Obama has trusted Oil way too much...!

[Damocles]

wow a friend with a cookie cutter plan.

Child please

Right, ignore the Exxon link (sorry Esso) to actual plans for exactly what I am talking about depending on the situation.

In this one, mitigation means that you direct it to places on the shore where you can best clean up and away from sensitive areas.

Seriously, childlike man, you are making a scene for no reason here.

 

[Topspin]

you are boarderline retarded, that explain the faux buddihsim.

First, boom is a nat on the elephants ass as long as the well is spewing 200,000 gallons a day into the gulf. Second there are hundereds of professional response people deploying boom who make six figures to do it. That be like you coaching tball then telling Derik Jeter how to hit. Junior

 

[Damocles]

you are boarderline retarded, that explain the faux buddihsim.

First, boom is a nat on the elephants ass as long as the well is spewing 200,000 gallons a day into the gulf. Second there are hundereds of professional response people deploying boom who make six figures to do it. That be like you coaching tball then telling Derik Jeter how to hit. Junior

Hence, I asked the Batting Coach what he'd do then repeated it here.

You are clearly pretending to have knowledge you don't. It's like saying because you work in George Constanza's position on the Yankees you know the same as the batting coach that I got advice from.

Booms that are twisted messes on the shore that contained nothing were not laid correctly, even if they were laid by zillionaires.

 

[Topspin]

Hence, I asked the Batting Coach what he'd do then repeated it here.

You are clearly pretending to have knowledge you don't. It's like saying because you work in George Constanza's position on the Yankees you know the same as the batting coach that I got advice from.

Booms that are twisted messes on the shore that contained nothing were not laid correctly, even if they were laid by zillionaires.

I as a finance section chief in oil spill response and a national logistic coordinator (responsible for hiring boom and skimmers) and having laid boom know 1,000 times more than some tool who friend told him it looks wrong.

 

[Damocles]

I as a finance section chief in oil spill response and a national logistic coordinator (responsible for hiring boom and skimmers) and having laid boom know 1,000 times more than some tool who friend told him it looks wrong.

No, you don't. And it wasn't just my friend (who works doing exactly that), but also the plans laid out by Esso and other companies, and I linked directly to one of those, the one from Esso.

That you ignore it to pretend you have knowledge because you work the books is laughable.

You're the fricking janitor at Chevron so you think you know how to lay boom?

Come on, you are a childlike man who keeps books.

 

[Damocles]

Topper, the experts disagree with you. At least the ones from Esso, and the Coast guard do... I laugh at your attempt to claim expertise because you keep books.

Thank the little gods I was able to ask people who actually know things.

 

[Topspin]

No, you don't. And it wasn't just my friend (who works doing exactly that), but also the plans laid out by Esso and other companies, and I linked directly to one of those, the one from Esso.

That you ignore it to pretend you have knowledge because you work the books is laughable.

You're the fricking janitor at Chevron so you think you know how to lay boom?

Come on, you are a childlike man who keeps books.

sure false buddha, I've got 25 years industry experience and 10 heavily in the command center for spill response and could get paid nearly what I make to do that for a living. I doublt someone would pay you $1 for you boom suggestion.

 

[Damocles]

sure false buddha, I've got 25 years industry experience and 10 heavily in the command center for spill response and could get paid nearly what I make to do that for a living. I doublt someone would pay you $1 for you boom suggestion.

The experts who wrote the actual report that I linked to in this very thread have more experience than you as well as the knowledge.

So quit with your "I keep the books so I'm an expert" idiocy.

BTW figure 9-8 is also a version of what I was talking about.

They already paid for the plan, man. They just need to follow it.

 

[Topspin]

what you don't know and are comically ignorant on is this. The spill response is not just BP employees. There is an industry group that does most of the work, MSRC and they have people from all ends of the industry. Besides that all major oil companies have lent engineers to help BP. There is no shortage of brain power going on. La proposed a sand barrier that we are close to doing without the feds approval.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I guess the temptation to get in bed with big oil was just too much...!


First Obama agreed to expand drilling rights, and now he has refused to have the government take over the spill clean up.

I am starting to really get pissed about this spill and how the clean up has been handled. On this issue, Obama has been as bad as Bush would have been, I hate to say that because I like the guy, but it is becoming more and more clear...!

Facism is a tide that is hard to push back...!

What is really upsetting is when you realize the Congress has given the president almost unlimited authority in dealing with and responding to such disasters. The Clean Water Act specifically gives the president the ability to completely federalize the disaster and implement any and all government resources to address the situation. However, as of yesterday, the administration continues to posture as if the onus is solely on BP and no one else. Arguing, they are responsible for stopping the leak as well as the clean up. It seems the White House is far more concerned with public perception that this is BPs fault, and BP is totally to blame for the catastrophic aftermath.

It's as if the lifeguard is in his stand, pointing out into the ocean at the person drowning, and lecturing those on the beach... You see that idiot? He swam out too far and now he is in trouble! It's totally his fault for being such an idiot and swimming out there so far! If he drowns, he has only himself to blame, he should have never swam out that far! We should put some signs up along the beach, so people won't swim out that far! The only reason we don't have the signs is because the last lifeguard was irresponsible!

THAT is Leadership you can believe in, I guess?

 

[Topspin]

especially when they are admitting the regulators were too cozy with industry, therefore admitting the gov culpability.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I've got 25 years industry experience and 10 heavily in the command center for spill response and could get paid nearly what I make to do that for a living.

