APP - Do biological viruses actually exist?

No, there are no ways to isolate biological viruses, at least not by the commonly accepted definition of the term, not virologists' twisted definition.
I see you have decided to prove you refuse to read anything that refutes your claims.
I have presented multiple papers showing there are 3 ways to isolate viruses and you simply refuse to read them while trying to claim you have done research.

Scott: - As to your papers, I'm not going to read any of them at this time,
 
I've found that the evidence supporting the existence of biological viruses to be a house of cards. As to why I came to that conclusion, I suggest you take a good look at the opening post of this thread.
What do you think had to happen for the entirety of the scientific/medical world (public and private, on every continent) to get together and manufacture the lie of biological viruses?

As I believe I've said in the past, I don't believe that the "entirety of the scientific/medical world" got together to "manufacture the lie of biological viruses". People believe -many- things that are false- religious beliefs perhaps being the most obvious. Did you know there are up to 40,000 distinct Christian groups/denominations worldwide? It's true:

I hope we can agree that, at best, only one of them can be completely right. Does that mean that all the other Christians "got together" to "manufacture" lies? No, it just means that people frequently reach conclusions that aren't supported by solid evidence.

In the case of how people came to believe that biological viruses not only exist but are incredibly dangerous, the start of that story comes from the work of people who started the concept of "germ theory", people such as Louis Pasteur who were known to use pseudoscience liberally in order to further their agenda. Mike Stone, author of the ViroLIEgy newsletter, has written articles on the subject of germ theory. He wrote one a few weeks ago, which can be seen here:

I'll just quote the first paragraph of the article below:
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To those familiar with my work, it comes as no surprise that I take great interest in highlighting the forgotten voices from the formative years of germ “theory” and virology—those who examined the rise of these pseudoscientific fields with critical eyes. These individuals had front-row seats to history, and they witnessed firsthand the unscientific, contradictory foundations that shaped our modern beliefs about health, disease, and wellness. They recognized the manipulation by vested interests and warned against the manufactured acceptance of germ “theory” by a fearful, uninformed public. And they spoke out—attempting to avert what they foresaw as a grave disaster.
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I've gone to the very start of modern virology, Franklin Enders. All papers on virology today are based on the unsubstantiated assertions that he made. There's no point in reading papers when they all rely on the same pseudoscientific assumptions. I've quoted Mike Stone on Enders before, but perhaps you missed it or have forgotten so once more:
Since you haven't read the papers, how can you know what is in them?

I read some of the titles, but if you believe that one of the 20 papers you linked to provides solid evidence that biological viruses exist, by all means -quote- that part. I've certainly quoted passages from the articles I link to when I believe they actually provide evidence for my claims. I believe that the person who makes the claim needs to present the evidence for it, not just link to papers they -believe- has the evidence for their claims.
 
It's you who've made a claim that remains unsupported here. As I said, you're welcome to try to prove that all of Mike Stone's "alternative explanations have been falsified". Somehow, I don't think you'll do it.
It's impossible to prove something to you when you simply refuse to even look at any evidence that shows Mike Stone's arguments are nothing but logical fallacies.

You've presented no such evidence.
 
I think it's safe to say you are not aware of what science is.
You're so focused on me that you fail to recognize that I'm literally quoting the work of experienced doctors and other researchers. Mike Stone has written long essays on the evidence that virology isn't scientific, as I've already pointed out to you. For those in the audience who may not yet have seen his excellent work, here are 2 that I believe are quite good:

You are not quoting the work of experienced doctors or researchers.

Oh, but I am. I don't know -anyone- who has researched the history of virology more than Mike Stone.
 
Can you tell us how cell culture technique violates the isolation system that you call common that relies on cell culture techniques?

