Favorite Democrat and favorite Republican presidents in your lifetime.

Guno צְבִי said:
I was 13 then we knew about it in NYC, ground zero , and the Russians backed down
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More than once, and only because somebody with a nuke in the field didn't use it.

During the Berlin crisis, JFK ordered over 300 of these into the field.

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Three guys in a jeep with a nuclear hand grenade. What could possibly go wrong...?

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Or during the Cuban missile crisis...

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If the submarine squadron commodore wasn't onboard, we'd have had WW 3 because the sub's captain and political officer wanted to nuke the US carrier Randolph and escorts. That whole crisis was precipitated because Kennedy insisted on deploying Thor and Jupiter IRBM's to Europe against his military advisor's advice.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In JFK's case I can see some reason for it. The guy was really, really, fucking dangerous. We came within seconds--one person's call in the field--of a nuclear war twice in his presidency. If there was any post WW 2 president that could have gotten us into WW 3, JFK tops the list, by far.

Nixon was another seriously ethically challenged president but he wasn't bad for what he did in office. He started the EPA and OSHA which were actually good ideas that have been carried to insane extremes today. We, as a nation, needed them. You had upwards of tens of thousands of industrial deaths a year, and pollution was totally out-of-control with the Cuyahoga River catching fire for example. Today, these agencies squabble over a billionth of a percent of some pollutant or the reduction of injuries due to some cause from tens to one or two in industry.
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Surely you understand the problem of picking a D, as I was called to do.

With R's we have a least a couple/few viable options.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Surely you understand the problem of picking a D, as I was called to do.

We R's we have a least a couple/few viable options.
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Soooo....you hate the United States and admit you are an "R"...which is really "T". Interesting.
 
Tobytone said:
Still, Ford’s a surprise pick I didn’t see coming.
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I’m probably the only one the will choose him here.

Care to share what puts him at the top of your list?
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No drama, navigated through a hostile congress, steady. In my lifetime we had Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I and II and Trump.
TAG made some very good points about Nixon. On foreign policy he opened up China but he tried to win what was already an unwinnable war. To me watergate was a big to do about not much.
Bush I was the first globalist and Jr. - well where do I start? So in the end it’s between Reagan and Ford. Both were solid. Like you said, Ford kept the lights on but under very difficult circumstances. Carter made Reagan look really really good. I wonder how he would have fared under Ford’s circumstances.
 
christiefan915 said:
CClinton and Ford.
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Wow. My two choices.
Maybe you’re not the extremist I thought you were.
I still don’t get how you can dismiss Biden’s obvious dementia and the blatant coverup about it when virtually all media, left and right, full acknowledge it. :confused:
 
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Starting from FDR…
Here’s who didn’t get any votes.
Democrats: Truman, LBJ, Carter, Biden
Republicans: GW Bush
 
anonymoose said:
I’m probably the only one the will choose him here.


No drama, navigated through a hostile congress, steady. In my lifetime we had Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I and II and Trump.
TAG made some very good points about Nixon. On foreign policy he opened up China but he tried to win what was already an unwinnable war. To me watergate was a big to do about not much.
Bush I was the first globalist and Jr. - well where do I start? So in the end it’s between Reagan and Ford. Both were solid. Like you said, Ford kept the lights on but under very difficult circumstances. Carter made Reagan look really really good. I wonder how he would have fared under Ford’s circumstances.
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Ford was warming a chair. The nation wasn't going to elect a Republican after Watergate. The Democrats chose to run a serious Liberal in Carter and in one term he train wrecked the country. That led to Reagan.

Reagan did so-so domestically but his big foreign policy achievement was ending the Cold War through economic warfare. The Soviet Union simply couldn't keep up and collapsed under its corrupt and mediocre economic system. Bush I came in Reagan's coattails but really was a failure as a president. He simply couldn't win the peace that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union and couldn't manage to recover the economy from Reagan's spending on defense fast enough. On the other hand, H W Bush handled the Gulf War magnificently. It was his lack of strength on domestic policy that did him in.

That paved the way for Clinton who came in and initially made a pretty hard Left turn politically that ended in the utter disaster of his first mid-terms where the Republicans took Congress for the first time in decades in a red tidal wave. Clinton recovered from that by shifting to the Center and working with the Republicans. For once, federal government worked reasonably well and we even got to a balanced budget. As human beings, the Clintons will burn in the 7th circle of Hell forever.

Then the Dems ran a slate of losers and Leftists that Bush II beat. I'll say Bush II was average.

Obama was without a doubt the finest orator and frontman to run for president in at least a century. The guy could sell. What he couldn't do was lead or manage. He squandered all his political capital on Obamacare and American Recovery Act, both of which failed miserably in their goal. I can't fault him for a second at being able to get elected, but as a leader or manager, Obama was shit.

Trump faced off against the Hildabeast and with Obama's economic and political failures as baggage he won. Trump is easily the most controversial president of the last 75+ years.

Without Chinese Disease, Biden would never have been elected. He was another one-term failure like Carter. It really takes effort to be less popular than Trump.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Ford was warming a chair. The nation wasn't going to elect a Republican after Watergate. The Democrats chose to run a serious Liberal in Carter and in one term he train wrecked the country. That led to Reagan.

Reagan did so-so domestically but his big foreign policy achievement was ending the Cold War through economic warfare. The Soviet Union simply couldn't keep up and collapsed under its corrupt and mediocre economic system. Bush I came in Reagan's coattails but really was a failure as a president. He simply couldn't win the peace that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union and couldn't manage to recover the economy from Reagan's spending on defense fast enough. On the other hand, H W Bush handled the Gulf War magnificently. It was his lack of strength on domestic policy that did him in.

That paved the way for Clinton who came in and initially made a pretty hard Left turn politically that ended in the utter disaster of his first mid-terms where the Republicans took Congress for the first time in decades in a red tidal wave. Clinton recovered from that by shifting to the Center and working with the Republicans. For once, federal government worked reasonably well and we even got to a balanced budget. As human beings, the Clintons will burn in the 7th circle of Hell forever.

Then the Dems ran a slate of losers and Leftists that Bush II beat. I'll say Bush II was average.

Obama was without a doubt the finest orator and frontman to run for president in at least a century. The guy could sell. What he couldn't do was lead or manage. He squandered all his political capital on Obamacare and American Recovery Act, both of which failed miserably in their goal. I can't fault him for a second at being able to get elected, but as a leader or manager, Obama was shit.

Trump faced off against the Hildabeast and with Obama's economic and political failures as baggage he won. Trump is easily the most controversial president of the last 75+ years.

Without Chinese Disease, Biden would never have been elected. He was another one-term failure like Carter. It really takes effort to be less popular than Trump.
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I don’t think there would have been much difference between HWBush had he won and Clinton his last six years. Nothing much happened in that time and the dot com boom fueled the economy.
Clinton did exactly what HW wanted to do and that was raise taxes.
Would Clinton have won without Perot (who hated Bush)?
 
anonymoose said:
I don’t think there would have been much difference between HWBush had he won and Clinton his last six years. Nothing much happened in that time and the dot com boom fueled the economy.
Clinton did exactly what HW wanted to do and that was raise taxes.
Would Clinton have won without Perot (who hated Bush)?
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Congress wouldn't have flipped Republican if not for Clinton and his first two years in office.
 
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