Voters overwhelmingly think Trump is making the economy worse (FOX poll)

[Tbird19482]

And NOT all of his huge Tariffs have NOT worked their way through the supply chain and when they do it is going to hurt the US economy .
Many MAGA are saying it is okay but haven't really paid attention to prices going up and when these tariffs start to hit them hard in their pocketbooks it will be too late to go back and their crying about high prices will begin.
And a lot of them are just getting by now , some working two jobs , and a lot of federal programs they depend on to survive are going away so what will they do when they are gone?
Cry I guess, well cry all they want they voted for it and got what they wanted so suffer.
This mess isn't going to be pretty when it finally hit in full force.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes there is, Fox News/ Beacon Research and Shaw poll, conducted between September 6-9

Fox News Poll: Trump’s ratings are strong on border security, weak on the economy

Trump's overall job approval stands at 46%, with the economy remaining his weakness at 39% approval, according to latest Fox News national survey of voters.

www.foxnews.com

MAGAts are either liars and willing followers of the Dark Lord or they are simply gullible and useful idiots.

 

[Tbird19482]

The Party of Trump is full of greedy, hateful, cowardly men. Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater must be rolling in their graves seeing what has happened to the GOP.

IMO they are spinning at over a thousand MPH.

 

[Phantasmal]

The Party of Trump is full of greedy, hateful, cowardly men. Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater must be rolling in their graves seeing what has happened to the GOP.

Agreed

 

[Dutch Uncle]

IMO they are spinning at over a thousand MPH.

The Republican Party may not survive this. The MAGAts keep screaming about starting a civil war but it will be in intraparty war, not one with those on the Left, no matter how much they want it to be, nor with Americans in general.

I encourage all of them to kill each other since they are all anti-American losers.

 

[cawacko]

I am not an economist. I do not really know how to develop strategy regarding tariffs. I can see a non-strategic, play it by ear initiative when its this clear. These tariffs appear to be based on emotion and anger toward certain nations. It very much appears to be a throw everything against the wall and see if we can get anything good our of it. This is Trump's style, he disrupts an entire sector, the good and bad, then claims victory about the "good" things that come out of it, and ignores the harm that was caused.

I blame congress for abdicating their power to the President.

I don't disagree that these tariffs seem very scattershot. The stated goal is to use them to force other countries to the negotiating table to get better deals for America. Many people hear that and like that rationale. Most people probably won't say "I hope America has bad trade deals".

But wanting a virtuous outcome doesn’t mean it’s the right path, and that’s the case with tariffs and this trade war.

 

[archives]

In his first term, he passed the tax cut act at the beginning of the term. Excellent legislation which helped boost the economy. After that, he implemented his tariffs, which slowed growth. However, he still had the momentum and strength of the tax cuts to mask it.

This time he takes office with the economy not in good shape, and he leads with the tariffs. That's not a recipe for growth. He has since passed an extension of those tax cuts but it hasn't been enough to offset the damage the tariffs have done.

From a political perspective, it's funny. The whole little echo chamber here went silent on Biden's leaving the tariffs in place during his term, as well as adding more. You're basically just anti-tariff when Trump does it.

And I watched the high inflation and slow growth during the Biden years and people excused it away and would only focus on job numbers. Job numbers are important of course but that's not the whole economy. Then the echo chamber acts shocked people didn't want to re-elect Biden or Harris, and of course resort to blaming sexism, racism etc.

Debatable, if one was concerned with deficits and debt, as I thought conservatives were, that first term tax cut wasn’t so “excellent,” and why would you have a massive tax cut when the economy was progressing in the right direction and functioning adequately?

Biden’s economy wasn’t stellar, but it wasn’t in the shape you implied. True Biden did maintain most of Trump’s first term tariffs, even escalated some with China, but he did not level blanket 15% to 50% tariffs across the board, friends and foes, and more relevant, he did not add one one day only to turn around and revise it the next day etc.

 

[cawacko]

Debatable, if one was concerned with deficits and debt, as I thought conservatives were, that first term tax cut wasn’t so “excellent,” and why would you have a massive tax cut when the economy was progressing in the right direction and functioning adequately?

Biden’s economy wasn’t stellar, but it wasn’t in the shape you implied. True Biden did maintain most of Trump’s first term tariffs, even escalated some with China, but he did not level blanket 15% to 50% tariffs across the board, friends and foes, and more relevant, he did not add one one day only to turn around and revise it the next day etc.

In 2016 the economy was not in a recession. The recovery had gone on for years, but growth never really broke out. The tax cuts were great from a growth perspective and they released the animal instincts in the economy. You are correct about the deficit and debt. You need to pass corresponding cuts in spending and they didn't do that.