Gladly. Mike Stone actually wrote an article on this very subject, here:

Now, perhaps you don't want to click on the link, so I'll just quote the entire article below, as it's short:
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Isolation: the act of separating something from other things : the act of isolating something

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/isolation

Above is the definition most people agree with and refer to when isolating something. Not virologists. This is what they mean when using the word isolation:

“Viruses are basically inanimate objects which need a culture to activate in. But the way they are phrasing the requests is that the sample must be completely unadulterated and not be grown in any culture – and you can’t do that,” she told AAP FactCheck in a phone interview.

“You can’t isolate a virus without using a cell culture, so by using their definition it hasn’t been isolated. But it has been isolated and cultivated using a cell culture multiple times all around the world.”


The above quote is from a Facebook “factcheck.”

In layman’s terms, if using the agreed upon definition of isolation, virologists agree that they haven’t isolated a “virus” from everything else and admit that this logical requirement is impossible. But they rationalize that this is ok because it’s a “virus.” It is assumed (as this was never proven) that a “virus” needs a host cell (which should be from the host they take the “virus” from but try not to think too hard about that logical inconsistency) in order to grow and replicate. But not just any host cell will do. In the case of “SARS-COV-2,” it needs the kidney cells from an African Green Monkey.

But wait, there’s more!

It also needs to be immediately placed in “Viral” Transport Media after being taken from a patient. This normally consists of animal DNA, antibiotics, and other chemicals/nutrients. In order to grow, it needs fetal bovine serum (blood taken from the hearts of baby cows). In order to be free of bacteria, it needs 2 or 3 cell toxic antibiotics. In order to “eat,” it needs various unknown nutrients/chemicals in DMEM. All of this must be added to the unpurified sample (which in and of itself contains billions of particles) from a patient, mixed together, and then incubated for days.

Once the expected Cytopathogenic Effect (i.e. cell death) is seen in the petri dish, then and only then do virologists claim a “virus” been “isolated.”

Virology subscribes to subtraction through addition. Or, in other words, the exact opposite of isolation.

It is obvious no “virus” has ever been properly purified nor isolated. If you have to change the meaning of isolation in order to claim you isolated something, you never did.

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A good rule of thumb- don't start with your conclusions, but your arguments. That's especially true if your conclusions are incredibly insulting to the person you're responding to. What tends to happen is people subjected to such treatment tend to shut out any actual arguments you make after your insults. Some people do this by insulting the person who just insulted them, I prefer to simply point out why I tuned out.
It's insulting to tell someone the theory they support is garbage?

If you can't figure that out yourself, I can't help you.
 
I disagree.

I believe the "Settling the Virus Debate" statement makes it clear that virology has set itself up to be unfalsifiable. As such, it isn't science, but pseudoscience. It's understandable that most people can't see this though.
What you believe is unbelievable.

Obviously false, or I wouldn't believe it.

Since you claim that the theory of viruses is unfalsifiable tell us why that is the case that it can never be falsified.

I'm saying that it is unfalsifiable if one uses the illogic of virologists. I don't, so I -do- think that it's falsifiable.

It is easy to falsify the theory of viruses. You can do it in several ways. You can show that diseases are caused by another cause that is more likely.

There have certainly been efforts in that direction, but they tend to get cut short once someone in a position of authority proclaims that a given disease is caused by a biological virus. I've cited examples in the past, such as the case of polio:
 
How many people know the methodologies virologists employ, let alone the fact that they have insufficient controls?
Claiming that because people don't know the methodology it is wrong

That's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming that virology's methodology for finding biological viruses is pseudoscientific, but since most people are unaware of what methods need to be employed for a. methodology to be scientific, most people don't realize this.
 
Perhaps it'd be best to agree to disagree on that one.

