BWAHAHAHA MAGA is tearing itself apart lol! At least they’re seeing that they were wrong
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IBDaMann
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I'm hoping it remains this way. I fear that the US is secretly going to war through proxy Israel as a way of appearing that the US is somehow remaining outside of any wars. We are already treating Arabs as captured enemies if they speak.
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What way would the U.S. be secretly using Israel as a proxy? I am against prolonged or even any kind of war, since nowadays
the chances are much greater that they would escalate into a nuclear contest where 9 countries already have nuclear arsenals.
Trump is giving Iran another couple of weeks to confirm that they (Iran) won't be continuing their nuclear development. I'm
100% convinced that Iran has zero chance of giving up their plans to develop nukes. So, I see Trump giving Iran a couple more
weeks to see just how far along Israel goes in destroying Iran's missiles etc. While Trump doesn't believe in sending ground
troops to anywhere, he has been known to take out a few of the top terrorist leaders in the past via the targeted fighter
jet route. My prediction is that Trump will have no other option than to drop those 30,000 pound bunker bombs to wipe
out whatever is left to Iran's nuclear venues. Worldwide peace would then be much greater a possibility than any other
time in the history of modern times since the #1 terrorist nation of Iran will be no more. When that time comes we'll be seeing
Trump as being the #1 person likely and rightly get the Nobel Peace Prize.
for us to invade Iraq. 
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IBDaMann
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To attack Iran. We can both acknowledge that it would be a shitstorm if Trump were to wake up one day and launch the US into a new war. We all expect him to keep his word on not getting the US into any new wars.
It would be very bad if Trump decided that he wanted to fight a war anyway, by having Israel do the fighting, and having the US funnel as much money and weapons to Israel that they want/need to do the US' dirty work. I am not accusing Trump of having done this; I am concerned, however, at what I am seeing. I am keeping my eye on the situation. Trump is my President and I support him 100%. I trust but verify. I will be watching.
This is very poor wording on your part. Iran is allowed to have a nuclear program. Iran is allowed to develop nuclear energy. Your position is in error if you start by stating that it is unacceptable for the government of Iran to strive to bring energy to its people, which is what your statement implies.
Your position needs to address three things in order to be fair and consistent:
1) acknowledge that Iran has a right, as a sovereign country, to develop nuclear energy.
2) focus on the concern: the world has a right to object to any country appearing to develop nuclear weapons.
3) if you are worried about illegal nuclear weapons, then you need to call Israel out onto the carpet. If you actually don't care enough about illegal nuclear weapons to call Israel on their illegal program, then you need to back off of Iran.
The 1st point is self-explanatory, unless you HATE Iranians and don't feel they deserve to have energy. If you happen to HATE Iranians then you should state that up front so that everyone can judge your arguments as a whole; otherwise, the first point is not disputed.
The 2nd point should be the focus of discussion. The world might very well object to Iran developing a nuclear weapon, despite approving of Iran developing nuclear energy. Any country has the right to say "Hey, Iran, I hear you saying that you are only developing nuclear energy but I see you have reached 60% enrichment when you only need 5%, so I'm going to say NAY! to anything you want to do until there are IAEA inspectors assuring me that you are building nuclear reactors that can use that kind of uranium, and that you aren't building a nuclear bomb." Everyone has a right to that position (as well as every country officially), and to take whatever steps are needed to acieve satisfaction over the situation. So if Iran agrees to inspectors, along with everything else Trump demands, we should allow Iran to allow inspectors ... and we should hammer Israel for sabotaging the peace that was imminent by attacking Iran upon learning of the Iran peace deal that Trump had secured. We should be absolutely HAMMERING Israel for destroying the peace.
