Is Ozzy bound for Heaven? He claimed to be a believing Christian.

Hume said:
Again...fine. I find it boring.
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Ozzy is worth discussing as much as Jeffery Epstein.

At least Ozzy was an artist who created memories and experiences that millions of people appreciate, and was a devoted husband who stayed with his wife for 43 years.

I can't think of a single positive thing to say about Jeffery Epstein.
 
Cypress said:
I wonder if you apply the same standards of moral perfection to yourself that you apply to Ozzy.

Ozzy, despite his flaws, seems to have raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charity and stayed married to the same woman for 43 years.

I don't think there has ever been a morally perfect Christian in human history.
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I'm not a christian, but on the whole, I imagine I would fair slightly better in the eyes of the omniscient

we both have good and bad qualities for sure

thanks for caring
 

Remembering Ozzy Osbourne’s Jewish vow renewal​

The Prince of Darkness was reluctant to have a rabbi officiate — until he was offered wine​

But Sharon’s father, music manager Don Arden, was Jewish (and on the episode is briefly seen singing “Vhy don’t you give a Yiddishe boy a chance”). Despite her daughter Kelly’s insistence that Judaism was passed on matrilineally, Sharon stated that she felt more Jewish than anything.
Osbourne brought his summer festival Ozzfest to Israel in 2010. Sharon has been outspoken about antisemitism and Israel, recently calling for the Irish band Kneecap to lose their U.S. visas following an anti-Israel performance at Coachella.

In February 2024, Osbourne posted to X that he denied Ye (formerly Kanye West) permission to sample a performance of Black Sabbath’s “Iron Man,” because he “IS AN ANTISEMITE AND HAS CAUSED UNTOLD HEARTACHE TO MANY.”

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Remembering Ozzy Osbourne’s Jewish vow renewal

Ozzy Osbourne once renewed his vows in a televised Jewish ceremony. He changed his mind about the rabbi when he offered him wine.
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zymurgy said:
I'm not a christian, but on the whole, I imagine I would fair slightly better in the eyes of the omniscient

we both have good and bad qualities for sure

thanks for caring
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You seem to be insinuating the moral threshold is higher for Christians than it is for you. Is the bar lower for atheists, Hindus, Zoroastrians?

Except under unusual circumstances, people are judged by the totality of their lives.

Some posters are time travelling back deep into the 20th century to cherry pick a ten year period when Ozzy was abusing drugs and alcohol.

I think sinners, drug addicts, prostitutes, and prison inmates are exactly the kind of people Jesus would hang out with.

I'll start patting myself on the back for being morally superior to Ozzy after I raise hundreds of millions of $$$ for charity, and make it to the 44 year threshold of being married to the same spouse.
 
Cypress said:
You seem to be insinuating the moral threshold is higher for Christians than it is for you. Is the bar lower for atheists, Hindus, Zoroastrians?
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you seem to be infatuated with Ozzy

he lived a life of excess. I don't think an all-knowing entity would be impressed but opinions are like assholes...and speaking of assholes.....
 
It amazes me that some people don't remember
that the shenanigans on a heavy metal bandstand
are a PERFORMANCE.

A concert is not a Black Mass.
It's a fucking show.
Ozzie may be a member of the Church of England
but far crazier denominations [like Southern Baptists]
have entertainers doing Satin Worship Comedy / Noise on the bandstand,
because you can make a buck entertaining people that way.
Everybody doesn't have the taste and sophistication to appreciate Tony Bennett and Frank Sinatra..

The real crazy comes OFFSTAGE when the drug crazed musicians trash hotel rooms
and fuck groupies riddled with STDs.

ONSTAGE, they're just doing their jobs, same as normal people.
If heaven does exist, which I find impossible to believe,
Ozzie has as much right to show up as anybody else.
Eventually, everybody does.
Eternity is an infinite amount of time.
You can't "earn" eternal damnation in a finite lifetime.

If an afterlife exists,
vermin like trumpanzees may have to be reincarnated enough times until they finally get life close to right,
paying many karma debts in the process,
but if Heaven somehow is real, it's probably for everybody, eventually.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
It amazes me that some people don't remember
that the shenanigans on a heavy metal bandstand
are a PERFORMANCE.

A concert is not a Black Mass.
It's a fucking show.
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sure, but how you make your money likely would matter to an all-knowing entity

they know what you are thinking, not just what you say to the public

 
Cypress said:
Despite his stage persona and association with dark imagery, Ozzy Osbourne has publicly stated that he is a Christian. He has described his relationship with Christianity as complex and personal.