Sure. The 2 page "Settling the Virus Debate" statement does it at the very top of the first page:
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“A small parasite consisting of nucleic acid (RNA or DNA) enclosed in a protein coat that canreplicate only in a susceptible host cell.”1

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They get this definition from a mainstream source:
1 Definition of ‘virus’ from Harvey Lodish, et al., Molecular Cell Biology, 4th ed, Freeman & Co., New York, NY, 2000:https://doi.org/10.1016/S1470-8175(01)00023-6

Where did you get the notion that I thought a picture was supposed to fit that definition? The correct way to see what something does is to -truly- isolate it from other things and only -then- introduce it back to things to ensure that any effects (such as the cytopathic effect) is actually caused by the thing you have isolated. The problem in the case of alleged biological viruses is that this has never been done. It has actually been alleged that it -can't- be done. Instead, various substances have been introduced to cells and one or more of the introduced substances have caused the cytopathic effect. There has never been any solid evidence that the microbes seen under electron microscopes were required to produce said cytopathic effects.

The "Settling the virus debate" statement makes it clear that providing evidence that a biological virus is actually required for observed cytopathic effects is quite important. It's literally in their first step for determining whether biological viruses exist. I've colored CPE, aka cytopathic effect in orange so you can skip to the word and backtrack from there if you like:
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We propose the following experiment as the first step in determining whether such an entity asa pathogenic human virus exists...

STEP ONE

5 virology labs worldwide would participate in this experiment and none would know the identities of theother participating labs. A monitor will be appointed to supervise all steps. Each of the 5 labs will receive fivenasopharyngeal samples from four categories of people (i.e. 20 samples each), who either:
1) are not currently in receipt of, or being treated for a medical diagnosis;

2) have received a diagnosis of lung cancer;
3) have received a diagnosis of influenza A (according to recognized guidelines); or who
4) have received a diagnosis of ‘COVID-19’ (through a PCR “test” or lateral flow assay.)
Each person’s diagnosis (or “non-diagnosis”) will be independently verified, and the pathology reports will bemade available in the study report. The labs will be blinded to the nature of the 20 samples they receive. Each lab will then attempt to “isolate” the viruses in question (Influenza A or SARS-CoV-2) from the samples or conclude that no pathogenic virus is present. Each lab will show photographs documenting the
CPE (cytopathic effect), if present, and explain clearly each step of the culturing process and materials used, including full details of the controls or “mock-infections”. Next, each lab will obtain independently verified electron microscope images of the “isolated” virus, if present, as well as images showing the absence of the virus (presumably, in the well people and people with lung cancer). The electron microscopist will also be blinded to the nature of the samples they are analyzing. All procedures will be carefully documented and monitored.

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Full statement:
Interesting. You claim the theory can't be falsified and then you propose a method to falsify it.

I think I've made it clear by now that I meant that -virologists- have used illogical arguments that, if followed, would make it impossible to falsify virology.
 
As far as I can tell, it was you who seemed to think we should first figure out what alleged biological viruses are doing before establishing if they even exist. If you'd like to try to explain why you think that -isn't- a logical fallacy, by all means do so.
You have to look at what is actually happening to determine the source. If people are getting sick, you start by looking how they are getting sick. Did they all stay or eat at a similar location?

Agreed so far...

Or were they not all in a similar location but you can trace their contact back through other people that had contact with others that were sick.

Here is where your logic fails. You are -assuming- that it's contact with other people that caused them to get sick. Unless you can -prove- that contact with others made a person sick, that's all you have, an assumption. There's another factor as well, and that is, even if contact with someone else somehow made a person sick, it still doesn't prove that a microbe was involved, let along a biological virus. For one, anyone who has been contaminated with transferable toxins or nuclear radiation could certainly make someone sick, but no microbe is involved in those cases.
 
