Gallup Poll shows largest Republican lead ever

Tits&Ass said:
Topspin was being sarcastic. He pointed out that Jimmy Carter was a failure, as well as a nerdy, white, Southern planter, whereas Obama is a cool, black Northerner, who plays basketball.
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He's "cool" according to TopWigger, because he's black. Thanks for making my point.
 
Southern Man said:
No he just has darker skin, so you think he's cool. There's nothing remotely cool about a socialist trying to destroy America from within; I don't care what the fuck color of his skin is.
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Look at who's talking. So far with the exception of this oil spill and HCR Obama has spent most of his administration cleaning one Bush fuck up after the other. Iraq, Afghanistan, Economic catastrophe. OK, So Obama could potentially be a one timer Caratersque President. He still woudln't have even remotely come even close the the damage done by right wing authoritarians fuck ups like Bush who couldn't lead a duck to water. I mean Bush is legitimately compared to Harding, Cooledge and Grant as being one of the worst US President ever. Fucking Obama would have to have a frontal lobotomy to drop to that level of bad.

To be honest, look at who the Repubs got. Palin? Give me a break, she's a joke. Huckabee? Not much better. Name one candidate the Republicans have who either isn't an outside the mainstream redneck or is a fucking joke like Palin? Mitt Romney is about the only mother fucker you got and by southern redneck standards he's a fucking commie! LOL

There's a lot of time between now and November. Let's see what the Repubs can do to fuck it up.
 
Topspin said:
Carter was clueless as are most liberals, get off oil. LOFL
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So what's your point? Carter was still Albert fucking Einstein compared to Bush and as politically inept as Carter was his administration was a brilliant success compared to the inept, bumbling, disastrous cluster fuck that was W. My guess is that for the next 10 to 20 years Presidents will still be taking the heat for cleaning up Bush's legacy.
 
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the nation's political pendulum is swinging in favour of the Republican party, massively so

that being shown... what have the non-coital sexual habits of males to do with it?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Look at who's talking. So far with the exception of this oil spill and HCR Obama has spent most of his administration cleaning one Bush fuck up after the other. Iraq, Afghanistan, Economic catastrophe. OK, So Obama could potentially be a one timer Caratersque President. He still woudln't have even remotely come even close the the damage done by right wing authoritarians fuck ups like Bush who couldn't lead a duck to water. I mean Bush is legitimately compared to Harding, Cooledge and Grant as being one of the worst US President ever. Fucking Obama would have to have a frontal lobotomy to drop to that level of bad.

To be honest, look at who the Repubs got. Palin? Give me a break, she's a joke. Huckabee? Not much better. Name one candidate the Republicans have who either isn't an outside the mainstream redneck or is a fucking joke like Palin? Mitt Romney is about the only mother fucker you got and by southern redneck standards he's a fucking commie! LOL

There's a lot of time between now and November. Let's see what the Repubs can do to fuck it up.
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Nice try at changing the subject. 'Bush sucks, Palin sucks.'

Grow up Mott.
 
SSgt said:
Topspin was being sarcastic. He pointed out that Jimmy Carter was a failure, as well as a nerdy, white, Southern planter, whereas Obama is a cool, black Northerner, who plays basketball. Both are failures, but one is better equipped to deflect criticism by virtue of the cool factor. On the Republican front, its like how Reagan, the Teflon president, could always deflect criticism while Nixon was like a glue stick. Clinton was a lot like Reagan in this respect, whereas Bush Sr. and Gore (the Veeps) were not as showy as their bosses.
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The only problem with that Analysis is that Obama has only been President for less then 18 months.

But let look at things objectively.

On the plus side, since Obama has taken over, a degree on competence now exists in the Iraq effort, down sizing our involvement and reducing troop numbers and expenditures have occurred and there's a greater degree of stability. Obama was also able to manage Bush's fiscal disaster to the point where he was able to prevent a a serious economic collapse that caused one of the worst recesions in our history and Obama's administration prevented it from becoming another great depression. Obama was also, albeit compromised to death, implemented on of the nations biggest and most needed reforms in Health Care reform. Something Presidents have been trying to do since Truman. Where 11 Presidents who preceded Obama had tried and failed, Obama succeeded. Obama also was responsible for a needed though very controversial move in subsidizing two of our major auto manufacturers to prevent their collapse. Allowing them to collapse, as some free market morons had suggested, would have resulted in a catastrophic economic spin off affect that would have destroyed thousands of businesses and would have cost hundreds of thousands of jobs.

On the down side Obama has been slow to react politically to the race based tea party political opposition showing a disconcerting degree of political naivete and though he deserves serious credit for the work done on health care reform, considering the failures of his predecessors on that issue, he allowed it to be seriously compromised when he underestimated opposition to reform that almost cost reform all together. Obama has also been perceived as slow to address the jobs/employment situation that were a result of the Bush recession. Obama has also been slow to respond to the scope of the BP disaster.

