I have been told that Putin was brought to power at the turn of the century because the Russian elites had figured out that the West was not their friend, that it was out to destroy Russia.....Putins orders were to save the place. This plan to attack Russia through Ukraine that we watched take place in 2014, some say also earlier....2007 I think....was already roughly hatched in Washington and London by Putins first day in office. Had the Russians waited much longer to try to save themselves it might well have not been possible.....we see very clearly how devoted to destroying Russia the so called collective West is today.
Trump Putin summit
- Thread starter FastLane
- Start date
Scott
Verified User
I didn't see evidence of a coup in Ukraine before Euromaidan, which is why I agree with Hans here. But I strongly suspect that you're right that Russia's decision to start its military operation in 2022 was the right thing to do, especially since it Ukraine's army that had started attacking the Donbass region just days before Putin finally decided to start his operation. I know of only one author who makes this point clearly, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in the following article:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
Scott
Verified User
If you're saying that Russia couldn't wait any longer to counter the West's influence in Ukraine then its military operation in 2022 if it wanted to survive, I think you may well be right. Regardless, however, I think it was probably the right thing to do- 8 years of trying to resolve the civil war in Ukraine proved absolutely fruitless and I can see how Russia's government would grow tired of having ethnic Russians and Russian speakers killed just west of its border. Putin said as much in the speech he gave the day he started his military operation:
**
This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.
As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.
**
Source:
Address by the President of the Russian Federation
en.kremlin.ru
I listen to him often.I didn't see evidence of a coup in Ukraine before Euromaidan, which is why I agree with Hans here. But I strongly suspect that you're right that Russia's decision to start its military operation in 2022 was the right thing to do, especially since it Ukraine's army that had started attacking the Donbass region just days before Putin finally decided to start his operation. I know of only one author who makes this point clearly, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in the following article:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
Could not wait much longer than 2000 to resist Western aggression against it...... the plan to break up Russia and make it impossible for them to regroup was already solidly in Washington and London.....they had just been through several years of the Rape of Russia and economic devastation....the plan was to make it worse and make it permanent.If you're saying that Russia couldn't wait any longer to counter the West's influence in Ukraine then its military operation in 2022 if it wanted to survive, I think you may well be right. Regardless, however, I think it was probably the right thing to do- 8 years of trying to resolve the civil war in Ukraine proved absolutely fruitless and I can see how Russia's government would grow tired of having ethnic Russians and Russian speakers killed just west of its border. Putin said as much in the speech he gave the day he started his military operation:
**
This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.
As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.
**
Source:
Address by the President of the Russian Federation
The West has never forgiven Putin for saving the Russians bacon. Regardless of Trump the total war against Russia will continue.
Scott
Verified User
I haven't seen solid evidence that the West -planned- Russia's destruction as far back as the year 2000, but I know the west certainly wasn't helping Russia out of its hole at the time.
Scott
Verified User
In this case, I'm not so concerned about "successes" so much as avoiding the ultimate failure- a nuclear war with Russia.
Former US Vice President Dick Cheney, a lead architect of the Iraq War, not only wanted to dismantle the Soviet Union; he also wanted to break up Russia itself, to prevent it from rising again as a significant political power.
Balkanizing Russia, as NATO did to former Yugoslavia, is a fantasy shared by many hawks in the US national security state. They will never tolerate an independent government in Moscow, regardless of whether or not it is socialist.
Former US Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that, “When the Soviet Union was collapsing in late 1991, Dick wanted to see the dismantlement not only of the Soviet Union and the Russian empire but of Russia itself, so it could never again be a threat.”
Gates made these comments in his 2014 memoir “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War.” This quote was highlighted on Twitter by journalist Jon Schwarz.
Dick Cheney confirmed US goal to break up Russia as country, not just USSR - Geopolitical Economy Report
Ex Vice President Dick Cheney wanted to break up Russia, not just the USSR. Balkanization is a bipartisan foreign-policy goal among top US national security state officials.
geopoliticaleconomy.com
𝐃𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐝 𝐙
@SMO_VZ
They wanted Russia in pieces. Putin made damn sure it didn’t happenVladimir Putin, reflecting on 25 years at the helm of post-Soviet Russia, didn’t mince words. In a new Kremlin documentary marking his first inauguration in 2000, he laid out what many in the Global Majority already understand: Russia is alone in a civilizational battle against the entire Western order.“Russia is essentially standing alone against the collective West… This ‘civilized world’ decided that Russia had weakened… and the remaining parts needed to be finished off.”This is no longer a secret — it’s the endgame. The “rules-based order” was never about fairness or democracy. It was always about slicing Russia up like a geopolitical carcass: Balkanize it. Loot it. And leave its people stripped of sovereignty and soul.Putin says the plan was to break the Russian Federation into “4 or 5 pieces.” Sound familiar? That’s the same imperial playbook they ran on Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, and tried on Syria. Except this time, the bear was ready.The Special Military Operation isn’t just a regional affair, it’s the last firewall against total imperial conquest. And Ukraine? Just the tip of the spear. A blood-soaked battering ram financed by Washington and its NATO vassals.“This is an existential war,” Putin said. “And many in the West have finally admitted it.”They weren’t prepared for a Russia that refused to kneel, that fortified its economy, rebuilt its military, and forged ironclad ties with China, Iran, Africa, Latin America, and the Eurasian heartland. A multipolar world has emerged, not from G7 think tanks, but from the ashes of every Western betrayal.The empire is rattled. Because Russia didn’t just survive, it rewrote the rules.Welcome to Year 25. The gloves are off.
TOP
Retired Teacher
It's Top Derangement Syndrome...Why does stating something that's been reported in the news make TOP a "simple minded weirdo"?
Zelenskyy to meet Trump on Monday after U.S.-Russia summit secured no halt to war in Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will meet Monday in Washington with U.S. President Donald Trump, who has shifted to saying an overall peace agreement — and not a ceasefire — is the next step in ending the 3 1/2-year-old war.www.pbs.org
My grandson had his first baseball practice yesterday. I have been working with him. He is a good thrower and is a natural switch hitter. He is pumped to play.
That’s great. Switch hitting is great…and rare at that age.
In our league, 7 and 8’s play with 9 and 10’s.
It’s a great experience.
The former County Tax Commissioner and I coached fall ball for years for my two boys and his.
I can’t wait…only 1 game per week on Saturdays.
TOP
Retired Teacher
I really do...A wonderful celebration will take place on the thread recognizing that very fact...the anniversary is just days away...
TOP
Retired Teacher
What fun...I hope the kids have great experiences...
The teeny ones here play on our elementary school field which is right across the street...All the neighbors make sure to be out to cheer them on...They get so excited!!!
He has got an awesome coach. The guy was a previous pro baseball player for Baltimore and the Rangers for a couple years.