Interestingly, the definition of biological viruses themselves has changed over time. At first, it apparently meant some form of chemical poison, according to Mike Stone:
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While Pasteur had this idea of how diseases were caused by microorganisms as early as the 1860s, he didn't put his hypothesis to the test until the late 1870s. In an 1878 lecture The Germ Theory And Its Applications To Medicine And Surgery read before the French Academy of Sciences on April 29th, 1878, Pasteur had already hypothesized that there was a “virus” (i.e. some form of chemical poison as the word didn't mean an obligate intracellular parasite at that time) in the solutions of the bacterial cultures that he was working with. He then went on to claim that this poison would accumulate within the body of the animal as the bacteria grew. Interestingly, he then noted that his hypothesis presupposes the forming and necessary existence of the bacteria, thus admitting that his hypothesis was not based upon any observed natural phenomenon.
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Source:

The irony is that I strongly believe that the idea that poison is the true cause of a lot of CPE (cytopathic effect) is the truth. Louis Pasteur couldn't find existence for bacteria causing the problem because there was none. Those who no longer believe in biological viruses say that there is in fact no viruses either, just microbes, such as exosomes, that are labelled as such.

I don't believe in unicorns, though I have heard that the idea of them may have come from rhinoceroses, which do have a big horn (as well as a smaller one, but the big one tends to stick out more). There are also narwhals, that were apparently killed and their horns then sold off as unicorn horns. My point is that electron microscopy has clearly seen various microbes and passed some of them off as biological viruses, but that doesn't mean that they actually have the parasitical characteristics that biological viruses are said to have.
Your argument that it is a poison and not a virus is easily shown to be impossible.

I strongly disagree with you there.

Poisons require a source of that poison.

Agreed.

Poison sources are localized and can only move with air or water currents.

No, people can transport poisons as well.

Poisons can't get on planes and fly half way around the globe from their original source

Again, that's just false, since planes themselves can and do generate poisons. Some web pages that can help you see the light on this:


Explain how a poison source in China within a month of the illness first being found suddenly poison people in Italy and in New York without mass poisoning of every place between Wuhan and New York or Wuhan and Italy.

Now we're getting into something else entirely, namely the belief that PCR tests can determine if someone is ill. Mike Stone gets into the PCR fallacy in an article he published in April, which can be seen here:

Quoting the relevant part:
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With the rise of molecular virology, genomics has played an ever-increasing role in the “viral” delusion. The advent of PCR in the 1980s led to the use of the DNA Xerox machine becoming a makeshift test to detect “viruses” based off of fragments from their genomes. However, as was clearly demonstrated during the “Covid-19 pandemic,” PCR is highly inaccurate and unsuitable for this purpose. What’s also evident is that genomes themselves are entirely unreliable, as virologists are unable to sequence the exact same genome every time. At the time of this writing, there are nearly 17 million variants of the same “SARS-COV-2 virus” running around.

Why is this the case? Setting aside the equally flawed foundations of the DNA paradigm for a moment, let’s address this hypothetically. If someone claims to have a “viral” genome, they must first possess the “virus” itself to extract its genetic material. For example, if I claim to have sequenced the genome of a dog, I would need to start with an actual dog—and ideally, have living specimens to confirm that the genome is both accurate and biologically meaningful. Without direct access to the entity in question, the genomic claim becomes baseless, and the entire premise collapses.

As discussed before, virologists are unable to purify and isolate the particles they claim are “viruses,” so the resulting genome comes from unpurified mixtures of RNA and DNA, including genetic material from humans, animals, bacteria, and other microorganisms. There is absolutely no way to tell where the genetic material is coming from nor whether it belongs to a single source, especially when sequenced from unpurified cell culture supernatant.

Even the WHO warned that passaging genetic material through cell cultures can introduce artificial mutations not present in the original sample, which can compromise subsequent analyses. They specifically advised against using cell culture “solely for the purpose of amplifying virus genetic material for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing.” Nonetheless, virologists continue to assemble hypothetical genomes—digital sequences of A, C, T, and G—claimed to represent a “virus” that has never been directly observed.

The so-called reference genome utilized to verify a newly assembled “viral” genome is not a sequence from a purified “viral” particle, but a consensus model—a stitched-together average built from multiple inconsistent and unverified samples. This process assumes the very thing it sets out to prove: that a coherent “virus” genome exists. The result is circular logic disguised as scientific progress.

