Unfair to Compare Katrina with the Oil Spill

I keep reading the op-eds comparing the current oil disaster to Katrina, and proclaiming this "Obama's Katrina." But, I have to take exception, it's not a valid comparison at all. It seems to me, there are several aspects which starkly contrast with each other, and it's just unfair as hell to compare the two disasters. Let's take a look at some of the discrepancies...

With Katrina, there was a period of almost a week, where everyone knew the hurricane would make landfall somewhere in proximity of New Orleans. This gave the people of New Orleans ample time to evacuate the city and plan for the impending disaster. With the BP spill, it was totally unexpected, an explosion which wasn't predicted or expected happened, and no one had time to plan for it. With ANY disaster, the time for preparation is the most vital element. Having a week or so to prepare, versus something that happens instantly, is not a fair comparison at all.

With Katrina, President Bush took unprecedented action to declare a Federal disaster, three days BEFORE the hurricane made landfall. That had never been done before in the history of the United States. In fact, some could argue that Bush overstepped his Constitutional authority by declaring a disaster early. It is important because the way federal assistance is established, the president has to first declare it a federal disaster, then the governors of the effected states can request federal disaster relief. This was Bush's reasoning for declaring early, to give the states a head start on requesting assistance. Now, the Democrat leadership of the state at the time, did not elect to make the request until Day 3 of the disaster, but this doesn't change when the president made that option available to them. Contrasting this with the BP spill, the president has yet to declare it a federal disaster, and the governors of the states are still unable to request federal disaster relief. We are in Day 51 of the disaster.

Within 2 weeks of Katrina, FEMA had mobile housing moving toward New Orleans, to provide shelter for the displaced. However, the Democrat leadership of New Orleans, would not allow the mobile housing into the city limits because of a city ordinance prohibiting mobile homes. With the BP disaster, the Feds still do not have the fire booms which could have prevented the spread of the oil to the coastline, if they had been deployed promptly. Also, every suggestion the state governments have to help avert the oil and prevent it from ravaging their coasts, is met with federal bureaucratic red tape and regulations, preventing implementation. Sand berms can't be erected because we haven't done an ecological impact study.. pontoons can't suck up the floating oil because the method hasn't been approved by the EPA. BP can't try to filter some of the oil out of the water, because they can't meet EPA standards for such filtration.

With Katrina, we had a weather phenomenon, after it passed, the crisis was caused by flooding...levies which did not hold. President Bush never made any statement regarding boots on the neck or kicking the ass of those who engineered the levies. In fact, Bush never attempted to blame the crisis on anyone or hold anyone accountable for it. Instead, he employed the services of two former presidents to appeal to the American people for donations. Americans responded by contributing more than for any disaster in American history. Obama has still not declared this a federal disaster.

It is completely unfair to compare the current disaster in any way to Katrina. It's better comparative example might be Carter's Iran Hostage Crisis, which illustrated his feckless lack of leadership and inept ability to deal with a crisis. Also, like that crisis, this has lingered on for days, with no end in sight, and seemingly no indication of a plan to deal with it from the leadership in Washington.
 
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You're really one of the few who tries to portray Katrina as a positive for Bush & the way he responded. Even most Republicans acknowledge that it was one of his worst moments, and a black eye for his admin. "Katrina" has become synonymous with Presidential incompetence.

History just isn't on your side w/ that one. We'll see how history shakes out on this one.
 
You're really one of the few who tries to portray Katrina as a positive for Bush & the way he responded. Even most Republicans acknowledge that it was one of his worst moments, and a black eye for his admin. "Katrina" has become synonymous with Presidential incompetence.

History just isn't on your side w/ that one. We'll see how history shakes out on this one.

Yeah, see... that's because it's a "perception" thing... people see suffering on TV and want to know what is being done about it. With Katrina, it was people suffering... real people with lives... that has an impact with the public, and the Democrats knew it and exploited it. Many of us realized then, there is very little the Federal government can do in such a situation, the state and local governments are supposed to be first responders, and the Feds come in later to assist, but with Katrina, the state and local governments were hold up in a hotel in Baton Rouge, and failed to respond. It took Bush 3 days to convince the LA governor to declare an emergency and request federal relief. Meanwhile, pinheads ran around the country blaming everything on Bush, claiming he was 'slow' to respond, when he wasn't. People see suffering, and nothing being done... Bush gets the blame because Bush is The Man... just as Obama is The Man now!
 
