Wonder why the left doesn't think there is a trans problem?

[T. A. Gardner]

I have just seen several studies marking the increase of suicide to correlate to it being illegal.

You have presented one. That one is poorly done as it only looks at the group related to itself.

 

[Hume]

You have presented one. That one is poorly done as it only looks at the group related to itself.

so?

 

[Nomad]

Because guns are a tool. The problem is violent, criminal people, not the tool(s) they chose to use to carry out those acts.

The excessive availability of these "tools" takes the problem of people with violent tendencies and makes it many times worse. If guns, the deadliest of all weapons, were not so over abundant, easily and readily available, these incidents would not be happening.

There's a young male problem and that has always existed. The problem today is that young males lack role models, healthy outlets for their energy and emotions, and in general are being kicked to the curb mostly as a result of Leftist ideas being implemented on society.

So first you say the young male problem has "always existed", then you blame it on them being "kicked to the curb" due to "leftist ideas" which are only a modern day occurrence.

How are males being kicked to the curb?

Sounds like right-wing slanted psychobabble you pulled out of your butt in order to deflect responsibility for the right's unyielding adherence to allowing unfettered access to guns by any unstable nutcase with enough money to purchase one. Or several.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

so?

You can't compare a group to itself and draw conclusions about conditions outside of that group.

 

[Kurmugeon]

You said "No discernable group in society comes close to their suicide rate and it's so high it cannot be attributed to persecution or social actions against them."

What logic do you have for that conclusion? It's likely so high because they are bullied and ostracized at rates that the vast majority of people are not. But there could be many factors - you're not making a sound, scientific conclusion.

So you want to give a pass to Trans for committing murder and mass shootings because they are picked on? Well, being nice to them and showering them with praise and attention after they kill children will certainly discourage them from doing it again!

That is Insane!

That is a recipe for chaos and anarchy!

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[AProudLefty]

So you want to give a pass to Trans for committing murder and mass shootings because they are picked on? Well, being nice to them and showering them with praise and attention after they kill children

 

[Kurmugeon]

By far, most violence is committed not with guns, but by blunt force trauma by any nearby object.

Are you going to ban bricks and rocks? Good luck gathering up and locking away all the rocks in America.

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[AProudLefty]

@T. A. Gardner's proof that society has no influence on trans suicide? "They did it more than other groups".

Bad logic. Won't win in any debate.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The excessive availability of these "tools" takes the problem of people with violent tendencies and makes it many times worse. If guns, the deadliest of all weapons, were not so over abundant, easily and readily available, these incidents would not be happening.

Nonsense. In the UK when they banned firearms virtually entirely, there was a drop initially following the ban then a rise in knife and edged weapons violence that has exceeded the previous rates with firearms. Now the UK is moving towards banning knives. It already has absurdly strict knife laws in place.

So first you say the young male problem has "always existed", then you blame it on them being "kicked to the curb" due to "leftist ideas" which are only a modern day occurrence.

How are males being kicked to the curb?

A Man in Part: The Decline of the Western Male | Andrew Shivone

Quarterly Review of the Pontifical John Paul II Institute in Washington D.C.

humanumreview.com

This one notes the problem but never gets to a conclusion or reason for it really

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/02/men-left-behind

https://www.enotalone.com/article/relationships/the-emasculation-of-men-a-societal-shift-r23599/

Sounds like right-wing slanted psychobabble you pulled out of your butt in order to deflect responsibility for the right's unyielding adherence to allowing unfettered access to guns by any unstable nutcase with enough money to purchase one. Or several.

It's the Left's psychobabble that is the problem here.

 

[Kurmugeon]

You're mischaracterizing what I said. I'm not giving a pass to anyone.

But you seem to be generalizing.

Statistics is the mathematical process of methodical generalizing to find answers, and often bad actors. It is what Crime Profilers do!

I am not a Crime Profiler, but I work for them programing statistical analysis from time to time.

I can also tell you what stocks to buy, which to not buy. Right now, Cracker-barrel stock is the hottest item out there. Low now, soon to be high! But that doesn't take math, just common sense.

The Lefties destroy everything they touch! No wonder Trans are in such a bad state. The Lefties are all over them, touching, squeezing, fondling, and pushing things into them... Bill and his cigars... and Hillary too! yuck!


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[Kurmugeon]

By all the studies I cited. There are plenty more where those came from. In one case the researchers looked at suicide rates among American slaves and couldn't find anything close to the rates trans people have. People in concentration camps don't off themselves at those rates. Prisons don't have that sort of rate.

The only demographic group which comes close is people with stage4 terminal cancer.

A person would be better off drinking nuclear power plant core cooling water spiced with Lithium Battery Ooze, than becoming Trans.


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[T. A. Gardner]

so?

I'll spell it out for you. You have a group with a historically astronomically high suicide rate. You look at recent laws passed and see that the suicide rate among that group went up some. You then blame those laws for the original astronomically high suicide rates--pre those laws being in place-- as well as the minor increase caused by those laws on those laws. That's what your study is doing.

 

[Hume]

I'll spell it out for you. You have a group with a historically astronomically high suicide rate.

Where did you get that figure from?

 

[Kurmugeon]

I'll spell it out for you. You have a group with a historically astronomically high suicide rate. You look at recent laws passed and see that the suicide rate among that group went up some. You then blame those laws for the original astronomically high suicide rates--pre those laws being in place-- as well as the minor increase caused by those laws on those laws. That's what your study is doing.

They don't just hurt themselves, they hurt others at an extremely high rate. Only Illegal Immigrants are worse!

Trans people are emotionally unstable.

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[T. A. Gardner]

Where did you get that figure from?

 

[Hume]

goodnight troll

 

[AProudLefty]

Proof? Higher suicide rate than other groups.

 

[Kurmugeon]

If you know a Trans, and care about them, encourage them to give up Trans, and drink Lithium Battery Ooze instead, it is far healthier.


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[AProudLefty]

If you know a Trans, and care about them, encourage them to give up Trans, and drink Lithium Battery Ooze instead, it is far healthier.


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Amazing. Hate on display.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Amazing. Hate on display.

It is not hate, it is statistical science. Should I instead molly-coddle mental illness and encourage people to mutilate their genitals beyond any repair? It almost always ends in suicide... or mass murder and then suicide!

Hate is someone ignoring the brutal reality of Trans and encouraging it!

I know, I know! We can encourage people to start a $200/day crack habit! It is Good for them! Meth for the win!

Normies know these things, Lefties seem unable.

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