To justify these digital constructs, virologists compare new models to old ones already stored in databases—sequences built on the same flawed assumptions. For example, the first “viral genome,” attributed to bacteriophage Φ-X174, was not derived from purified particles. Its sequence may have been nothing more than a patchwork of unrelated fragments, but it became a precedent that allowed decades of downstream error. The practice of validating present genomes by comparing them to past ones creates a closed loop, where consistency is mistaken for accuracy, allowing for the reinforcement of the original errors.


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The proliferation of millions of so-called “variants” further undermines the claim of a stable, identifiable “virus.” It also raises a critical question: how can one entity possess so many divergent genomic representations and still be considered the same thing? The theory becomes unfalsifiable when any deviation from the expected genome is labeled a “mutation” or “variant,” allowing any result to be reinterpreted to fit the narrative, no matter how inconsistent, rather than to challenge it.

I previously analyzed the CDC’s protocol for constructing “viral” genomes, highlighting numerous ways contamination and other factors can affect the final product. Technological limitations further complicate the process. The fact that there are numerous processing steps the samples must go through during the creation of a genome—each introducing alterations, artifacts, distortions, and errors—makes it easy to see that the final “viral genome” is nothing but a meaningless, indirect, and fraudulent representation of a non-existent entity.

Even virologists have acknowledged the problem. In 2001, Charles Calisher cautioned that detecting nucleic acid “is not equivalent to isolating a virus.” He warned against the “wholesale takeover by modern lab toys,” noting that “a string of DNA letters in a data bank” tells us little about how “viruses” work. Studying sequences alone, he said, is like “trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprints.”

Edward R. Dougherty, Scientific Director of the Center for Bioinformatics and Genomic Systems Engineering, echoed similar concerns. In a 2008 paper, he described an “epistemological crisis” in genomics. He warned that modern genomics often fails to meet the basic requirements of scientific method and epistemology. “The rules of the scientific game are not being followed,” he wrote. Accumulating large amounts of data may seem impressive, but data alone does not equal science. Dougherty stressed that contemporary genomic research often produces invalid knowledge, failing to qualify as true science.

This reliance on computer-generated genomes—standing in for an entity never shown to exist in a purified and isolated state—has led to the use of fragments from this fraudulent RNA assembly of unknown provenance as a means of detection via PCR. The results have been disastrous. Vast numbers of people have been tested and diagnosed with a computer-constructed “virus,” despite being entirely free of disease. Entire populations have been locked down, quarantined, and treated for something that exists only in silico, not in nature. There is no scientific evidence linking the A, C, T, and G sequences in digital databases to the unpurified particles selected in electron microscope images. In the end, it is pseudoscientific fraud—generated by computers and accepted by consensus.

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As I believe I've said in the past, I don't believe that the "entirety of the scientific/medical world" got together to "manufacture the lie of biological viruses". People believe -many- things that are false- religious beliefs perhaps being the most obvious. Did you know there are up to 40,000 distinct Christian groups/denominations worldwide? It's true:

I hope we can agree that, at best, only one of them can be completely right. Does that mean that all the other Christians "got together" to "manufacture" lies? No, it just means that people frequently reach conclusions that aren't supported by solid evidence.

In the case of how people came to believe that biological viruses not only exist but are incredibly dangerous, the start of that story comes from the work of people who started the concept of "germ theory", people such as Louis Pasteur who were known to use pseudoscience liberally in order to further their agenda. Mike Stone, author of the ViroLIEgy newsletter, has written articles on the subject of germ theory. He wrote one a few weeks ago, which can be seen here:

I'll just quote the first paragraph of the article below:
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To those familiar with my work, it comes as no surprise that I take great interest in highlighting the forgotten voices from the formative years of germ “theory” and virology—those who examined the rise of these pseudoscientific fields with critical eyes. These individuals had front-row seats to history, and they witnessed firsthand the unscientific, contradictory foundations that shaped our modern beliefs about health, disease, and wellness. They recognized the manipulation by vested interests and warned against the manufactured acceptance of germ “theory” by a fearful, uninformed public. And they spoke out—attempting to avert what they foresaw as a grave disaster.
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Hold on. You just compared religion to science. That does not work. Religion is based on faith because there is so little evidence for the existence of any God. Nobody has ever studied God because nobody has ever seen God to be able to study it.Science, like virology, is based on factual information. Things that you can see, manipulate, study, etc.

