I posted the Pew 2024 national religion poll, and only 8 percent of Americans identify as atheists - a number that I don't think has budged significantly in decades. It doesn't seem an atheist worldview has any widespread support.
The Scopes Monkey Trial is 100 years old this year; surprisingly we still have evolution-deniers
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Trumpet
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You are entitled to your opinions
Yakuda
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Its irrelevant. The fact that with all the evidence we have there are still people who deny the existence of God is astounding. Paraphrasing Darwin himself he said to suppose the eye was formed by natural selection is absurd in the highest degree.
Trumpet
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The usual buffoonery from the Great Thinker.
You DO realize that it is possible to believe in God AND evolution right?
It's only those folks who are hyper-literalist and demand that every jot and tittle of the Bible be literally true who have a significant issue with evolution.
What is the single biggest flaw in evolution according to you?
Trumpet
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Apparently you're not smart enough to know the difference between facts, fantasy, and religious belief.
Trumpet
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A sermon from the Great Thinker.
Most evolutionary biologists have no problem with the gradual evolution of the eye.
Here's what it looks like and how it happened:
Here's a better view:
Pro-Tip: We've learned a LOT in the last almost 200+ years since Darwin. Just sayin'.
Yakuda
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Yeah but that's not who the fuck I'm talking to.
Darwin thought it was the complexity of eyes. He said it was absurd to the highest degree to think eyes were formed by natural selection.
Yakuda
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We know a lot about the process but nothing there indicates natural selection caused it. This is the old give the money enough time and paper and he'll write the next great novel. Of course he will.Most evolutionary biologists have no problem with the gradual evolution of the eye.
Here's what it looks like and how it happened:
Here's a better view:
Pro-Tip: We've learned a LOT in the last almost 200+ years since Darwin. Just sayin'.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to infer that the mathematical design and lawful organization of the universe points to a law-giver.
It's also reasonable to be agnostic about it.
I'll leave it to the atheists to explain how order and design came from nothing, that's not my job to explain.
Yakuda
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Interesting claim. Why do you think that? Evolution is really, at its heart, pretty simple and clear for all to see:
1. Genetic mutations which can be adaptive or maladaptive
2. Survival beyond sexual maturity allowing adaptive mutations to predominate
3. Lots and lots and lots (as in billions of years) of time.
That's really all you need. We even see it happening in those life forms which reproduce quickly.
And the cool thing is we have essentially a "written record" of it in the fossil record.
Oh sorry your claim was universal. I didn't see any caveat.s
Darwin was wrong. Thankfully we've had almost 200 years for science to advance and it has.
SO you just opt to IGNORE the science I provided because it disagrees with what someone 200 years ago thought?
That's very poor reasoning.
People get too hung up on Darwin. Darwin's theory of natural selection was never considered adequate in and of itself to explain evolution. Even in the late 19th and early 20th century, Darwin's theory of natural selection was not widely accepted as adequate to fully explain evolution.
It took the modern neo-Darwinian synthesis combining genetics and natural selection into a complete theory of descent with modification.
Darwin didn't know anything about genes, he and his contemporaries had never heard of them. The significance of genes and the importance of genetic mutation wasn't understood until 60 years after Darwin wrote Origin of Species.
Into the Night
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The Theory of Evolution is a fundamentalist style religion, Sybil.
There is no democracy in the world today, Sybil. The United States was never a democracy. The trial is null and void.
Into the Night
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The Theory of Evolution is not a theory of science, Gunky. It's a religion.
Science has no theories about past unobserved events. They are not falsifiable. There is no such thing as 'standard science'. Theories of science come and go.
Into the Night
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Well, you didn't understand any of it.
To summarize:
Tennessee passed a law outlawing the teaching of the Theory of Evolution in schools. Even though this theory is a religion, it did not violate any part of any constitution applying the State government of Tennessee.
A high school teacher was accused of teaching the Theory of Evolution (he never recalled any such teaching, but intentionally incriminated himself to provide the court with a defendant.
The judge fined the teacher $100, but the case was thrown out on a technicality.
The end result is null and void.
Into the Night
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And this is fine. You have stated your belief. Nothing wrong with that! The Theory of Evolution (that Man evolved from 'lower' life forms) is, after just a religion.
Into the Night
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How can there be a 'center' in something that has no known boundaries????
The Theory of Evolution is a fundamentalist style religion.