Obama has trusted Oil way too much...!

[Bonestorm]

Scary when I agree with Cypress. But he's right, at least about government's role in stopping the gusher as well as BP's response. They are doing things to be seen doing things and aren't doing effective things...

However the "hatchet of regulation" makes me laugh. This administration just months before the explosion gave an award to that very platform for it's safety record. Not the past administration, this one; and more than a year after they have been actually running things.

Give it a rest with the fucking safety award. Jesus. That's a fucking joke considering the stuff that is coming out regarding the MMS under Bush. This was published today:

WASHINGTON — Federal regulators responsible for oversight of drilling in the Gulf of Mexico allowed industry officials several years ago to fill in their own inspection reports in pencil — and then turned them over to the regulators, who traced over them in pen before submitting the reports to the agency, according to an inspector general’s report to be released this week.

The report, which describes inappropriate behavior by the staff at the Minerals Management Service from 2005 to 2007, also found that inspectors had accepted meals, tickets to sporting events and gifts from at least one oil company while they were overseeing the industry.

Although there is no evidence that those events played a role in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the report offers further evidence of what many critics of the Minerals Management Service have described as a culture of lax oversight and cozy ties to industry.

As P.J. O'rourke said, the Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

Your post is Grade-A hacktackular horseshit.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25mms.html?ref=us

 

[Topspin]

They need those as well as environmental experts, we need to know where the most vulnerable places are and protect them by directing the oil into controlled areas.

You can't swing a dead cat in a command center without hitting an environmentalis. Guess the armchair QB's really don't know what is going on.

 

[charver]

You can't swing a dead cat in a command center without hitting an environmentalis. Guess the armchair QB's really don't know what is going on.

If they're spending all their time at work swinging dead cats in the office is it any wonder they haven't got to grips with this leak yet? Moreover, if these chaps can't even keep a cat alive is it wise to trust them with larger, more complex tasks such as environmental disasters?

 

[Damocles]

You can't swing a dead cat in a command center without hitting an environmentalis. Guess the armchair QB's really don't know what is going on.

Except they do...

You can't swing a "dead cat" in the government without hitting an ex oil exec...

Now quit it. We are agreeing and you are just getting stupid because you personally don't like me for some inane reason. The reality is the response has been ineffective, but the government has no way to do what BP is on scene to do, stop the flow.

Now, they need to hire both for the FEMA part in this, or they need to listen to the ones they hired, because they are sucking at this.

 

[Damocles]

Give it a rest with the fucking safety award. Jesus. That's a fucking joke considering the stuff that is coming out regarding the MMS under Bush. This was published today:



As P.J. O'rourke said, the Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

Your post is Grade-A hacktackular horseshit.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25mms.html?ref=us

Right. Except the government has not been run by Rs for over three years. The Congress for the last two years of Bush's admin was D (you know that group that can make laws and regulations), and for these past few it's even been super majorities, yet government is still proving to be ineffective. The very real and present reality is the Obama administration's appointees either continued these things, or were incompetent.

Thanks for your hacktular idiocy, but the reality is that this Admin really did give that exact platform a reward for safety. It makes me laugh when somebody tries to say they were somehow doing it better because they had a D next to their name.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Except they do...

You can't swing a "dead cat" in the government without hitting an ex oil exec...

Now quit it. We are agreeing and you are just getting stupid because you personally don't like me for some inane reason. The reality is the response has been ineffective, but the government has no way to do what BP is on scene to do, stop the flow.

They could hire more help from other companies, and use fema more.

people are starting not to like you damo because you're dishonestly hacktacualar and disingenuous.

Here you made the choice that your privatization agenda is more important than actual reality, even if means defending obama. You're such a transparent shill.

 

[Topspin]

If they're spending all their time at work swinging dead cats in the office is it any wonder they haven't got to grips with this leak yet? Moreover, if these chaps can't even keep a cat alive is it wise to trust them with larger, more complex tasks such as environmental disasters?

Hey chicklets for teeth, it's your gov oil company that's responsible. Now get the gaps closed and straighten those bad boys.

 

[Damocles]

They could hire more help from other companies, and use fema more.

people are starting not to like you damo because you're dishonestly hacktacualar and disingenuous.

Here you made the choice that your privatization agenda is more important than actual reality, even if means defending obama. You're such a transparent shill.

"People" are only you and Topper. Others have had issues with my inner hack without getting stupid when we are agreeing. And I already pointed out that "hiring help" is too late. If that were to be effective they needed them on staff before and to have equipment and capability. Moving one company out and another in doesn't make that part any better. At all.

The reality is:

BP is on scene and doing what the newly hired companies would have to figure out to do after they got there. Hiring somebody else to start over will not be effective in getting the flow stopped. Plugging the leak is the one area that BP needs to continue handling.