Yeah, see... that's because it's a "perception" thing... people see suffering on TV and want to know what is being done about it. With Katrina, it was people suffering... real people with lives... that has an impact with the public, and the Democrats knew it and exploited it. Many of us realized then, there is very little the Federal government can do in such a situation, the state and local governments are supposed to be first responders, and the Feds come in later to assist, but with Katrina, the state and local governments were hold up in a hotel in Baton Rouge, and failed to respond. It took Bush 3 days to convince the LA governor to declare an emergency and request federal relief. Meanwhile, pinheads ran around the country blaming everything on Bush, claiming he was 'slow' to respond, when he wasn't. People see suffering, and nothing being done... Bush gets the blame because Bush is The Man... just as Obama is The Man now!

Oh, sure - Bush was right on it; a tireless 3 days of effort to get the Dems moving.

Man, are you a trip!

Bush was woeful during Katrina. Here is your comparison: people stranded & under durress, in need of immediate help. A very basic need for rescue - the kind that calls for a very basic kind of leadership, which you & yours always bragged Bush had.

He didn't. Why, he couldn't do anything, because all of those pesky local Dems got in his way! (great excuse-making, btw).
 
Oh, sure - Bush was right on it; a tireless 3 days of effort to get the Dems moving.

Man, are you a trip!

Bush was woeful during Katrina. Here is your comparison: people stranded & under durress, in need of immediate help. A very basic need for rescue - the kind that calls for a very basic kind of leadership, which you & yours always bragged Bush had.

He didn't. Why, he couldn't do anything, because all of those pesky local Dems got in his way! (great excuse-making, btw).

A very BASIC need, which is the purpose and function of LOCAL government! The Feds are supposed to be there to assist in the aftermath, the state and local government are supposed to be the first responders. The BASIC need is supposed to be provided for by the LOCAL government, not the FED... there is absolutely NO way for the FED to make this possible in every municipality of America, it's impossible and unrealistic. However, Obama campaigned on the promise that his administration would not let things like Katrina happen, they would be there where Bush wasn't... yet it's Day 51 and this has still not been federalized, Obama has done nothing but TALK.
 
A very BASIC need, which is the purpose and function of LOCAL government! The Feds are supposed to be there to assist in the aftermath, the state and local government are supposed to be the first responders. The BASIC need is supposed to be provided for by the LOCAL government, not the FED... there is absolutely NO way for the FED to make this possible in every municipality of America, it's impossible and unrealistic. However, Obama campaigned on the promise that his administration would not let things like Katrina happen, they would be there where Bush wasn't... yet it's Day 51 and this has still not been federalized, Obama has done nothing but TALK.

Only in Dixieland does a Mayor have more power & ability than a sitting President.

People were on TV for days, 24x7. Bush blew it.
 
Only in Dixieland does a Mayor have more power & ability than a sitting President.

People were on TV for days, 24x7. Bush blew it.

It's not about power, it is all about ability to be a first responder. The state and locals are the logical best choice as a first responder, federal assistance comes in when the first responders are overwhelmed, they aren't supposed to be the first responder.

We also have a protocol for federal and state governments to follow, it's all outlined in the Constitution thingy.... the Federal government can't just move the army in and take over a state... well, Obama's Federal Government probably could, just ignore the Constitution and do it anyway... but it's not supposed to happen like that. In order for a state to obtain Federal assistance, a state has to request it, but before they can request it, the president has to declare it a Federal disaster. With Katrina, the Federal government was ready to give assistance, but the states drug their feet asking for help... with this disaster, the states are begging for help, and the feckless Obama administration is dragging their feet in granting it.

Like I said, completely unfair to compare this to Katrina!
 
"the Federal government can't just move the army in and take over a state"

LOL

Sure - because that was Bush's only option to display some leadership during Katrina.

Failure.
 
"the Federal government can't just move the army in and take over a state"

LOL

Sure - because that was Bush's only option to display some leadership during Katrina.

Failure.

Yeah, that is pretty much the only option until the governor formally makes the request for federal assistance in a disaster. Bush's leadership was apparent by the FACT he disregarded his authorized Constitutional powers as president, and proclaimed New Orleans a Federal Disaster, three days before the actual disaster occurred. The response from federal agencies like FEMA were perceived as 'slow' because they were slow, but the federal response to this current disaster is almost non-existent. We've heard a lot of TALK.
 
