UK election is tonight; results are just streaming in

But the Tories did say IRV was their "final offer". Labour should just realize that STV is vastly superior to AV+ and accept it. People don't want party-list candidates that are even more slaves to their party than currently.
 
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I wish I were Nick Clegg.
 
charver said:
And Littlejohn was talking about his resignation as Labour leader was he? I had the distinct impression he was arguing about the post of PM.

Maybe it was when he said -
"He believes he has a divine right to be Prime Minister, whatever the wishes of the electorate"

Was i incorrect?
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He does believe he has a divine right to be PM, he only decided to step down when Mandelson and Campbell told him that it was the only way to get a Lib-Lab deal. They no doubt pointed out that he could stay as PM until the leadership contest is decided giving him a few more months to poison the wells for the Conservatives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ele...How-Mandelson-Campbell-persuaded-PM-quit.html


Seeing as you hate Littlejohn so much, this will no doubt cause not even a titter to emanate from your lips.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...010-Gordon-Brown-resigns-STILL-president.html
 
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Tuesday.

ConDem talks continuing apparently. The Tory "final offer" of a referendum on AV, a voting system which the Lib Dems aren't exactly in love with, will, i imagine, be difficult to get past the Liberal Federal Executive. They would get cabinet seats and the lock of fixed term parliaments (presumably as priority to prevent the Tories calling a snap election later this year). Nick seems to want to go this way, it would be the most stable option but his party seems to want to go with Labour.

LibLab meetings this morning. Initially Labour seemed to be offering immediate legislation on AV followed by a referendum on outright PR (possibly STV) but have appeared to have softened that to the current Tory position of an AV referendum. The LibDems see leeway here. Labour also appear to be ruling out a coalition including the Scottish Nationalists, which would make numbers problematic but not entirely insurmountable. Labour are sounding confident this morning.

Poor Nick is caught between a third of his party who are virulently anti-Tory, a third who are virulently anti-Labour and the remainder who are against working with either. There may be something decided today although senior LibDems are suggesting maybe tomorrow.

I've given up trying to predict what is going to happen next.
 
tom prendergast said:
He does believe he has a divine right to be PM, he only decided to step down when Mandelson and Campbell told him that it was the only way to get a Lib-Lab deal. They no doubt pointed out that he could stay as PM until the leadership contest is decided giving him a few more months to poison the wells for the Conservatives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ele...How-Mandelson-Campbell-persuaded-PM-quit.html
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If the Daily Mail said it, it must be true.

Gordon Browns has many, many flaws but he's not stupid enough to have thought he was a)acceptable as leader of any type of coalition government and b)command the remainder of his own party.

What exactly do you want him to do? Resign as PM immediately?
 
charver said:
Tuesday.

ConDem talks continuing apparently. The Tory "final offer" of a referendum on AV, a voting system which the Lib Dems aren't exactly in love with, will, i imagine, be difficult to get past the Liberal Federal Executive. They would get cabinet seats and the lock of fixed term parliaments (presumably as priority to prevent the Tories calling a snap election later this year). Nick seems to want to go this way, it would be the most stable option but his party seems to want to go with Labour.

LibLab meetings this morning. Initially Labour seemed to be offering immediate legislation on AV followed by a referendum on outright PR (possibly STV) but have appeared to have softened that to the current Tory position of an AV referendum. The LibDems see leeway here. Labour also appear to be ruling out a coalition including the Scottish Nationalists, which would make numbers problematic but not entirely insurmountable. Labour are sounding confident this morning.

Poor Nick is caught between a third of his party who are virulently anti-Tory, a third who are virulently anti-Labour and the remainder who are against working with either. There may be something decided today although senior LibDems are suggesting maybe tomorrow.

I've given up trying to predict what is going to happen next.
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Oh I can do that. Fox news will blame the whole mess on Obama.
 
charver said:
If the Daily Mail said it, it must be true.

Gordon Browns has many, many flaws but he's not stupid enough to have thought he was a)acceptable as leader of any type of coalition government and b)command the remainder of his own party.

What exactly do you want him to do? Resign as PM immediately?
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So Charver, you realize you Brits wouldn't have this problem if you implemented the Florida solution.
 
charver said:
If the Daily Mail said it, it must be true.

Gordon Browns has many, many flaws but he's not stupid enough to have thought he was a)acceptable as leader of any type of coalition government and b)command the remainder of his own party.

What exactly do you want him to do? Resign as PM immediately?
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He doesn't have to resign as PM, as soon as he resigns as leader of the Labour party the other follows. We all know somebody has to be PM but he should have resigned immediately on Friday night.

You surprise me that rather than address the issue you choose lazily to attack the messenger. It was said many times last night, on the BBC, Channel 4 and Sky News. Campbell nearly had a punchup on air with Adam Boulton over it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SOVwfwzXvRc
 
tom prendergast said:
He doesn't have to resign as PM, as soon as he resigns as leader of the Labour party the other follows. We all know somebody has to be PM but he should have resigned immediately on Friday night.

You surprise me that rather than address the issue you choose lazily to attack the messenger. It was said many times last night, on the BBC, Channel 4 and Sky News. Campbell nearly had a punchup on air with Adam Boulton over it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SOVwfwzXvRc
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Although it may have suited you, and the newspapers you seem keen on posting, that Gordon Browns resign as party leader on Friday night, in terms of the Labour Party itself perhaps they thought the last thing they needed to do was to immediately initiate a leadership contest there and then. The automatic assumption that Gordon Browns is clinging to power does suit those who wish, above all else to see Mr Camerons in Downing Street immediately but doesn't necessarily hold any validity.