In January 2025 unemployment had risen, job growth had slowed significantly, and inflation was still a major issue. The economy needed a boost, not more tariffs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

In 2016 the economy was not in a recession. The recovery had gone on for years, but growth never really broke out. The tax cuts were great from a growth perspective and they released the animal instincts in the economy. You are correct about the deficit and debt. You need to pass corresponding cuts in spending and they didn't do that.

In January 2025 unemployment had risen, job growth had slowed significantly, and inflation was still a major issue. The economy needed a boost, not more tariffs.

Wow. Are you really so blind you don't know about the Pandemic of 2020? How that affected not just you and other RW Americans, but the entire global economy?

Are you really so blind that you don't know Trump knew about in December 2019 and hid it from Americans until Spring to cover his resort assets?

MAGAts keep whining about the Death Jab but are too fucking stupid, deluded, demented and/or evil to admit that Operation Warp Speed was Trump's greatest accomplishment as President. Do you know this?

 

[Lionfish]

The Republican Party may not survive this. The MAGAts keep screaming about starting a civil war but it will be in intraparty war, not one with those on the Left, no matter how much they want it to be, nor with Americans in general.

I encourage all of them to kill each other since they are all anti-American losers.

Mr. Tiny Penis, we thought you were going to make shooting us a national pastime.
Second thoughts, or have the local police paid you a visit?

 

[Cypress]

And NOT all of his huge Tariffs have NOT worked their way through the supply chain and when they do it is going to hurt the US economy .
Many MAGA are saying it is okay but haven't really paid attention to prices going up and when these tariffs start to hit them hard in their pocketbooks it will be too late to go back and their crying about high prices will begin.
And a lot of them are just getting by now , some working two jobs , and a lot of federal programs they depend on to survive are going away so what will they do when they are gone?
Cry I guess, well cry all they want they voted for it and got what they wanted so suffer.
This mess isn't going to be pretty when it finally hit in full force.

Every Republican president in my adult life has caused a recession, some of them historically severe recessions.

Clinton, Obama, Biden never caused a recession. That is a span of 20 years collectively.

That is way too much data to be a fluke.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Voters Say Trump Has Hurt the Economy More Than Helped​

A new poll finds that more Americans believe Donald Trump's presidency has worsened the economy than improved it.

The latest Fox News/ Beacon Research and Shaw poll, conducted between September 6-9 among 1,004 registered voters, shows that by a 22-point margin, more voters say the Trump administration has made the economy worse (52 percent) rather than better (30 percent).

Voters say Trump has hurt the economy more than helped

Overall, perceptions of the economy remain deeply negative, with 71 percent rating it poorly versus 29 percent positively.

www.newsweek.com

Well, given that most people get their news from television (or cable), I'd say the problem is obvious...

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days​

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days

A recent analysis by the Media Research Center has revealed that 92% of the major network media coverage of President Donald Trump during his first 100 days in

thenationaldesk.com

This has remained the norm for the MSM news outlets. A constant spin of nothing but highly negative news about Trump with only the most minor, grudging acknowledgements otherwise, is going to affect people's opinions. How can it not?

 

[cawacko]

Well, given that most people get their news from television (or cable), I'd say the problem is obvious...

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days​

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days

A recent analysis by the Media Research Center has revealed that 92% of the major network media coverage of President Donald Trump during his first 100 days in

thenationaldesk.com

This has remained the norm for the MSM news outlets. A constant spin of nothing but highly negative news about Trump with only the most minor, grudging acknowledgements otherwise, is going to affect people's opinions. How can it not?

The mainstream media is never going to be kind to a Republican President. That said, liberals b*tched about the coverage of inflation during Biden's years, as if people couldn't recognize themselves that prices and goods kept rising and their paychecks didn't go as far.

In our highly polarized world, and with much of the youth getting their info from social media, the mainstream media's influence only goes so far. And tariffs and trade wars don’t bolster growth. They hurt it, and they hurt jobs. That’s not the media’s fault, that’s economic reality.

 

[archives]

In 2016 the economy was not in a recession. The recovery had gone on for years, but growth never really broke out. The tax cuts were great from a growth perspective and they released the animal instincts in the economy. You are correct about the deficit and debt. You need to pass corresponding cuts in spending and they didn't do that.

In January 2025 unemployment had risen, job growth had slowed significantly, and inflation was still a major issue. The economy needed a boost, not more tariffs.

