Israel's war with several middle eastern countries

[Scott]

While I don't think that Israel has actually -declared- war on any other country, it's certainly -acting- like a country at war with various other middle eastern countries. From Palestine (if you agree that it's a country) to Lebanon, Syria and now Iran, Israel has certainly kept itself busy. I thought I'd make this thread as a central place to talk about all these wars that Israel is engaged in, as well as the United States' role in them. I'll start off with a speech, or rant, as Scott Ritter likes to call them, on who Trump is listening to when it comes to national intelligence issues:

Ritter's Rant Ep. 6: Who Control's the President?

Tulsi Gabbard is supposed to brief the President on all matter pertaining to intelligence. He says he doesn't care what she says. Who is briefing the President?

scottritter.substack.com

He brings up the likelihood that Trump is listening more to Israeli intelligence than his own, which I think most would agree is a sad state of affairs.

I'd also like to link to a previous thread I made on the subject of assassinations and Israel's reliance on them both in the past and in the present day:

Thread 'Iran war: from the Middle East to America, history shows you cannot assassinate your way to peace'

Jun 17, 2025

Just finished the article that shares the name of this thread from Matt Fitzpatrick, who is the Professor of International History at Flinders University in Adelaide, Australia. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of his article:
**
In the late 1960s, the prevailing opinion among Israeli Shin Bet intelligence officers was that the key to defeating the Palestinian Liberation Organisation was to assassinate its then-leader Yasser Arafat.

The elimination of Arafat, the Shin Bet commander Yehuda Arbel wrote in his diary, was “a precondition to finding a solution to the...

• Scott
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[Scott]

Just finished watching the following video wherein former Turkish Rear Admiral Cihat Yaycı weighs in on the dangers of the war between Israel and Iran from a global perspective:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vxNVLC8EE8&ab_channel=GZT

 

[T. A. Gardner]

More interestingly is how nation after nation in the Middle East is falling into chaos and civil war. Lebanon and Syria are two examples. Palestine can't get their shit together long enough to even stop fighting themselves. Libya is a disaster. Iraq teeters on civil war.

Quite frankly, Israel isn't fighting internally it is fighting all its neighbors who start shit with each other, themselves, and Israel.

 

[Hawkeye10]

More interestingly is how nation after nation in the Middle East is falling into chaos and civil war. Lebanon and Syria are two examples. Palestine can't get their shit together long enough to even stop fighting themselves. Libya is a disaster. Iraq teeters on civil war.

Quite frankly, Israel isn't fighting internally it is fighting all its neighbors who start shit with each other, themselves, and Israel.

The American Empire has been a disaster for the region.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The American Empire has been a disaster for the region.

No, Arab tribalism and Islam have been. Interference from the West has been ongoing there since before the US was founded as a nation. Our first wars were in the Middle East, and we've had issues there ever since, just as Europe has.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

While I don't think that Israel has actually -declared- war on any other country, it's certainly -acting- like a country at war with various other middle eastern countries. From Palestine (if you agree that it's a country) to Lebanon, Syria and now Iran, Israel has certainly kept itself busy. I thought I'd make this thread as a central place to talk about all these wars that Israel is engaged in, as well as the United States' role in them. I'll start off with a speech, or rant, as Scott Ritter likes to call them, on who Trump is listening to when it comes to national intelligence issues:

Ritter's Rant Ep. 6: Who Control's the President?

Tulsi Gabbard is supposed to brief the President on all matter pertaining to intelligence. He says he doesn't care what she says. Who is briefing the President?

scottritter.substack.com

He brings up the likelihood that Trump is listening more to Israeli intelligence than his own, which I think most would agree is a sad state of affairs.

I'd also like to link to a previous thread I made on the subject of assassinations and Israel's reliance on them both in the past and in the present day:

Thread 'Iran war: from the Middle East to America, history shows you cannot assassinate your way to peace'

Jun 17, 2025

Just finished the article that shares the name of this thread from Matt Fitzpatrick, who is the Professor of International History at Flinders University in Adelaide, Australia. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of his article:
**
In the late 1960s, the prevailing opinion among Israeli Shin Bet intelligence officers was that the key to defeating the Palestinian Liberation Organisation was to assassinate its then-leader Yasser Arafat.

The elimination of Arafat, the Shin Bet commander Yehuda Arbel wrote in his diary, was “a precondition to finding a solution to the...

