Now We Need To Revisit Lt. Michael Byrd

I put in a direct quote from my earlier post.

Mr. Byrd retreated from the entrance to the seated area in the Speaker’s Lobby.
You failed to include that Byrd was on the other side of a barricaded door so couldn't give aid. Other officers arrived at almost the same time on that other side of the door and did provide aid and took control of the area. The seating area in the Speaker's lobby is how far from the entrance to the Speaker's lobby?

Retreating to a seating area that is close is not the same thing as "fleeing the area." We see another lie from you in that claim.
 
You failed to include that Byrd was on the other side of a barricaded door so couldn't give aid. Other officers arrived at almost the same time on that other side of the door and did provide aid and took control of the area. The seating area in the Speaker's lobby is how far from the entrance to the Speaker's lobby?

Retreating to a seating area that is close is not the same thing as "fleeing the area." We see another lie from you in that claim.
It doesn't matter. He could have remained on scene as a presence to prevent any more rioters from trying what Babbitt did. He left and it fell on line-officers mixed in with rioters to deal with the situation. Byrd fled the scene.
 
Would you care to provide any evidence in support of this claim? Or are you able to make wild accusations without any evidence simply because you are white?
A reprint from post #365

  • A 2004 incident where Byrd, who was off duty, fired his weapon at a stolen vehicle as it was fleeing his residential neighborhood;
  • A 2015 "conduct unbecoming an officer" complaint filed by a fellow officer after Byrd, again off duty, confronted him while the officer was working at a high school football game in an incident with racial overtones;
  • A 33-day suspension in 2019 after Byrd left his service weapon unattended in a public Capitol Hill bathroom;
  • A failure to pass a routine background check shortly after Jan. 6 when attempting to purchase a shotgun for home protection, after the USCP worked to provide Byrd a department-issued shotgun instead, he failed the training; and
  • Three further referrals to the Capitol Police Office of Professional Responsibility for which records are reportedly missing.
Start with that.
 
It doesn't matter. He could have remained on scene as a presence to prevent any more rioters from trying what Babbitt did. He left and it fell on line-officers mixed in with rioters to deal with the situation. Byrd fled the scene.
OMFG. At least a half dozen armed officers with long guns were on the other side of the barricaded door. On the one hand you are arguing that Byrd is incompetent and then on the other arguing that he is so competent that he, as one man with a handgun, is better able to control a mob than 6 officers in riot gear and AR-15s.
 
OMFG. At least a half dozen armed officers with long guns were on the other side of the barricaded door. On the one hand you are arguing that Byrd is incompetent and then on the other arguing that he is so competent that he, as one man with a handgun, is better able to control a mob than 6 officers in riot gear and AR-15s.
Clearly, they saw the rioters as far less of a threat than Byrd did since the rioters didn't attempt to overpower any of them now did they?
 
A reprint from post #365

  • A 2004 incident where Byrd, who was off duty, fired his weapon at a stolen vehicle as it was fleeing his residential neighborhood;
  • A 2015 "conduct unbecoming an officer" complaint filed by a fellow officer after Byrd, again off duty, confronted him while the officer was working at a high school football game in an incident with racial overtones;
  • A 33-day suspension in 2019 after Byrd left his service weapon unattended in a public Capitol Hill bathroom;
  • A failure to pass a routine background check shortly after Jan. 6 when attempting to purchase a shotgun for home protection, after the USCP worked to provide Byrd a department-issued shotgun instead, he failed the training; and
  • Three further referrals to the Capitol Police Office of Professional Responsibility for which records are reportedly missing.
Start with that.
ROFLMAO...

Let's look at those.
1. - Nothing to do with his work as an officer
2. - Nothing to do with his work as an officer
3. - as an officer and a single instance.
4. - You do realize that time works in a particular way, right? After Jan 6, 2021 can not be before Jan 6, 2021
5. - Missing records are not evidence of anything.

We are talking 3-6 instances over the course of 21 years. Chauvin had more complaints in 10 years.
 
ROFLMAO...

Let's look at those.
1. - Nothing to do with his work as an officer
2. - Nothing to do with his work as an officer
3. - as an officer and a single instance.
4. - You do realize that time works in a particular way, right? After Jan 6, 2021 can not be before Jan 6, 2021
5. - Missing records are not evidence of anything.
All of those have to do with his work as an officer. Firing on a vehicle fleeing is another violation of federal use of force guidelines. Conduct unbecoming is a direct violation of his work ethics. Losing your service arm is generally a firing offense particularly when you already have previous misconduct on your record. The fourth one shows he continued to fuck up even after the shooting incident. How the fuck do you fail shotgun training? That goes something like:

Clear the weapon and make it safe.
Load the weapon.
Make it ready for use.
Fire the loaded rounds at a target.
Do a "combat" load with a loose round and fire it.
Clear the weapon and make it safe.

Been there, done that numerous times. Byrd fucked that up apparently.

Missing records of additional incidents adds nothing to Byrd's credibility.
 
All of those have to do with his work as an officer. Firing on a vehicle fleeing is another violation of federal use of force guidelines. Conduct unbecoming is a direct violation of his work ethics. Losing your service arm is generally a firing offense particularly when you already have previous misconduct on your record.
3 instances in 21 years. How many officers go 21 years with only 3? Chauvin had 17 in 20 years.