So explain how the entirety of the scientific world did not somehow get on board with what you are claiming. For example, in the '80s when HIV was discovered, biologists, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, etc all had to keep their mouth shut about the fact that biological viruses don't exist.

Explain how it would work if not the way I described. Are you saying that it's just pure luck that the scientific world ended up on the same page as far as HIV is concerned?
 
Oh, but I am. I don't know -anyone- who has researched the history of virology more than Mike Stone.

Because you only read 2 or 3 sources doesn't mean they are the one who has done the most research. Mike Stone has done no science. He has presented nothing but logical fallacies.
Because one person got something wrong isn't proof that viruses don't exist. It is proof that anyone that argues that is using a logical fallacy.
 
Obviously false, or I wouldn't believe it.
Because someone believes something doesn't mean it is logical or even possible. People still believe the Earth is flat.
I'm saying that it is unfalsifiable if one uses the illogic of virologists. I don't, so I -do- think that it's falsifiable.
It is you that is using illogic by claiming something is unfalsifiable when you refuse to even look at any science.
I asked you why it you think it can't be falsified and you simply avoided answering the question. Clearly you have no evidence to support your belief. If it was unfalsifiable you could express what the theory actually is and then show that there is no way to falsify it.
I have shown how easy it is to falsify the existence of a virus by explaining how a disease happens that would be more likely than a virus causing it. You have not been able to show any reasonable other explanation that meets any scientific rigor.
There have certainly been efforts in that direction, but they tend to get cut short once someone in a position of authority proclaims that a given disease is caused by a biological virus. I've cited examples in the past, such as the case of polio:

I already showed you that the use of pesticides doesn't even correlate with the spread of Polio. Rather than address that fact, you simply ignore it.
DDT use in the US didn't become widespread until after WW2. Polio existed before DDT was used.
Why was there a large Polio outbreak in 1917-1918 if DDT wasn't in use? The fact that Polio existed prior to DDT use falsifies any claim that DDT is a poison that causes Polio.
 
That's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming that virology's methodology for finding biological viruses is pseudoscientific, but since most people are unaware of what methods need to be employed for a. methodology to be scientific, most people don't realize this.
What a lovely logical fallacy you have presented us with. Because you think the methodology is wrong doesn't show viruses don't exist.

But in reality, it is you that is completely unaware of the methods used since you refuse to look at any of the papers that I provided that show viruses being isolated by 3 different ways. Your refusal to look at any evidence doesn't show that the methods are pseudoscientific. It only shows you are refusing to look at any evidence. You think the methodology is wrong but you don't even know what the methodology is.

This is you
Scott: - As to your papers, I'm not going to read any of them at this time,
 
I strongly disagree with you there.
You just have no actual argument. You only have your beliefs that are not supported by any evidence since you refuse to look at any evidence that shows your beliefs are not logical and not scientific.
Agreed.