Some people would simply have thought that it would be courteous that Gordon Browns be allowed to leave office and step down gracefully as Labour leader in good time. I'm not saying i agree with that but it is equally as valid an opinion as yours. Then again maybe Mr Littlejohn is correct again and i have simply been fooled by the coalition of Peter Mandelsons and the BBC.
 
charver said:
Although it may have suited you, and the newspapers you seem keen on posting, that Gordon Browns resign as party leader on Friday night, in terms of the Labour Party itself perhaps they thought the last thing they needed to do was to immediately initiate a leadership contest there and then. The automatic assumption that Gordon Browns is clinging to power does suit those who wish, above all else to see Mr Camerons in Downing Street immediately but doesn't necessarily hold any validity.

Some people would simply have thought that it would be courteous that Gordon Browns be allowed to leave office and step down gracefully as Labour leader in good time. I'm not saying i agree with that but it is equally as valid an opinion as yours. Then again maybe Mr Littlejohn is correct again and i have simply been fooled by the coalition of Peter Mandelsons and the BBC.
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I've heard "W" is available and looking for work? :pke:
 
charver said:
Although it may have suited you, and the newspapers you seem keen on posting, that Gordon Browns resign as party leader on Friday night, in terms of the Labour Party itself perhaps they thought the last thing they needed to do was to immediately initiate a leadership contest there and then. The automatic assumption that Gordon Browns is clinging to power does suit those who wish, above all else to see Mr Camerons in Downing Street immediately but doesn't necessarily hold any validity.

Some people would simply have thought that it would be courteous that Gordon Browns be allowed to leave office and step down gracefully as Labour leader in good time. I'm not saying i agree with that but it is equally as valid an opinion as yours. Then again maybe Mr Littlejohn is correct again and i have simply been fooled by the coalition of Peter Mandelsons and the BBC.
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Well, of course we all know that Mandelson and Campbell are totally honourable fellows who would never stitch up a shabby deal behind closed doors. We have only to look at their track records to see how fanciful a notion that is. I think the only reason that the pound and the markets haven't crashed and burned is because the Euro bailout has distracted the wolves, at least for the moment, I just wondering if you will find it all so bemusing if and when the pound reaches parity with the dollar?

I am firmly of the opinion that the problems are now so serious that a national goverment should be formed for a period of at least 2 years but I know that's never going to happen. What we may well end up with is a pathetic coalition of Liberals and Labour propped up by an unholy alliance of SNP, Plaid Cymru, DUP, SDLP and the one Green party MP. They will all try to demand their own barrel of pork.
 
tom prendergast said:
Well, of course we all know that Mandelson and Campbell are totally honourable fellows who would never stitch up a shabby deal behind closed doors. We have only to look at their track records to see how fanciful a notion that is. I think the only reason that the pound and the markets haven't crashed and burned is because the Euro bailout has distracted the wolves, at least for the moment, I just wondering if you will find it all so bemusing if and when the pound reaches parity with the dollar?

I am firmly of the opinion that the problems are now so serious that a national goverment should be formed for a period of at least 2 years but I know that's never going to happen. What we may well end up with is a pathetic coalition of Liberals and Labour propped up by an unholy alliance of SNP, Plaid Cymru, DUP, SDLP and the one Green party MP. They will all try to demand their own barrel of pork.
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Look, Tom, i'm sorry that i don't agree with you, Mr Littlejohn, or the Daily Mail. I appreciate that throughout Gordon Brown's tenure the Daily Mail has been nothing but supportive and extremely reticent to criticise his policies and character. However, i'm just not going to agree with you that Gordon Browns is, essentially, worse than Gary Glitter and Adolf Hitler shagging children in Josef Fritzl's cellar. Best we just agree that we'll never agree, ok?

Who knows what we're going to end up with? We voted in this lot and now it's down to them to make the best of it.
 
charver said:
Look, Tom, i'm sorry that i don't agree with you, Mr Littlejohn, or the Daily Mail. I appreciate that throughout Gordon Brown's tenure the Daily Mail has been nothing but supportive and extremely reticent to criticise his policies and character. However, i'm just not going to agree with you that Gordon Browns is, essentially, worse than Gary Glitter and Adolf Hitler shagging children in Josef Fritzl's cellar. Best we just agree that we'll never agree, ok?

Who knows what we're going to end up with? We voted in this lot and now it's down to them to make the best of it.
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You are right, we will probably not agree. I think personally that Gordon Brown has been an unmitigated disaster for this country as both chancellor and PM. I could give you chapter and verse as to why I think like that but I suspect I would be pissing in the wind. :)
 
tom prendergast said:
You are right, we will probably not agree. I think personally that Gordon Brown has been an unmitigated disaster for this country as both chancellor and PM. I could give you chapter and verse as to why I think like that but I suspect I would be pissing in the wind. :)
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Actually Gordon Browns is (i'm pretty sure) the only politician i've ever called a c*** on a message board. :)
 
tom prendergast said:
I agree with that analysis, although he did keep us out of the Euro so maybe he wasn't all bad?
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Yeah, i'm not a europhile myself. If Gordon had gone into a career behind the scenes, perhaps a mandarin at the treasury or something, rather than gone into politics he and the country would probably have been a lot happier now.

In other news, there are a series of Labour MP's and party types casting doubt on a LibLab pact today. I'll stick my neck out and say we'll have a LibCon deal by tomorrow. (cue the announcement of the complete opposite in the next hour)
 
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