Regarding the very first point in this post, this is where I have concerns. Follow me on this. Trump entered negotiations with Iran in which Trump unequivocally declared that he would not allow them to proceed with their nuclear program unless they allowed inspectors to alleviate concerns that Iran was developing a nuclear bomb. Iran agreed to everything Trump demanded and while Trump's team was working with the Iranian team to draft the specific wording of the treaty, Trump announced that a peace deal was imminent. Israel panicked at the prospect of peace between the US and Iran, and immediately commenced with Operation Rising Lion, and began bombing Iran and assassinating leaders, just to sabotage that peace deal ... and it worked. Iran saw that the US stood by and did nothing while allowing Israel to attack them. Trump never condemned Israel for sabotaging his efforts. I have to wonder if Trump didn't have this planned. Trump never condemned Israel for sabotaging the peace deal. Operation Rising Lion was totally unprovoked, unless you consider the prospect of peace with Iran as legitimately being provocation. Trump publicly told Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to delay military action to give diplomacy a chance, but then gave Israel a high-five for blatantly ignoring him and attacking Iran amidst his peace negotiations, not any condemnation.
I'm not buying it. I am fully aware that Israel does not want peace, but now I am operating under the assumption that Trump doesn't want peace either. It looks like Trump is using Israel as a proxy to go to war with Iran, using US tax dollars to fund it. This whole situation doesn't sit well with me. Let me be clear, if Israel wants to attack Iran every day of the week from now until the cows come home, let them have at it. I just don't want any US $$ supporting Israel's wars and Israel's genocide. I would rather that money be used to fix highways here in the US.
The 3rd point is also straightforward. Israel has an illegal nuclear weapons program that they refuse to register with the IAEA and for which they refuse to divulge any specifics. Israel has more than 100 nuclear weapons while Iran has none. When Israel screams that the world should be concerned about Iran, the world should respond by kicking in Israel's door and inspecting their nuclear weapons, publishing the results to the world.
You don't get to say that as long as Iran agreed to inspections. You can only blame Israel for sabotaging peace.
Aside from confirming that Trump is "in on it", what do you expect to gain by cheering on Israel's use of American weapons to kill Iranian civilians as "collateral damage." Are you hoping the IDF destroys those pesky nuclear weapons that Iran doesn't have? Why do you support the expenditure of US dollars to use US weapons to kill Iranians that are not a threat to the US? Tell me that spending US dollars to have Israel attack Iran with US weapons isn't using Israel as a US proxy for the US' new war with Iran. Please, tell me. I'd like to see you make that declaration.
Exactly, I get it, Trump would look VERY BAD if he were to do that. So, is he planning on using Israel as his proxy so that he has plausible deniability ... that will be totally transparent?
Why assassinate Iranian leaders? Because Israel so orders it? I don't particularly like the idea of the US being subverted to the will and authority of Israel. So, allow me to ask again: Why should the US assassinate leaders of other countries? That's totally immoral, and currently only one country does that regularly, i.e. Israel. Now we have Israel demanding that the US assassinate leaders (and civilian scientists) of countries that Israel HATES. Why should we bend the knee to Israel and simply OBEY their orders, even orders to assassinate leaders of other countries?
Just so you know, I don't want the US OBEYING any country. Whenever Israel comes demanding that the US attack some country or to assassinate someone, the US should give Israel a firm bitch-slap. The US should cease all funding/support to Israel. Funding them is not in US interests.
Please explain why Trump has no other option but to ensure the Iranian people must not ever have nuclear energy.
So we're no longer "America first"? We're back to Globocop, regime changes and ensuring world peace? Is that what you think We the People voted for in November?
The IDF is the #1 terrorist organization at present. Al Qassam has edged out Hezbollah for the #2 position.
First, there is no positive meaning to any Nobel prize anymore.
Second, there will be no Nobel Peace Prizes for anyone supporting the IDF.
Trump, Netanyahu and the IDF will be tainted with the same stink as Hitler and the Nazis. I'm not talking about in the perspective of western Christians, but of the world at large, and of the Nobel board specifically. Donald Trump might very well get the Nobel Peace Prize for deescalating tensions between Pakistan and India, but the US and Israel are looked at as war criminals actively committing genocide in Gaza, and now generating an unnecessary, unprovoked war with Iran.