So all in all, Obama has started out with his plate full and, by all measures, has gotten a lot accomplished in a short period of time and spent a large amount of political capital in the process but let's kill the hyperbole. Obama has been political naive in certain areas but not to the degree that Carter was and though Carter proved politically inept he was a competent administrator. Point being, Obama has not demonstrated Carters level of political short comings but any comparison, at this time, to the bumbling, inept and complete incompetence that was the George W. Bush administration is a fucking major league joke.
 
evince said:
Lets remember Carter was right about all this drilling and spilling mess and the need for us to be oil independent.

Yeah vote for the republicans who are in the pocket of big oil that gave us this mess by vertue of sleeping with and doing drugs with the oil people instead of making them meet the needed standards of safety to prevent this mess.

Americans would be idiots to vote them back in.
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Carter was right about a lot of things. On issues of policy and administration Carter was (is) an extremely bright fellow. Carter's problem was that as President he made some stupendous political blunders that substantially reduced his effectiveness as Chief Executive.

To be fair though, Carter gets a lot of shit from southern wingnut conservatives for the same reason that Clinton did, because he's viewed as an apostate by southern conservatives. Carter just lacked Clinton's moral deficiencies.
 
SSgt said:
Right, because the Dems don't get millions in donations from big oil as well...
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...which is way less than Repubs get. They shouldn't make this a talking point.

According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Republicans receive far more campaign money from the oil and gas industry than do Democrats.

So far in 2010, the oil and gas industries have contributed $12.8 million to all candidates, with 71% of that money going to Republicans. During the 2008 election cycle, 77% of the industry’s $35.6 million in contributions went to Republicans, and in the 2008 presidential contest, Republican candidate Sen. John McCain received more than twice as much money from the oil and gas industries as Obama: McCain collected $2.4 million; Obama, $898,000.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/24/palin-oil-cash/
 
Mott, the problems with Iraq from the beginning always were a result of Rumsfeld sending in half as many troops as were needed. Downsizing the war effort now is fairly out of context, circa 2010.

And congrats on your admiration of Carter. He still sucked.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Tell me about it. I still haven't been able to shake this nasty case of athletes foot from all that toe tapping!
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Mott the fact remains that there are sickos in both Parties. Yours just makes excuses for them and more or less embraces them, while mine outright rejects them. I'd therefore guess that there are many more "toe tappers" in the Democrat Party than the GOP, but as long as they keep it in the closet and with consenting adults I don't really care.
 
evince said:
What the fuck are we going to use as fuel when oil is gone?

You people are so short sighted its killing the world and the US.

If we had gone full force into developing alternative fuels when Cater suggested it we would be already been way down the road we will have to go down no what happens.

Damn am I sick of the idiots who hate science and history killing all of the smart ideas.
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wow, ask your GED provider. You'll be gone long before the oil is.
 
Onceler said:
1) You're right in that we should have been aggressively developing alternatives since the '70's. It's actually fairly tragic how many new ideas never even got off the ground because big oil spent billions in Washington to make sure they never saw the light of day.

2) You're wrong in thinking it's just the GOP. Big oil owns Washington - I don't have the stats, but I'd wager that they outspend every other lobby by a considerable margin.
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we have been aggressively developing to the tune of billions, solar and wind are still no where near cost competetive.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So what's your point? Carter was still Albert fucking Einstein compared to Bush and as politically inept as Carter was his administration was a brilliant success compared to the inept, bumbling, disastrous cluster fuck that was W. My guess is that for the next 10 to 20 years Presidents will still be taking the heat for cleaning up Bush's legacy.
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My point is Obama is barrelling (pun intended) down the path of 1 term ala Carter.
 
Topspin said:
My point is Obama is barrelling (pun intended) down the path of 1 term ala Carter.
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I doubt it. First, who the fuck do the Repubs have? Palin? Huckabee? Mit Romney is the only one I've seen they have waiting in the wings that can speak at more then a 3rd grade level and he aint exactly feeling the love from the wingnut base. I can assure you that no Ronald Reagan is presently standing in the wings and with that being the case even Carter would beat Sarah Palin or what ever old white fart the party of primogeniture can come up with. Secondly, recet data is showing that democrats are more motivated to turn out then Republicans. In the last four primaries the total turn out of Democrats was substantially more then Republicans. That was particularly shocking in Kentucky where only about 350, 000 Repubs showed up to 500,000 Dems in what is a seriously Republican State.

Yea, if Obama allows the oil spill to kidnap his administration he could go down the path of Carter. I have a sneaky hunch that won't happen. It will boil down to jobs and weather or not the Repubs can find a viable candidate and the later seems pretty questionable at the moment.
 
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