What does the New Testament say about homosexuality? Short answer: "Nothing"

EdwinA said:
Like I need your permission. lol
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You do not need my permission to show the board that you find Christianity repulsive.

EdwinA said:
I'm not a Christian;
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So why do you care about people questioning Christianity?

EdwinA said:
that's just your brainwashing leading you around by the nose. Nobody is 'screaming', except of course faggots. They demand everybody use their silly ass euphemisms, being little mentally ill gimps.
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"faggots". Got it.
 
gmark77 said:
I sense you are not seeing the inherent difficulty with this position:

You really do seem to be saying that a Teacher said to his possible flock: "Part of my followers are to be held to the Judaic Laws and part will be free of them", yet you have never pointed to anything that Jesus says that even remotely comes close to that. Meanwhile there is at least one quote where he says pretty much effectively the opposite of that. You find it convenient to "ignore" this quote or hand wave it away with some exegesis which is nowhere in the words of Jesus.

Your primary defense seems to be "other people settled it later on".

Are you of the opinion that the author of Matthew simply made up things for Jesus to say? Or do you think Jesus actually DID bifurcate his flock into those who would have to follow the laws and those who wouldn't? If the latter then where did Jesus state this?

(Also: I'm still curious what your denomination is.)
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There was nothing for Jesus to explain. It was universally understood in the ancient world, it's universally understood among historians and religious scholars today, and it's universally understood among informed laypersons that living under Mosaic legislation and law was a covenant unique to Jews. It's Torah that defined Jews from everyone else around them.

If you're not Jewish, you had to convert to Judaism to commit to a Torah-centered life.


The only question that came up later in the 1st century is whether gentile followers of Christ would have to convert to Judaism and live under Torah, or whether gentiles could follow Christ without converting to Judaism.

It's exceedingly simple to understand.


Years ago, some atheist blog cherry picked this one sentence from one gospel, and claimed it was the perfect foil to stump Christians and expose their hypocrisy. And it's been making the rounds ever since.
 
gmark77 said:
You do not need my permission to show the board that you find Christianity repulsive.
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No, that would be you and the other sexual deviants. Strawmen don't work around here very well.

gmark77 said:
So why do you care about people questioning Christianity?
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Why do you care and keep trying to rewrite it to suit yourself?

gmark77 said:
"faggots". Got it.
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Good. Calling homos 'gay' is just admitting you know they're sickos and need to hide behind ludicrous euphemisms.
 
Cypress said:
It's remarkable how many conservative Evangelicals have a couple of obscure quotes about sex in the Bible memorized, but they're hard pressed to remember anything about the Sermon on the Mount.
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According your fantasy. It's remarkable how determined faggots are to keep lying about what the bible says, despite never succeeding.
 
EdwinA said:
No, that would be you and the other sexual deviants. Strawmen don't work around here very well.



Why do you care and keep trying to rewrite it to suit yourself?



Good. Calling homos 'gay' is just admitting you know they're sickos and need to hide behind ludicrous euphemisms.
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Yakuda said:
And theres the crux of the matter, "love your neighbor and yourself". How that gets interpreted is fascinating. I hear people say Jesus didn't condemn sinners like the woman at the well caught in adultery. How beautiful right? He also said don't sin anymore. There are consequences for our choices and peoples affection for God seem to rapidly trail off when the judgment day conversation starts.

From the beginning of Scripture it says

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Exodus 2:18. God made Eve not Steve. They become one flesh and Scripture refers to Eve as Adams wife.

Being a homosexual is not a sin. Engaging in homosexual sex is and is no different than sex with a person of the opposite sex you are not married to. Can we tell someone we love they have done something sinful?
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its simple and straighforward.
 
gmark77 said:
I believe he says the exact opposite. It took the Church Fathers and later 19th Century evangelicals to firm up the concept of "Dispensations" in order to allow people to accept that parts of the OT no longer applied.

I strongly disagree with one of the posters here who thinks the OT is somehow no longer important. That's simply not correct. But I also understand that Christianity NEEDED to change and break away from the faith that spawned it. It needed to grow and adapt to a new world. That's how all religions function.
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newsflash: all the mosaic laws are invalid for everyone.




its clear that love thy neighbor replaces all mosaic law for everyone.

if you're a zionist revisionist and christ denier that's on you.
 
Cypress said:
There was nothing for Jesus to explain. It was universally understood in the ancient world, it's universally understood among historians and religious scholars today, and it's universally understood among informed laypersons that living under Mosaic legislation and law was a covenant unique to Jews. It's Torah that defined Jews from everyone else around them.

If you're not Jewish, you had to convert to Judaism to commit to a Torah-centered life.


The only question that came up later in the 1st century is whether gentile followers of Christ would have to convert to Judaism and live under Torah, or whether gentiles could follow Christ without converting to Judaism.

It's exceedingly simple to understand.


Years ago, some atheist blog cherry picked this one sentence from one gospel, and claimed it was the perfect foil to stump Christians and expose their hypocrisy. And it's been making the rounds ever since.
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and it's universally understood among informed laypersons that living under Mosaic legislation and law was a covenant unique to Jews. It's Torah that defined Jews from everyone else around them.

If you're not Jewish, you had to convert to Judaism to commit to a Torah-centered life.
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In a nutshell
 
Guno צְבִי said:
In a nutshell
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The question then becomes: did Jesus himself see his ministry as being applicable to the Gentiles? If so and if his words in Matthew are to be trusted to be real then Paul was wrong in opening the faith up to non-Jews without conversion.

The debate between Paul and the Jerusalem congregation (many of whom could be assumed to have actually walked along side Christ) becomes all the more confusing at this point. Paul prevails yet Paul never met Jesus.

So is the Gospel of Matthew false in the laws holding sway until the earth ends? Or is Paul wrong?

In order for the idea that the teachings were somehow SEPARATE for Jews and Gentiles seems a stretch because I don't believe Jesus says anything even remotely like that.
 
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