• Scott
• iran israel israel-iran war matt fitzpatrick middle east middle east wars palestinians the conversation
• Replies: 50
• Forum: General Politics Forum

Yea us pesky Jews who are tired of getting attacked

 

[Scott]

More interestingly is how nation after nation in the Middle East is falling into chaos and civil war. Lebanon and Syria are two examples. Palestine can't get their shit together long enough to even stop fighting themselves. Libya is a disaster. Iraq teeters on civil war.

Quite frankly, Israel isn't fighting internally it is fighting all its neighbors who start shit with each other, themselves, and Israel.

You think their fighting each other is just a happy coincidence for Israel and its western allies?

 

[Scott]

The American Empire has been a disaster for the region.

No, Arab tribalism and Islam have been.

Who do you think has been fanning the flames? I'm sure you've heard of Divide and Conquer.

Interference from the West has been ongoing there since before the US was founded as a nation. Our first wars were in the Middle East, and we've had issues there ever since, just as Europe has.

Do you view this as a good thing or a bad thing? Other than some brief instances, such as the work of Lawrence of Arabia, I think it's generally been bad.

 

[Scott]

While I don't think that Israel has actually -declared- war on any other country, it's certainly -acting- like a country at war with various other middle eastern countries. From Palestine (if you agree that it's a country) to Lebanon, Syria and now Iran, Israel has certainly kept itself busy. I thought I'd make this thread as a central place to talk about all these wars that Israel is engaged in, as well as the United States' role in them. I'll start off with a speech, or rant, as Scott Ritter likes to call them, on who Trump is listening to when it comes to national intelligence issues:

Ritter's Rant Ep. 6: Who Control's the President?

Tulsi Gabbard is supposed to brief the President on all matter pertaining to intelligence. He says he doesn't care what she says. Who is briefing the President?

scottritter.substack.com

He brings up the likelihood that Trump is listening more to Israeli intelligence than his own, which I think most would agree is a sad state of affairs.

I'd also like to link to a previous thread I made on the subject of assassinations and Israel's reliance on them both in the past and in the present day:

Thread 'Iran war: from the Middle East to America, history shows you cannot assassinate your way to peace'

Jun 17, 2025

Just finished the article that shares the name of this thread from Matt Fitzpatrick, who is the Professor of International History at Flinders University in Adelaide, Australia. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of his article:
**
In the late 1960s, the prevailing opinion among Israeli Shin Bet intelligence officers was that the key to defeating the Palestinian Liberation Organisation was to assassinate its then-leader Yasser Arafat.

The elimination of Arafat, the Shin Bet commander Yehuda Arbel wrote in his diary, was “a precondition to finding a solution to the...

• Scott
• iran israel israel-iran war matt fitzpatrick middle east middle east wars palestinians the conversation
• Replies: 50
• Forum: General Politics Forum

Yea us pesky Jews who are tired of getting attacked

I think it's unfortunate that the Israeli government learned a lot of its biggest mistakes from groups like the Nazis. I'm sure that Hitler would have been just fine with that line from Golda Meir to prop up his own regime as well, especially as Nazi germany approached its demise.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You think their fighting each other is just a happy coincidence for Israel and its western allies?

No, I think it's centuries of social, economic, religious, and cultural inculcation that have combined to create Arabic culture and the societies they live in. Lawrence of Arabia, a Westerner who understood that culture intimately, says as much and he lived over a century ago. It is slowly changing, but to completely upend a culture takes multiple generations and it doesn't happen overnight. The exception to that is when it is forced, and even then, it doesn't work very well. Instead, you get major pushback to it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Who do you think has been fanning the flames? I'm sure you've heard of Divide and Conquer.

No flames to fan, Arabs are their own worst enemy.

Do you view this as a good thing or a bad thing? Other than some brief instances, such as the work of Lawrence of Arabia, I think it's generally been bad.

Western intervention in the Middle East was and is brought about by the very nature of Arab culture. When you wage war and piracy on your neighbors, they are going to do something about it. Bad or good, it has been necessary.

 

[Scott]

You think their fighting each other is just a happy coincidence for Israel and its western allies?

No, I think it's centuries of social, economic, religious, and cultural inculcation that have combined to create Arabic culture and the societies they live in. Lawrence of Arabia, a Westerner who understood that culture intimately, says as much and he lived over a century ago. It is slowly changing, but to completely upend a culture takes multiple generations and it doesn't happen overnight. The exception to that is when it is forced, and even then, it doesn't work very well. Instead, you get major pushback to it.

