such a task.”

This followed months of bombastic, bellicose pronouncements from Keir Starmer. He variously declared himself “ready and willing to put British troops in Ukraine,” was prepared for them to remain there “indefinitely”, and would even commit fighter jets to policing the country’s skies. All these undertakings were contingent on US forces providing a “backstop”, which Washington repeatedly made clear wouldn’t happen. If other European leaders have likewise finally woken up to NATO’s reality, then perhaps their fantasies of keeping the conflict grinding on will likewise crumble.

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Quite frankly Europe has been dead weight around our neck for decades. They aren't partners of ours if they can't pull their own weight. How many European countries do you think would send troops here if America ever got invaded? Maybe Great Britain it after that I'm at a lose for who else might. Sorry but I don't hold Europe in high regard.
 
Quite frankly Europe has been dead weight around our neck for decades. They aren't partners of ours if they can't pull their own weight. How many European countries do you think would send troops here if America ever got invaded? Maybe Great Britain it after that I'm at a lose for who else might. Sorry but I don't hold Europe in high regard.

Well, we're seeing something of a turnaround in France, and a little in England. We'll see how far they go with it. France under De Gaulle was a bigger deterrent to the Soviets than we were re nuclear responses to a Soviet invasion, so was Britain; they never agreed to any restrictions on whether they would use first strikes as we did. We weren't even well equipped to stand off chemical attacks in the 60's and 70's. We weren't much of a deterrent on the ground.


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While there isn't a widespread, ongoing "revival" of Charles de Gaulle in the sense of his political party or ideology taking over the political landscape, his legacy continues to resonate in French politics. His influence is felt in how politicians discuss national sovereignty, defense, and the role of France on the world stage. Some contemporary political movements and parties draw inspiration from his ideas, particularly regarding French independence and national pride. However, a direct return to the political model of de Gaulle's time, like the Fifth Republic, seems unlikely, according to sources and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle}.


Here's a more detailed look:
  • Influence on National Sovereignty and Defense:
    de Gaulle's strong emphasis on French independence from the US and NATO, and his creation of a French nuclear deterrent, continue to be points of discussion in French foreign policy debates. Modern French leaders often echo his desire for a more independent and assertive France on the world stage.
  • Inspiration for Right-Wing and Nationalist Movements:
    While not directly adopting the RPF (Rassemblement du Peuple Français) model, some right-wing and nationalist movements in France draw inspiration from de Gaulle's ideas, particularly his emphasis on national unity and his vision of a strong, independent France.

  • Historical Significance:
    de Gaulle's legacy is also studied and discussed by political analysts and historians, who examine the impact of his leadership during a period of significant change in French history.



  • Limited Direct Political Resurgence:
    The political structures and social dynamics of modern France are different from de Gaulle's era. While his ideas continue to influence discourse, the direct return of his political party or the establishment of a new Fifth Republic-style regime is unlikely.

  • RE the latter that is probably more likely than it looks. A few more Islamo-vermin attacks will tip the scales a lot faster these days, even in Germany.
 
Quite frankly Europe has been dead weight around our neck for decades. They aren't partners of ours if they can't pull their own weight. How many European countries do you think would send troops here if America ever got invaded? Maybe Great Britain it after that I'm at a lose for who else might. Sorry but I don't hold Europe in high regard.
I agree that most European NATO nations aren't partners of the U.S., but rather its vassals. I suspect this is what past U.S. government Administrations preferred. Clearly, it's not what Trump prefers in his second Administration.
 
Well, we're seeing something of a turnaround in France, and a little in England. We'll see how far they go with it. France under De Gaulle was a bigger deterrent to the Soviets than we were re nuclear responses to a Soviet invasion, so was Britain; they never agreed to any restrictions on whether they would use first strikes as we did. We weren't even well equipped to stand off chemical attacks in the 60's and 70's. We weren't much of a deterrent on the ground.


AI Overview
Learn more

While there isn't a widespread, ongoing "revival" of Charles de Gaulle in the sense of his political party or ideology taking over the political landscape, his legacy continues to resonate in French politics. His influence is felt in how politicians discuss national sovereignty, defense, and the role of France on the world stage. Some contemporary political movements and parties draw inspiration from his ideas, particularly regarding French independence and national pride. However, a direct return to the political model of de Gaulle's time, like the Fifth Republic, seems unlikely, according to sources and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle}.


Here's a more detailed look:
  • Influence on National Sovereignty and Defense:
    de Gaulle's strong emphasis on French independence from the US and NATO, and his creation of a French nuclear deterrent, continue to be points of discussion in French foreign policy debates. Modern French leaders often echo his desire for a more independent and assertive France on the world stage.

  • Inspiration for Right-Wing and Nationalist Movements:
    While not directly adopting the RPF (Rassemblement du Peuple Français) model, some right-wing and nationalist movements in France draw inspiration from de Gaulle's ideas, particularly his emphasis on national unity and his vision of a strong, independent France.

  • Historical Significance:
    de Gaulle's legacy is also studied and discussed by political analysts and historians, who examine the impact of his leadership during a period of significant change in French history.

  • Limited Direct Political Resurgence:
    The political structures and social dynamics of modern France are different from de Gaulle's era. While his ideas continue to influence discourse, the direct return of his political party or the establishment of a new Fifth Republic-style regime is unlikely.

  • RE the latter that is probably more likely than it looks. A few more Islamo-vermin attacks will tip the scales a lot faster these days, even in Germany.
France is working to be able to deploy one division on 30 days notice in 2027....I have not heard how the program is going.

They have been working on it since 2022.
 
NATO will have to learn to survive without the USA. They do not like it, I do not like it, but it is the new reality.
The most important thing they have to consider is How will they afford it? Without the US, Europe as a whole has little in the way of a military. France is only doing stuff that benefits France, so they won't join a new coalition.
 
The most important thing they have to consider is How will they afford it? Without the US, Europe as a whole has little in the way of a military. France is only doing stuff that benefits France, so they won't join a new coalition.
Its not only that....they largely no longer have the industrial base to produce military gear, which would take at min a decade to recreate.
 
I agree that most European NATO nations aren't partners of the U.S., but rather its vassals. I suspect this is what past U.S. government Administrations preferred. Clearly, it's not what Trump prefers in his second Administration.
Yup.

it is what that idiot @Yakuda does not understand.

After WW2 the US pushed very hard to be the worlds sole super power while wanting the EU and rest of NATO to rely on them.

That was NOT dead weight for the US and was why post WW2 the US rose and prospered disproportionately to the EU which was bigger than the US at the start and is now much smaller.

With the US putting itself at the center, with them having bases doing the policing around the world, they got the rest of the world to buy mostly US weapons, and use the US dollar, all of which paid the US back far more then any cost they put out.

Yakuda is just like Trump who cries victim even when he is the biggest beneficiary in any deal.
 
The most important thing they have to consider is How will they afford it? Without the US, Europe as a whole has little in the way of a military. France is only doing stuff that benefits France, so they won't join a new coalition.
The EU is already a coalition and they will continue to build that out in to areas NATO covered as NATO shrinks.
 
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