Ignorance and the Bible

[Based Chad]

The only posters using rational literary criticism of the Bible on this thread are the two agnostics: me and Dutch

Both the atheists and the religionists are reading the Bible as strictly and as literally as the most conservative fire-and-brimstone Pentecostal would.

There is zero archeological evidence of mass destruction of towns, and mass graves in early biblical Israel.

The tribes who were supposedly totally wiped out make appearances chronologically later on in the Bible.

The rational conclusion is that while there may have been conflict and skirmishes, the scribes recording the oral tradition were using hyperbole and exaggeration as literary license.

wrong.

morality is rational. and you refuse to engage.

you're Zionist irrational shills full of lies.

 

[Based Chad]

The only posters using rational literary criticism of the Bible on this thread are the two agnostics: me and Dutch

Both the atheists and the religionists are reading the Bible as strictly and as literally as the most conservative fire-and-brimstone Pentecostal would.

There is zero archeological evidence of mass destruction of towns, and mass graves in early biblical Israel.

The tribes who were supposedly totally wiped out make appearances chronologically later on in the Bible.

The rational conclusion is that while there may have been conflict and skirmishes, the scribes recording the oral tradition were using hyperbole and exaggeration as literary license.

the murderousness of god was real though, even if you cannot find the evidence.

fuck that god.

 

[Based Chad]

Fuck the god of the israelites.

 

[Based Chad]

maybe if they weren't doing genocide in $currentYear, I would feel differently.

they are obviously led far fucking astray from anything holy.

 

[Based Chad]

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[Margot]

That's a unique dodge.

 

[Margot]

Not really "dumb luck", but yes they occur naturally.

I like the eye example because so many Intelligent Design propentists (lol) find it baffling. Here's how the eye seems to have arisen, complete with evidence in the actual animal record.

So just dum luck? That's what you're selling?

 

[gmark77]

maybe if they weren't doing genocide in $currentYear, I would feel differently.

Are you using a program to create your posts?????????????

 

[Based Chad]

Are you using a program to create your posts?????????????

IM a programmer. or Used to be.

I like to have fun with symbols.

 

[gmark77]

So just dum luck? That's what you're selling?

This is why religion has no role in the sciences.

 

[Based Chad]

This is why religion has no role in the sciences.

religion properly framed is about morality.

yes. how should we treat each other?

I know my answer.

golden rule to infinity.

this is the evolution of mankind.

it's not robots and AI and destructive implants.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Yeah, I can see they probably make you feel bad for not having had a logic class.

The resurrection story is equally full of scientific impossibilities and contradictions. But I repeat myself.

So a gall bladder heart,penis,liver,just happened to come to gather and work together by dumb luck.

This is why religion has no role in the sciences.

Atheism and theism...

...birds of a feather.

Nothing different about them except for the place where their blind guesses lead them.

 

[Margot]

This is why religion has no role in the sciences.

So Scientists created the universe?

 

[Margot]

This is why religion has no role in the sciences.

Do you mean organized religion?

 

[Margot]

religion properly framed is about morality.

yes. how should we treat each other?

I know my answer.

golden rule to infinity.

this is the evolution of mankind.

it's not robots and AI and destructive implants.

Religion is about, how the heck do I get out of here alive,because I'm A fuck up,and so is everyone else

 

[gmark77]

Do you mean organized religion?

No, I mean religion. Especially the kind that is made up by the individual believer, which is almost all of them.

 

[Based Chad]

Religion is about, how the heck do I get out of here alive,because I'm A fuck up,and so is everyone else

sounds like you need firearms training, not a moral code.

moral codes stop you from getting into that situation.

 

[Based Chad]

No, I mean religion. Especially the kind that is made up by the individual believer, which is almost all of them.

the individual believer is the only honest interpretation.

the "power organization" interpretations serve the dark side.

 

[domer76]

You're right, that there is a traditional belief in the Virgin Mary.
People who believe in a supernatural being believe he is capable of miracles.
On this planet, you are in small minority that believes that the ultimate explanation for life, the universe, and everything is inanimate matter and energy

Atheists believe in miracles too, though they generally don't recognize that they do.
I don't see the Virgin birth as a crucial flaw to get stressed about..

Tradition aside, the birth as nothing to do with salvation, which are based on asking forgiveness for your sins and believing in redemptive power of the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.

Now, in a sacramental religion like Catholicism, I can't think of any sacraments that directly involves the birth narrative in Luke.

A required belief in the death and resurrection is not forgiveness. It’s atonement. Actually, it’s blood atonement. Human sacrifice. True forgiveness has no strings attached.

A question that Christians have never satisfactorily answered is why their god requires that commitment for salvation. Jesus preached that if one truly felt sorry for their sins and repented, they would be forgiven. Period. Paul and those later changed that message with their own.

 

[gmark77]

the individual believer is the only honest interpretation.

Because then it's possible to create God in the exact image that the believer needs him to be. God comports perfectly with the believer's imagination.