Sure, Lawrence of Arabia understood their divisions, but he tried and was successful in bridging many of those divides. Much of the west these days is intent on doing the opposite, in order to divide and conquer. Some recent examples:

Israeli Mossad named as funder of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - The Grayzone

Top Israeli lawmakers have accused their government of laundering massive sums through a shadowy network of US humanitarian and mercenary orgs. The weaponized aid initiative is the linchpin of Israel’s plan to ethnically cleanse northern Gaza by forcing the starving population into concentration...

thegrayzone.com

Uber CEO plots ‘opening up’ of Iran with Israeli-tied monarchist opposition group - The Grayzone

A livestreamed Iranian royalist chat revealed a network of foreign-educated elites plotting to plunder Iran's economy after realizing their dream of regime change. The CEO of Uber, Dara Khosrowshahi, has drawn criticism following his participation in an online discussion workshopping ways to...

thegrayzone.com

Thousands reported killed in Syria as HTS-allied forces attack, execute Alawites - The Grayzone

Editor's note: Sectarian Sunni forces linked to the new HTS-led government of Syria have massacred over 1300 Alawites in the past week, according to a conservative estimate. The Grayzone has spoken to staff from a Western aid organization currently on the ground in Syria who say the death toll...

thegrayzone.com

 

[Scott]

No flames to fan, Arabs are their own worst enemy.

Western intervention in the Middle East was and is brought about by the very nature of Arab culture. When you wage war and piracy on your neighbors, they are going to do something about it. Bad or good, it has been necessary.

Yes, today, western elites certainly exploit the divisions of Arab and Persian culture. T.E. Lawrence did the opposite, bringing different tribes together. That's why he was so successful in freeing the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire. Here's a line from him that encapsulates his feelings on the matter:
"I loved you, so I drew these tides of men into my hands/and wrote my will across the sky in stars"

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Sure, Lawrence of Arabia understood their divisions, but he tried and was successful in bridging many of those divides. Much of the west these days is intent on doing the opposite, in order to divide and conquer. Some recent examples:

Israeli Mossad named as funder of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - The Grayzone

Top Israeli lawmakers have accused their government of laundering massive sums through a shadowy network of US humanitarian and mercenary orgs. The weaponized aid initiative is the linchpin of Israel’s plan to ethnically cleanse northern Gaza by forcing the starving population into concentration...

thegrayzone.com

Uber CEO plots ‘opening up’ of Iran with Israeli-tied monarchist opposition group - The Grayzone

A livestreamed Iranian royalist chat revealed a network of foreign-educated elites plotting to plunder Iran's economy after realizing their dream of regime change. The CEO of Uber, Dara Khosrowshahi, has drawn criticism following his participation in an online discussion workshopping ways to...

thegrayzone.com

Thousands reported killed in Syria as HTS-allied forces attack, execute Alawites - The Grayzone

Editor's note: Sectarian Sunni forces linked to the new HTS-led government of Syria have massacred over 1300 Alawites in the past week, according to a conservative estimate. The Grayzone has spoken to staff from a Western aid organization currently on the ground in Syria who say the death toll...

thegrayzone.com

The Grey Zone is an out and out conspiracy nutter site. It makes Alex Jones and Infowars look rational and sane. I usually don't just slam a site like this, but the Grey Zone is an exception. It's so utterly far Left it's on the radical Right having looped around the universe.

The Grayzone - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The Grayzone Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

Following are the bias and reliability scores for The Grayzone according to Ad Fontes Media. Bias: Hyper-Partisan Left; Reliability: ...

adfontesmedia.com

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/grayzone-media-bias

Grayzone, sparking free speech debate​

Far-left news site says crowdfunding company prevented access to donations, citing ‘external concerns’.

GoFundMe freezes donations for The Grayzone, sparking free speech debate

Far-left news site says crowdfunding company prevented access to donations, citing ‘external concerns’.

www.aljazeera.com

In the above links you gave, you have a bunch of questionable sources and ones that are horribly biased with no attempt at any sort of balance.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The Grey Zone is an out and out conspiracy nutter site. It makes Alex Jones and Infowars look rational and sane. I usually don't just slam a site like this, but the Grey Zone is an exception. It's so utterly far Left it's on the radical Right having looped around the universe.