The fourth one shows he continued to fuck up even after the shooting incident. How the fuck do you fail shotgun training? That goes something like:

Clear the weapon and make it safe.
Load the weapon.
Make it ready for use.
Fire the loaded rounds at a target.
Do a "combat" load with a loose round and fire it.
Clear the weapon and make it safe.

Been there, done that numerous times. Byrd fucked that up apparently.
Your argument is he should have been fired long before Jan 6, 2021 for something he did after Jan 6t, 2021. It seems you don't realize how idiotic that makes your argument.
Missing records of additional incidents adds nothing to Byrd's credibility.
Missing records adds nothing to your credibility.
 
All of those have to do with his work as an officer. Firing on a vehicle fleeing is another violation of federal use of force guidelines. Conduct unbecoming is a direct violation of his work ethics. Losing your service arm is generally a firing offense particularly when you already have previous misconduct on your record. The fourth one shows he continued to fuck up even after the shooting incident. How the fuck do you fail shotgun training? That goes something like:

Clear the weapon and make it safe.
Load the weapon.
Make it ready for use.
Fire the loaded rounds at a target.
Do a "combat" load with a loose round and fire it.
Clear the weapon and make it safe.

Been there, done that numerous times. Byrd fucked that up apparently.

Missing records of additional incidents adds nothing to Byrd's credibility.
When's the trial if what you claim is true?
 
3 instances in 21 years. How many officers go 21 years with only 3? Chauvin had 17 in 20 years.

Chauvin was an exception, not the rule. Most officers never face a disciplinary action at all.
Your argument is he should have been fired long before Jan 6, 2021 for something he did after Jan 6t, 2021. It seems you don't realize how idiotic that makes your argument.

It is you that is making an idiotic argument. I'm saying he has demonstrated repeatedly he's a fuck up and bad in high stress situations (firing on a fleeing vehicle, shooting Babbitt). The shotgun after Jan 6 thing is just more evidence he's a fuck up.
Missing records adds nothing to your credibility.
I'm not the one that stated that. That was in the article I cited. Take it up with them.
 
Chauvin was an exception, not the rule. Most officers never face a disciplinary action at all.
That's interesting. The only study I see shows over 50% of officers with 11 years of service have had at least one complaint of excessive force. Do you have a source for your claim? That the majority have had no complaints or disciplinary action of any kind? The study doesn't include any disciplinary action for other infractions but it would be impossible for those to be negative in nature.
It is you that is making an idiotic argument. I'm saying he has demonstrated repeatedly he's a fuck up and bad in high stress situations (firing on a fleeing vehicle, shooting Babbitt). The shotgun after Jan 6 thing is just more evidence he's a fuck up.
You are making claims that aren't supported. He has had 3 instances in 21 years which doesn't appear to be that different from half of officers.
The shotgun doesn't show him to be a fuck up as a police officer. It shows he was unfamiliar with a shotgun which he probably never carried as an officer.
I'm not the one that stated that. That was in the article I cited. Take it up with them.
You are the one that is trying to use the missing records to show him as being a bad officer.
 
I see it completely differently. Bryd was terrified. He could have moved into the hallway and faced Babbitt and the crowd, weapon out or not. He should have known that there were several other officers present, particularly being a supervisor. I would assume he was the senior officer present which means he should have had control of the other officers and been directing the action. Instead, he acted like a line officer, had lost situational awareness, and by his own admission was scared as fuck.

He did a shit job and he should be held accountable for that.
He could not have moved into the hallway, there were folks there beating on the windows with those hard hats. You "assume" all sorts of stuff, but that doesn't change the reality. Folks he was there to protect were hunkered down in that very room.

While I do believe that mob training and better equipment can ensure that future mobs do not necessarily have to end in death. I am certain that at a trial juries would see this as reasonable fear for the lives of those he was supposed to protect, at the very least enough of a jury would hold that opinion that you would never, and I really do mean never, get a conviction. We do not need to waste the treasure or time on this, what we need to do is get them better equipped and trained.
 
The FBI conducted no formal investigation. The DOJ basically whitewashed using conclusions provided by the Capitol Police.
Since you know that, tell us who conducted the investigation.

Making shit up and then using your made up shit to try to make an argument is pretty lame on your part.
The FBI is not tasked with investigating police shootings. If you think they should be then tell us what law gives them that power.
 
He could not have moved into the hallway, there were folks there beating on the windows with those hard hats. You "assume" all sorts of stuff, but that doesn't change the reality. Folks he was there to protect were hunkered down in that very room.
Not only was there a crowd out there. The doors were barricaded with furniture. He would have had to move the chairs blocking the doors, unlock the doors and then open them. T.A. is demanding that he act in a manner that would have been foolish if not impossible.
While I do believe that mob training and better equipment can ensure that future mobs do not necessarily have to end in death. I am certain that at a trial juries would see this as reasonable fear for the lives of those he was supposed to protect, at the very least enough of a jury would hold that opinion that you would never, and I really do mean never, get a conviction. We do not need to waste the treasure or time on this, what we need to do is get them better equipped and trained.
The problem with a lot of police errors is the training or lack of. But in the end training can never actually match the real world experience where training can go out the window with the rush of adrenaline.
 
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