Is it just me, or does it blow your mind how many freakin "experts" we have, whenever something like this happens? I mean, no matter what the crisis, there is always someone who has 25 years experience dealing with it, and is an expert authority on the matter, and they just so happen to grace our lovely board! They spend most of their time here, posting insignificant partisan claptrap, or absolute idiocy devoid of common sense, but once was a day..... lol!

 

[Topspin]

I'm not expert at it and am not claiming such, I have much more than an armchair QB's knowledge those outside the industry do. Yes the Gov is posturing, Obama and Chu are using the boot on thier throat line to avoid the bumbling tag Bush got for Katrina. Empty words like that don't put fish in the fishermans net or tourist in the deepsea boat. Obama will take a Bush like hit if this shit doesn't turn for the better in a week or two. He's at the mercy of BP totally.

 

[Chapdog]

ohh I know. lets tax oil more to pay for a new oversight committee that costs more then the tax we raise and causes gas prices to go up.

 

[Cypress]

I guess the temptation to get in bed with big oil was just too much...!


First Obama agreed to expand drilling rights, and now he has refused to have the government take over the spill clean up.

I am starting to really get pissed about this spill and how the clean up has been handled. On this issue, Obama has been as bad as Bush would have been, I hate to say that because I like the guy, but it is becoming more and more clear...!

Facism is a tide that is hard to push back...!

I'm pissed at Obama, and I think British Petroleum should be declared an enemy of the state.

That said, it would be unfeasible for the government to "take over". The government doesn't have the equipment or the expertise to cap oil spills. That's why dudes like Red Adair are legends. All the expertise is in private industry.

What the government should do is aggressive oversight of the spill, and holding BP accountable. I told topspin like a month ago that I had the impression that BP was treating this as an engineering problem, rather than an environmental problem. And that they didn't have a clue what the f they were doing.

The government has been in the pocket of big oil forever, but what they should have done, number one, is to force these fuckers to have a viable containment plan in place and ready to go at a moments notice before we even began leasing public waters to these shit heads.

Secondly, when someone fucks up, like BP is, the government's first and primary responsiblity is to the public welfare and the environment. They have the authority to force BP to stop treating this as a public relations disaster, and start treating it as an environmental catastrophe and to employ actual science. Environmental scientists, not just petroleum engineers What were left with is BP flailing around and not knowing what the f they're doing.

I have my doubts, but I hope this independent commission they're hashing together comes up with strict and enforceable regulatory measures for these fuckers if they want to drill in deep water.

Because if the last two years have taught us anything, its that the captains of industry can't be trusted without a hatchet of regulatory oversight held over their effing heads.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not expert at it and am not claiming such, I have much more than an armchair QB's knowledge those outside the industry do. Yes the Gov is posturing, Obama and Chu are using the boot on thier throat line to avoid the bumbling tag Bush got for Katrina. Empty words like that don't put fish in the fishermans net or tourist in the deepsea boat. Obama will take a Bush like hit if this shit doesn't turn for the better in a week or two. He's at the mercy of BP totally.

Now this part I agree with.

BP needs to get the hole plugged or it will hurt Obama. However they are at their mercy because the government is totally unprepared and incapable of doing anything at all.

Ken Salazar's promise that they'd "take over" if BP didn't do it is preposterous.

 

[Damocles]

I'm pissed at Obama, and I think British Petroleum should be declared an enemy of the state.

That said, it would be unfeasible for the government to "take over". The government doesn't have the equipment or the expertise to cap oil spills. That's why dudes like Red Adair are legends. All the expertise is in private industry.

What the government should do is aggressive oversight of the spill, and holding BP accountable. I told topspin like a month ago that I had the impression that BP was treating this as an engineering problem, rather than an environmental problem. And that they didn't have a clue what the f they were doing.

The government has been in the pocket of big oil forever, but what they should have done, number one, is to force these fuckers to have a viable containment plan in place and ready to go at a moments notice before we even began leasing public waters to these shit heads.

Secondly, when someone fucks up, like BP is, the government's first and primary responsiblity is to the public welfare and the environment. They have the authority to force BP to stop treating this as a public relations disaster, and start treating it as an environmental catastrophe and to employ actual science. Environmental scientists, not just petroleum engineers What were left with is BP flailing around and not knowing what the f they're doing.

I have my doubts, but I hope this independent commission they're hashing together comes up with strict and enforceable regulatory measures for these fuckers if they want to drill in deep water.

Because if the last two years have taught us anything, its that the captains of industry can't be trusted without a hatchet of regulatory oversight held over their effing heads.

Scary when I agree with Cypress. But he's right, at least about government's role in stopping the gusher as well as BP's response. They are doing things to be seen doing things and aren't doing effective things...

However the "hatchet of regulation" makes me laugh. This administration just months before the explosion gave an award to that very platform for it's safety record. Not the past administration, this one; and more than a year after they have been actually running things.

 

[Topspin]

Kudo's to cypress!!!
I however hope your wrong, I know domestic companies hit spill like its a normady beach. And that maybe a result of post OPA 90 culture which BP may not share.

 

[Topspin]

Also, the gov will have to hire industry experts and no one else has a clue how this is done.

 

[Damocles]

Also, the gov will have to hire industry experts and no one else has a clue how this is done.

They need those as well as environmental experts, we need to know where the most vulnerable places are and protect them by directing the oil into controlled areas.