Birth Right Citizenship case should be announced tomorrow... Predictions?

Jarod

Jarod

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To me the Constitution is clear, and the Conservatives are strict constructionists. Because of that, I suspect Roberts and Barrett will side with the Liberals and say that being born here is clearly a basis for automatic citizenship.

I could be very wrong. We will see.
 
Jarod said:
To me the Constitution is clear, and the Conservatives are strict constructionists. Because of that, I suspect Roberts and Barrett will side with the Liberals and say that being born here is clearly a basis for automatic citizenship.

I could be very wrong. We will see.
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it is laughable to say it is clear

if it is so clear, why was it modified over and over again by courts for decades?

why did Native Americans born here not qualify per this supposedly clear interpretation?
 
Jarod said:
To me the Constitution is clear, and the Conservatives are strict constructionists. Because of that, I suspect Roberts and Barrett will side with the Liberals and say that being born here is clearly a basis for automatic citizenship.

I could be very wrong. We will see.
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I’ll predict they will give Trump what he wants, either 7-3 or 6-4, probably deciding Trump can continue till the lower Courts redefine terminology, and just as they have in all their appeasements to Trump, come up with some bizarre double mumble jumble rationalization.

You can bet Maralago is working the back channels to make sure it happens
 
Jarod said:
To me the Constitution is clear, and the Conservatives are strict constructionists. Because of that, I suspect Roberts and Barrett will side with the Liberals and say that being born here is clearly a basis for automatic citizenship.

I could be very wrong. We will see.
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Cite this clear reference. Is it clear like, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"? That kind of clear?
 
I assume even if overturned, a grandfather clause would not impact those that were born here prior to the change in interpretations?
 
zymurgy said:
it is laughable to say it is clear

if it is so clear, why was it modified over and over again by courts for decades?

why did Native Americans born here not qualify per this supposedly clear interpretation?
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Because back in the day, Many Native Americans living on certain reservations were not subject to the Jurisdiction of the Untied States.
 
zymurgy said:
I assume even if overturned, a grandfather clause would not impact those that were born here prior to the change in interpretations?
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I do not see how they could do that, the Constitution is the Constitution. Congress would have to pass a law.
 
Yakuda said:
Cite this clear reference. Is it clear like, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"? That kind of clear?
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
 
Jarod said:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Great. You FINALLY followed through with something. Now what is it you retards always say about guns? Oh yeah I remember now, the founders never imagined there would be automatic weapons and you don't need a howitzer. Maybe they also never expected an American political party would encourage and allow millions upon millions of people to illegally enter the country so they could have babies just to stay in the country. Idiot
 
Yakuda said:
Great. You FINALLY followed through with something. Now what is it you retards always say about guns? Oh yeah I remember now, the founders never imagined there would be automatic weapons and you don't need a howitzer. Maybe they also never expected an American political party would encourage and allow millions upon millions of people to illegally enter the country so they could have babies just to stay in the country. Idiot
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They need to amend the Constitution if they want changes.
 
The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

that is the issue up for debate

liberals seem to think they are the only ones that get to change interpretations, where we are forced to do something that is politically impossible today - ratify an amendment
 
Yakuda said:
Just like with guns but we never hear that from you retards do we?
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You are correct, we need to amend the Constitution relating to guns, but there is a difference... While the word "arms" have evolved into including much more dangerous weapons, the meaning of "Citizenship" and "Jurisdiction" has not changed.

No rational person in the United States believes every individual should be allowed to bear Nuclear Arms.
 
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