No, people can transport poisons as well.
People can transport poisons but they can't transport enough poison to sicken millions that they don't come into contact with.
Again, that's just false, since planes themselves can and do generate poisons. Some web pages that can help you see the light on this:

LOL. If the air on a plane is toxic then how do thousands that were not on the plane get poisoned? A poison can't poison anyone that never comes into contact with the poison. You don't seem to see how your arguments are easily falsified and then you just run away from that evidence that your arguments are shown to be false and unbelievable in any real world scenario.
Now we're getting into something else entirely, namely the belief that PCR tests can determine if someone is ill. Mike Stone gets into the PCR fallacy in an article he published in April, which can be seen here:

Quoting the relevant part:
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With the rise of molecular virology, genomics has played an ever-increasing role in the “viral” delusion. The advent of PCR in the 1980s led to the use of the DNA Xerox machine becoming a makeshift test to detect “viruses” based off of fragments from their genomes. However, as was clearly demonstrated during the “Covid-19 pandemic,” PCR is highly inaccurate and unsuitable for this purpose. What’s also evident is that genomes themselves are entirely unreliable, as virologists are unable to sequence the exact same genome every time. At the time of this writing, there are nearly 17 million variants of the same “SARS-COV-2 virus” running around.

Why is this the case? Setting aside the equally flawed foundations of the DNA paradigm for a moment, let’s address this hypothetically. If someone claims to have a “viral” genome, they must first possess the “virus” itself to extract its genetic material. For example, if I claim to have sequenced the genome of a dog, I would need to start with an actual dog—and ideally, have living specimens to confirm that the genome is both accurate and biologically meaningful. Without direct access to the entity in question, the genomic claim becomes baseless, and the entire premise collapses.

As discussed before, virologists are unable to purify and isolate the particles they claim are “viruses,” so the resulting genome comes from unpurified mixtures of RNA and DNA, including genetic material from humans, animals, bacteria, and other microorganisms. There is absolutely no way to tell where the genetic material is coming from nor whether it belongs to a single source, especially when sequenced from unpurified cell culture supernatant.

Even the WHO warned that passaging genetic material through cell cultures can introduce artificial mutations not present in the original sample, which can compromise subsequent analyses. They specifically advised against using cell culture “solely for the purpose of amplifying virus genetic material for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing.” Nonetheless, virologists continue to assemble hypothetical genomes—digital sequences of A, C, T, and G—claimed to represent a “virus” that has never been directly observed.

The so-called reference genome utilized to verify a newly assembled “viral” genome is not a sequence from a purified “viral” particle, but a consensus model—a stitched-together average built from multiple inconsistent and unverified samples. This process assumes the very thing it sets out to prove: that a coherent “virus” genome exists. The result is circular logic disguised as scientific progress.

To justify these digital constructs, virologists compare new models to old ones already stored in databases—sequences built on the same flawed assumptions. For example, the first “viral genome,” attributed to bacteriophage Φ-X174, was not derived from purified particles. Its sequence may have been nothing more than a patchwork of unrelated fragments, but it became a precedent that allowed decades of downstream error. The practice of validating present genomes by comparing them to past ones creates a closed loop, where consistency is mistaken for accuracy, allowing for the reinforcement of the original errors.


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The proliferation of millions of so-called “variants” further undermines the claim of a stable, identifiable “virus.” It also raises a critical question: how can one entity possess so many divergent genomic representations and still be considered the same thing? The theory becomes unfalsifiable when any deviation from the expected genome is labeled a “mutation” or “variant,” allowing any result to be reinterpreted to fit the narrative, no matter how inconsistent, rather than to challenge it.

I previously analyzed the CDC’s protocol for constructing “viral” genomes, highlighting numerous ways contamination and other factors can affect the final product. Technological limitations further complicate the process. The fact that there are numerous processing steps the samples must go through during the creation of a genome—each introducing alterations, artifacts, distortions, and errors—makes it easy to see that the final “viral genome” is nothing but a meaningless, indirect, and fraudulent representation of a non-existent entity.

Even virologists have acknowledged the problem. In 2001, Charles Calisher cautioned that detecting nucleic acid “is not equivalent to isolating a virus.” He warned against the “wholesale takeover by modern lab toys,” noting that “a string of DNA letters in a data bank” tells us little about how “viruses” work. Studying sequences alone, he said, is like “trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprints.”

