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IBDaMann said:
Too funny! I was the one who declared that only the Doctrine of Fascism can speak to fascism, and posted a link to the text ... while you still have not read it. In fact, you haven't supported any of your assertions, because you cannot, because they are all wrong.
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I have read it. Here's the relevant part.

'We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.'
 
IBDaMann said:
Nice pivot. Dial it back. Answer the question. What part of National Socialist Workers Party isn't far left?
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The discussion isn't about Nazism. Focus.

BTW I bet you believe that North Korea is democratic and a republic because "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" contains those words.

Am I right? Or are you going to admit it's a fallacy?
 
AProudLefty said:
I have read it. Here's the relevant part. 'We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.'
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Nope. You don't know what Gentile meant. Hint: he wasn't talking about our modern political contexts.

Here's that actual relevant part in that section:
Thus the scientific socialism of Marx links up to the utopian socialism of the Fouriers, the Owens, the Saint-Simons; thus the liberalism of the XIXth century traces its origin back to the illuministic movement of the XVIIIth, and the doctrines of democracy to those of the Encyclopaedists.

Here is where Gentile makes his divisions.
 
AProudLefty said:
The discussion isn't about Nazism. Focus.
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Your king is tipped.

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IBDaMann said:
Nope. You don't know what Gentile meant. Hint: he wasn't talking about our modern political contexts.

Here's that actual relevant part in that section:
Thus the scientific socialism of Marx links up to the utopian socialism of the Fouriers, the Owens, the Saint-Simons; thus the liberalism of the XIXth century traces its origin back to the illuministic movement of the XVIIIth, and the doctrines of democracy to those of the Encyclopaedists.

Here is where Gentile makes his divisions.
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That's history.
 
Hume said:
Post your definition of "fascism."
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Fascism is a dictatorial form of government that uses Statist Capitalism, a form of socialism as its economic basis. The dictator focuses on a variety of socialist programs intended to enhance and encourage Nationalism among the populace. The focus is on equal outcomes, something that is a common narrative of the Left.

The difference between Communism and Fascism is Communism is internationalist, focused on a One-World government as this is necessary to for it to work on a mass sale. Fascism on the other hand is nationalist, focused on the nation state and it being an insular entity.

Outside of that, both are highly Socialist states with the government controlling the economy, society, and population. Both are radical Leftist in nature with only that one difference in terms of where the government is focused to distinguish between them.

Now, it's your turn to try and explain why fascism in on the Right.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Fascism is a dictatorial form of government that uses Statist Capitalism, a form of socialism as its economic basis. The dictator focuses on a variety of socialist programs intended to enhance and encourage Nationalism among the populace. The focus is on equal outcomes, something that is a common narrative of the Left.

The difference between Communism and Fascism is Communism is internationalist, focused on a One-World government as this is necessary to for it to work on a mass sale. Fascism on the other hand is nationalist, focused on the nation state and it being an insular entity.

Outside of that, both are highly Socialist states with the government controlling the economy, society, and population. Both are radical Leftist in nature with only that one difference in terms of where the government is focused to distinguish between them.

Now, it's your turn to try and explain why fascism in on the Right.
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Your made-up definition. No historian will take you seriously.

Fascism is far right. Even Mussolini said it tends to the right.

I know how much you hate the nebulous Left. Something you never explained.

Communism is far left. Fascism is far right. They blend.
 
Hume said:
So capitalism is based in socialism.
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No, there are multiple forms of socialism. One form is statist capitalism.

In statist capitalism what gets produced, and by whom, is decided by the state. The means of production remain in private hands but those running the actual businesses have little or no say in what they can produce. The state decides that for them.

In communist socialism, the state controls the means of production as well. It's an almost meaningless difference as the state controls the economy either way.

If you can't grasp that idea, too bad. I'd have to say you simply cannot fathom complex ideas.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In statist capitalism what gets produced, and by whom, is decided by the state. The means of production remain in private hands but those running the actual businesses have little or no say in what they can produce. The state decides that for them.
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Like Trump telling universities what they can teach.
 
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