What FEMA should do, and where we agree is:
Hire other companies to help with the clean up, get people to help with directing the oil to where it will create the least amount of damage... That's where FEMA needs to go.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

"People" are only you and Topper. Others have had issues with my inner hack without getting stupid when we are agreeing.

You're acting totally stupid. The government can certainly do more. you just let your idiot privatization agenda cloud your logic. You're losing. This is not the time.

 

[charver]

Hey chicklets for teeth, it's your gov oil company that's responsible. Now get the gaps closed and straighten those bad boys.

Our government doesn't own an oil company but aside from that you make an excellent point, as you'd expect from an "industry insider".

Keep up the good work.

 

[Bonestorm]

Right. Except the government has not been run by Rs for over three years. The Congress for the last two years of Bush's admin was D (you know that group that can make laws and regulations), and for these past few it's even been super majorities, yet government is still proving to be ineffective. The very real and present reality is the Obama administration's appointees either continued these things, or were incompetent.

Thanks for your hacktular idiocy, but the reality is that this Admin really did give that exact platform a reward for safety. It makes me laugh when somebody tries to say they were somehow doing it better because they had a D next to their name.

Of course, you don't bother to deal with the actual facts of the matter I posted and instead want to pretend that (1) Congress was in control of an executive branch department while Bush was president and (2) Obama is at fault for not having a magic wand to fix all regulatory shit-show that was MMS in a year and a half.

Sweet Jesus. I hope to God you get paid for this shit.

 

[Damocles]

You're acting totally stupid. The government can certainly do more. you just let your idiot privatization agenda cloud your logic. You're losing. This is not the time.

Again you DO NOT READ WHAT I WRITE.

1. I said the government can do more, just not in that one area. (That of stopping the flow).

Read it again, each time I have said it:

The government can do more, just not in that one area.

 

[Topspin]

Our government doesn't own an oil company but aside from that you make an excellent point, as you'd expect from an "industry insider".

Keep up the good work.

you don't have dentist either

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Keep it up though and you can work in obama's administration maybe.

 

[Damocles]

Of course, you don't bother to deal with the actual facts of the matter I posted and instead want to pretend that (1) Congress was in control of an executive branch department while Bush was president and (2) Obama is at fault for not having a magic wand to fix all regulatory shit-show that was MMS in a year and a half.

Sweet Jesus. I hope to God you get paid for this shit.

Oh please.

Pointing out who writes the laws (regulations) that you believe would magically be in effect when Ds took office isn't hack, it is very real.

1. Congress was in control of their funding and activities, they have an oversight role even when Bush is President.
2. Obama is, however, in control of making those people do their jobs and in a year and a half is far more responsible for what happened there than Bush was for what happened in his first year....

You attempt to hold only Rs responsible for their mess. This is Obama's mess, his administration. The buck doesn't stop with Bush this time. His appointees were in charge. They have been ineffective.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Again you DO NOT READ WHAT I WRITE.

1. I said the government can do more, just not in that one area. (That of stopping the flow).

Read it again, each time I have said it:

The government can do more, just not in that one area.

WHo limited the discussion to that one area? I mean the WHOLE issue of the oil spill. Stop being a hack.

Could fema be pressed harder do you think?

 

[Onceler]

"then they get elected and prove the Republicans right"

That's a bit of a stretch, since Republicans usually say they'll turn America into a communist utopia and befriend terrorists....

 

[Damocles]

WHo limited the discussion to that one area? I mean the WHOLE issue of the oil spill. Stop being a hack.

Could fema be pressed harder do you think?

I haven't limited it to that area.

You are again NOT READING WHAT I WRITE.

Hey, AHZ, the government can do more, and here is where (remember that agreement I said we had, it's here):

1. Hiring companies to help in the clean up (which they can later charge to BP).
2. Passing laws that make it so that the monetary responsibility no longer stops at $75,000,000.

Nobody at all limited it to that one area, you just attempt to pick one thing I say out of a larger post, "misunderstand" it, attempt to make it "all" of what I say, then argue stupidly about something I never said.

It's the classic straw man.

What you don't like is getting your behind fed to you through a straw.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I haven't limited it to that area.

You are again NOT READING WHAT I WRITE.

Hey, AHZ, the government can do more, and here is where (remember that agreement I said we had, it's here):

1. Hiring companies to help in the clean up (which they can later charge to BP).
2. Passing laws that make it so that the monetary responsibility no longer stops at $75,000,000.

Stop being a racist!

 

[charver]

you don't have dentist either

It appears our nation boasts as many dentists as you have English based quips.

Coincidentally they are both due for retirement.