It's not about power, it is all about ability to be a first responder. The state and locals are the logical best choice as a first responder, federal assistance comes in when the first responders are overwhelmed, they aren't supposed to be the first responder.

We also have a protocol for federal and state governments to follow, it's all outlined in the Constitution thingy.... the Federal government can't just move the army in and take over a state... well, Obama's Federal Government probably could, just ignore the Constitution and do it anyway... but it's not supposed to happen like that. In order for a state to obtain Federal assistance, a state has to request it, but before they can request it, the president has to declare it a Federal disaster. With Katrina, the Federal government was ready to give assistance, but the states drug their feet asking for help... with this disaster, the states are begging for help, and the feckless Obama administration is dragging their feet in granting it.

Like I said, completely unfair to compare this to Katrina!

Yeah, you keep saying the Governors of the gulf states are "begging for help" but you've yet to provide me with one quote proving as much...

Hell, just yesterday Haley Barbour was saying he doubts the spill is as bad as the administration and the media is making it out to be.
 
Dixie is right again....it is Unfair to Compare Katrina with the Oil Spill ...

the oil spill was preventable....diligent oversight for the past 18 months alone might have prevented the rig explosion and oil spill
 
Dixie is right again....it is Unfair to Compare Katrina with the Oil Spill ...

the oil spill was preventable....diligent oversight for the past 18 months alone might have prevented the rig explosion and oil spill

There you go again, with the "Bush should have stopped the hurricane" strawman.

It was the RESPONSE to the hurricane, bravo.
 
There you go again, with the "Bush should have stopped the hurricane" strawman.

It was the RESPONSE to the hurricane, bravo.

And Bush's response was exactly what it should be....

FEMA didn't respond well

Nagin didn't respond well

No local officials responded well

LA politicians didn't respond well
 
And Bush's response was exactly what it should be....

FEMA didn't respond well

Nagin didn't respond well

No local officials responded well

LA politicians didn't respond well

LOL

You & Dixie are among about 5-6 people in America who think that Bush did no wrong during Katrina.

Your apologism for Bush knows no bounds -even on Iraq, you try to "credit" Dems with the invasion. He must be a family member or something; never accountable for anything.
 
LOL

You & Dixie are among about 5-6 people in America who think that Bush did no wrong during Katrina.

Your apologism for Bush knows no bounds -even on Iraq, you try to "credit" Dems with the invasion. He must be a family member or something; never accountable for anything.

What is this ?....you get pwned on every topic so you keep changing the topic?

Are you TC Peckerhead ?
 
What is this ?....you get pwned on every topic so you keep changing the topic?

Are you TC Peckerhead ?

You brought up Katrina, did you not? It is in the subject of this thread, is it not?

Sorry if my posts ring true to you. Deep down, I'm sure you know how far you are in the bag for Bush & the right....
 
LOL

You & Dixie are among about 5-6 people in America who think that Bush did no wrong during Katrina.

Your apologism for Bush knows no bounds -even on Iraq, you try to "credit" Dems with the invasion. He must be a family member or something; never accountable for anything.

Bush did absolutely everything a president can do in a disaster, unlike Obama who has yet to do a damn thing except TALK! Because others did not respond effectively, it appeared Bush didn't do as much as he should, because HE is The Man... Just like Obama is now The Man, and regardless of whether he deserves it or not, will ultimately get the blame for the feckless leadership. The most contrasting difference is, Obama will deserve the blame for doing nothing.

And let's not try to switch the subject to Iraq, mmk?
 
Bush did absolutely everything a president can do in a disaster, unlike Obama who has yet to do a damn thing except TALK! Because others did not respond effectively, it appeared Bush didn't do as much as he should, because HE is The Man... Just like Obama is now The Man, and regardless of whether he deserves it or not, will ultimately get the blame for the feckless leadership. The most contrasting difference is, Obama will deserve the blame for doing nothing.

And let's not try to switch the subject to Iraq, mmk?

Oh, yeah - no problem. I know you definitely don't want to start talking about Bush's other debacle.

Sorry - history is just against you on Bush's response to Katrina. Like I said, it's synonymous w/ Presidential incompetence. You can blame "liberals" for that all you want, and try to rewrite history, but it won't fly.
 
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