The Grayzone - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The Grayzone Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

Following are the bias and reliability scores for The Grayzone according to Ad Fontes Media. Bias: Hyper-Partisan Left; Reliability: ...

adfontesmedia.com

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/grayzone-media-bias

Grayzone, sparking free speech debate​

Far-left news site says crowdfunding company prevented access to donations, citing ‘external concerns’.

GoFundMe freezes donations for The Grayzone, sparking free speech debate

Far-left news site says crowdfunding company prevented access to donations, citing ‘external concerns’.

www.aljazeera.com

In the above links you gave, you have a bunch of questionable sources and ones that are horribly biased with no attempt at any sort of balance.

sorry deep anti-human.

the jig is up.

everybody knows you people are trash.

kill us all or stfu.

 

[Into the Night]

The American Empire has been a disaster for the region.

What American Empire???????

 

[Into the Night]

You think their fighting each other is just a happy coincidence for Israel and its western allies?

Fighting each other is a happy coincidence???????

 

[Into the Night]

I think it's unfortunate that the Israeli government learned a lot of its biggest mistakes from groups like the Nazis. I'm sure that Hitler would have been just fine with that line from Golda Meir to prop up his own regime as well, especially as Nazi germany approached its demise.

There is no genocide or gas chambers in Israel, dummy.

 

[Scott]

More interestingly is how nation after nation in the Middle East is falling into chaos and civil war. Lebanon and Syria are two examples. Palestine can't get their shit together long enough to even stop fighting themselves. Libya is a disaster. Iraq teeters on civil war.

Quite frankly, Israel isn't fighting internally it is fighting all its neighbors who start shit with each other, themselves, and Israel.

You think their fighting each other is just a happy coincidence for Israel and its western allies?

Fighting each other is a happy coincidence???????

No, I was trying to point out to Gardner that the fact that there are various middle east factions fighting each other isn't a coincidence at all- it's planned. Some stories that strongly hint at this:

Israeli Mossad named as funder of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation - The Grayzone

Top Israeli lawmakers have accused their government of laundering massive sums through a shadowy network of US humanitarian and mercenary orgs. The weaponized aid initiative is the linchpin of Israel’s plan to ethnically cleanse northern Gaza by forcing the starving population into concentration...

thegrayzone.com

Uber CEO plots ‘opening up’ of Iran with Israeli-tied monarchist opposition group - The Grayzone

A livestreamed Iranian royalist chat revealed a network of foreign-educated elites plotting to plunder Iran's economy after realizing their dream of regime change. The CEO of Uber, Dara Khosrowshahi, has drawn criticism following his participation in an online discussion workshopping ways to...

thegrayzone.com

Leaked files show secret UK Syria project boosted Jolani’s HTS - The Grayzone

In the name of building a “moderate opposition,” London established a social service and media network in areas controlled by HTS, benefitting the group it branded as a dangerous Al Qaeda affiliate. Leaked British intelligence files reviewed by The Grayzone raise grave questions about whether...

thegrayzone.com

Thousands reported killed in Syria as HTS-allied forces attack, execute Alawites - The Grayzone

Editor's note: Sectarian Sunni forces linked to the new HTS-led government of Syria have massacred over 1300 Alawites in the past week, according to a conservative estimate. The Grayzone has spoken to staff from a Western aid organization currently on the ground in Syria who say the death toll...

thegrayzone.com

 

[Scott]

I think it's unfortunate that the Israeli government learned a lot of its biggest mistakes from groups like the Nazis. I'm sure that Hitler would have been just fine with that line from Golda Meir to prop up his own regime as well, especially as Nazi germany approached its demise.

There is no genocide or gas chambers in Israel

I certainliy haven't heard of any gas chambers in Israel, but as to genocide, there's a growing consensus that that's exactly what Israel is doing:

Even Once Reluctant Scholars Now Agree on Israel's Gaza Assault: It's a Genocide | Common Dreams

Is Israel committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza? Leading international experts say yes, with the majority of their peers in academia concurring. The debate is shifting as the death toll rises and humanitarian aid is blocked. Are you ready to confront the harsh reality of what's...

www.commondreams.org

dummy.

Insult never further a discussion- instead, they distract from it. I suspect that's your goal, though perhaps an unconscious one.