Edward R. Dougherty, Scientific Director of the Center for Bioinformatics and Genomic Systems Engineering, echoed similar concerns. In a 2008 paper, he described an “epistemological crisis” in genomics. He warned that modern genomics often fails to meet the basic requirements of scientific method and epistemology. “The rules of the scientific game are not being followed,” he wrote. Accumulating large amounts of data may seem impressive, but data alone does not equal science. Dougherty stressed that contemporary genomic research often produces invalid knowledge, failing to qualify as true science.

This reliance on computer-generated genomes—standing in for an entity never shown to exist in a purified and isolated state—has led to the use of fragments from this fraudulent RNA assembly of unknown provenance as a means of detection via PCR. The results have been disastrous. Vast numbers of people have been tested and diagnosed with a computer-constructed “virus,” despite being entirely free of disease. Entire populations have been locked down, quarantined, and treated for something that exists only in silico, not in nature. There is no scientific evidence linking the A, C, T, and G sequences in digital databases to the unpurified particles selected in electron microscope images. In the end, it is pseudoscientific fraud—generated by computers and accepted by consensus.

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Logical fallacy on your part. Whether a PCR test works or not has no bearing on whether viruses exist. The only logical conclusion you can draw from a PCR test that doesn't work is the PCR test doesn't work. It certainly doesn't show that viruses don't exist. All you are doing is showing us you don't understand logic.
 
That's not what I'm claiming. I'm claiming that virology's methodology for finding biological viruses is pseudoscientific, but since most people are unaware of what methods need to be employed for a. methodology to be scientific, most people don't realize this.
You are claiming that you know the methodology when you refuse to actually look at the methodology. I have presented multiple papers showing how viruses are isolated and you refuse to look at any of them and rely on your ignorance.

Scott: - As to your papers, I'm not going to read any of them at this time,

The reality is it is you that knows almost nothing about the methodology of DNA sequencing, virus isolation and how diseases spread.
 
Agreed so far...



Here is where your logic fails. You are -assuming- that it's contact with other people that caused them to get sick. Unless you can -prove- that contact with others made a person sick, that's all you have, an assumption. There's another factor as well, and that is, even if contact with someone else somehow made a person sick, it still doesn't prove that a microbe was involved, let along a biological virus.
You seem to be completely ignorant of contact tracing. It occurs with bacterial infections that can pass from human to human. Contact tracing can also show the spread of a viral infection. . If A is sick and has contact with B. Then B gets sick and has contact with C. C gets sick and has contact with D who then gets sick. This goes on for multiple contacts with X never having had contact with A, B, C, D and being located hundreds of miles from where they were. That makes it unlikely if not impossible for X to be sick from a poison that got A, B, C and D sick. Contact tracing doesn't prove that someone got sick from that contact but it becomes the most likely way if there is no other ways to be found. Poisons can be traced to a source. They weaken as they spread from that source. Poisons can't increase in toxicity as they spread. Viral and bacterial infections retain the same ability as they spread.
For one, anyone who has been contaminated with transferable toxins or nuclear radiation could certainly make someone sick, but no microbe is involved in those cases.
The problem with your claim is that it violates reality.
Nuclear radiation is easy to test for. It can't pass through multiple persons since each time it passes from one person to the next it will be diluted. By the time it gets to the 10th or 11th level contact it will have been diluted to the point it can't sicken. It certainly can't spread to someone that has never been near the source.
It's would be the same way with a transferable toxin. Without a way to multiply itself it will be diluted over time. Then poisons are also easily tested for. If there is no poison then the person can't be sickened by that poison that doesn't exist where that person was.

Please show us any toxin or nuclear material that increases in strength or toxicity as it passes from person to person and is diluted. No such thing exists to my knowledge without it having the ability to reproduce. Since you claim such a thing exists, show us one instance of it existing.

It's impossible for DDT to be a poison that causes Polio if Polio occurs and the person has never had any contact with DDT. You don't seem to understand this simple logic.
 
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