Here are some key points about Ozzy Osbourne's relationship with Christianity:
  • Self-proclaimed Christian: Osbourne has stated, "I'm a Christian. I was christened as a Christian. I used to go to Sunday school".
  • Member of the Church of England: In 1992, he identified himself as a practicing member of the Church of England.
  • Prays before concerts: Osbourne has indicated that he prays before each performance.
  • Disputes devil-worshiping allegations: He has repeatedly distanced himself from accusations of promoting occultism or worshipping Satan, stating that he has never been involved in black magic.
  • Doesn't regularly read the Bible: Osbourne has mentioned that he has tried to read the Bible but finds it difficult to understand.
  • Belief in God separate from church attendance: He states, "I believe in God. I don't go to church, but I don't think you have to go to church to believe in God,".
  • Beliefs viewed as inconsistent by some: His lyrics and stage performances have clashed with traditional Christian values, leading some to question the sincerity of his faith.
In essence, Ozzy Osbourne considers himself a Christian and believes in God. However, his approach to faith is unconventional and doesn't strictly adhere to all traditional religious practices


source credit: Google AI.
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I'm sure his journey on will be the same as it is for all of us.

One of my friends met him in person many, many years ago. She was working the desk at a hotel while in college. He and his entourage checked in. She was on the midnight shift. She said the lobby was empty when the elevator dinged and Ozzy appeared, stoned and wearing a white hotel robe and holding a dollar bill. She couldn't figure out what he was saying because it was so garbled. She gave him change for the dollar, thinking he wanted a Coke from the machine. Sure enough, he mumbled something, got his Coke, and went back upstairs. Funny encounter.
 
Cypress said:
I doubt it. Two generations of conservative parents thought he was in league with Satan, he was generally considered the Prince of Darkness in popular culture - and the fact he was a believing Christian is a striking juxtaposition between Ozzy the man, and Ozzy the legend.
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They did a lengthy (for a half hour news show) bio of him on NBC Nightly News last night. They used that phrase for him several times.
The band name Black Sabbath is a Satanic reference to that group.
 
zymurgy said:
speaks "volumes" about you I would say
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Would you say Ozzy is a "worse" or "better" Christian than Joel Osteen? Both are craven performers who leverage the supernatural to fleece their followers, but Ozzy was explicitly clear that it was just an act for him. Joel, in the explicit name of God, is doing all of that but not saying that it is an act.

The reason "whataboutism" works in this conversation is because God is being "interrogated" if you will. What is the Punishment Rubric which God relies on. We all know that in Christianity the ONLY requirement is acceptance of Jesus as one's lord and savior. So "salvation" is set. But "what about people who are truly good and decent people who care for others and do good in the world but have never accepted Jesus as their savior"? That kind of whataboutism really tells us MORE about the faith.

The more subtle questions follow from that.
 
gmark77 said:
Would you say Ozzy is a "worse" or "better" Christian than Joel Osteen? Both are craven performers who leverage the supernatural to fleece their followers, but Ozzy was explicitly clear that it was just an act for him. Joel, in the explicit name of God, is doing all of that but not saying that it is an act.

The reason "whataboutism" works in this conversation is because God is being "interrogated" if you will. What is the Punishment Rubric which God relies on. We all know that in Christianity the ONLY requirement is acceptance of Jesus as one's lord and savior. So "salvation" is set. But "what about people who are truly good and decent people who care for others and do good in the world but have never accepted Jesus as their savior"? That kind of whataboutism really tells us MORE about the faith.

The more subtle questions follow from that.
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^cuckoo
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
They did a lengthy (for a half hour news show) bio of him on NBC Nightly News last night. They used that phrase for him several times.
The band name Black Sabbath is a Satanic reference to that group.
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I'm surprised he lived that long, considering the abuse of alcohol and drugs he indulged in.

I don't see them any differently than I see Steven King. They all carved out a commercial niche selling a certain kind of genre.

When I actually listened to the lyrics of War Pigs or Crazy Train, it's surprising how much Ozzy worked in themes of universal love and peace, and made a clear moral distinction between good and evil.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm sure his journey on will be the same as it is for all of us.

One of my friends met him in person many, many years ago. She was working the desk at a hotel while in college. He and his entourage checked in. She was on the midnight shift. She said the lobby was empty when the elevator dinged and Ozzy appeared, stoned and wearing a white hotel robe and holding a dollar bill. She couldn't figure out what he was saying because it was so garbled. She gave him change for the dollar, thinking he wanted a Coke from the machine. Sure enough, he mumbled something, got his Coke, and went back upstairs. Funny encounter.
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Did he throw any televisions out the hotel window? 😲 lol
 
zymurgy said:
riight

no, I said you are crazy because when it comes to salvation, it wouldn't be god that is being "interrogated"
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No you said no such thing. You just said "Cuckoo".

Perhaps in your mind you thought those things and I'd be MORE than happy to discuss them with you but I will let you know up front I can't read your mind, even if it is really really simple.
 
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