True, Obama pulled it out (you had to know I was going to throw that in) and it was an economy progressing in the right direction, so giving such, and as you noted, no recession, why flood currency into the economy considering the debt potential? (Hopefully your are not going to return with the Laffer curve)

Select tariffs make sense, but blanket tariffs, fluctuating tariffs, tariffs used for political/personal ends, are nonproductive

 

[Cypress]

Well, given that most people get their news from television (or cable), I'd say the problem is obvious...

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days​

Media Research Center finds 92% negative coverage of Trump in first 100 days

A recent analysis by the Media Research Center has revealed that 92% of the major network media coverage of President Donald Trump during his first 100 days in

thenationaldesk.com

This has remained the norm for the MSM news outlets. A constant spin of nothing but highly negative news about Trump with only the most minor, grudging acknowledgements otherwise, is going to affect people's opinions. How can it not?

Your link is neither reputable nor non-partisan.

Nearly every macroeconomic metric out there indicates the economy is stagnating and the tariffs aren't working.

 

[cawacko]

True, Obama pulled it out (you had to know I was going to throw that in) and it was an economy progressing in the right direction, so giving such, and as you noted, no recession, why flood currency into the economy considering the debt potential? (Hopefully your are not going to return with the Laffer curve)

Select tariffs make sense, but blanket tariffs, fluctuating tariffs, tariffs used for political/personal ends, are nonproductive

If you want to get into the weeds, you can 'thank' Bernanke and his QE and ZIRP policies creating asset bubbles while pushing his desired wealth effect. His supporters will tell you it rescued the economy.

The economy wasn’t in a recession, but it was plodding along. The tax cuts gave it a real jolt. I agree they worsened the deficit since there weren’t matching spending cuts, but from a growth perspective they worked.

"Targeted Tariffs" or "Select Tariffs" all sound reasonable on the surface. Especially when it's framed as a matter of national security. But they still end up raising costs and hurting employment overall.

 

[archives]

If you want to get into the weeds, you can 'thank' Bernanke and his QE and ZIRP policies creating asset bubbles while pushing his desired wealth effect. His supporters will tell you it rescued the economy.

The economy wasn’t in a recession, but it was plodding along. The tax cuts gave it a real jolt. I agree they worsened the deficit since there weren’t matching spending cuts, but from a growth perspective they worked.

"Targeted Tariffs" or "Select Tariffs" all sound reasonable on the surface. Especially when it's framed as a matter of national security. But they still end up raising costs and hurting employment overall.

I’d give Bernanke credit, Obama did keep him on and reappointed him for a reason, and it wasn’t in recession, but as I said heading in the right direction, which made large tax cuts costly given the opportunity cost regarding their effect of debt

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The mainstream media is never going to be kind to a Republican President. That said, liberals b*tched about the coverage of inflation during Biden's years, as if people couldn't recognize themselves that prices and goods kept rising and their paychecks didn't go as far.

In our highly polarized world, and with much of the youth getting their info from social media, the mainstream media's influence only goes so far. And tariffs and trade wars don’t bolster growth. They hurt it, and they hurt jobs. That’s not the media’s fault, that’s economic reality.

That may be true, but in Trump's case it has gotten to a climax. When virtually every news story on Trump takes a negative spin, there's a problem. The news is no longer some impartial observer reporting on events but rather has taken a side and is now purveying propaganda. That is a huge problem.

That's where the MSM is at today with regard to Trump.

In terms of economic news, what I see the MSM doing is putting a negative spin on everything Trump does with regard to the economy but crouches it in terms of opinion, speculation, and hand wringing. They ignore what the economy is actually doing unless it fits their narrative which at least up to this point is mostly not what they claim would happen.

Is the economy doing great? Meh. I think it could be doing better but it certainly isn't the doom and gloom disaster the MSM tries to paint. If it were the Biden - Harris economy they'd be telling us how great it's doing. I don't accept their version of things and try to find actual data on what's happening rather than highly biased opinion and speculation.

 

[Tbird19482]

Every Republican president in my adult life has caused a recession, some of them historically severe recessions.

Clinton, Obama, Biden never caused a recession. That is a span of 20 years collectively.

That is way too much data to be a fluke.

YEP.
And we had to elect a DEM President to get us out of the Recessions they got us into, and we will have to do it again after Trump fucks everything up.

 

[Nordberg]

Inflation is roaring as predicted by Trump's economics. Coffee is up 37 percent. Fruits and vegetables are up about 15. We are hearing economists talk about possible stagflation, which is terrible for the citizens. Labor Dept data says inflation is up by almost 3 percent , hiring has slowed and unemployment is climbing. This is a bad combination.