Two States for two Peoples

[T. A. Gardner]

What nonsense! There is an internationally recognized border between Gaza and Egypt. Take a look at the map if you don't know. But Gaza on the same map is within Israel, part of the Palestinian Authority and is under Israeli control and blockaded by Israel. A clear example of this is the attack by Israeli commandos on the "Freedom Flotilla" in 2010 and in May 2025. Today, another attempt by Thunberg to break the blockade of Gaza is planned with the aim of providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians starving due to Israel's fault. So is Egypt blockading or Israel? Lying is not good!!!

Does Egypt heavily control their border with Gaza? Did Egypt clear a strip of land almost 10 km wide of everything on their side of the border to make tunneling, smuggling, and terrorist movement from Gaza impossible into their territory? Has Egypt reduced the number of border crossings from their country into Gaza to one tightly controlled one at Rafah?

As for that idiot "freedom flotilla..." Is Israel at war with Hamas and Gaza right now? Is Gaza a declared war zone? Of course it is. Greta the idiot and her retard friends are trying to sail into a war zone. They're going to get boarded, they can be held, and all of that is perfectly legal under international law. Their declared intent doesn't enter into that. They can't simply go to Gaza because they want to go to Gaza in the middle of a declared war.

 

[Alik Bahshi]

Does Egypt heavily control their border with Gaza? Did Egypt clear a strip of land almost 10 km wide of everything on their side of the border to make tunneling, smuggling, and terrorist movement from Gaza impossible into their territory? Has Egypt reduced the number of border crossings from their country into Gaza to one tightly controlled one at Rafah?

As for that idiot "freedom flotilla..." Is Israel at war with Hamas and Gaza right now? Is Gaza a declared war zone? Of course it is. Greta the idiot and her retard friends are trying to sail into a war zone. They're going to get boarded, they can be held, and all of that is perfectly legal under international law. Their declared intent doesn't enter into that. They can't simply go to Gaza because they want to go to Gaza in the middle of a declared war.

You seem to contradict yourself. You write that Egypt closed the border with Gaza, and now you accuse it of not closing the border. What does Egypt have to do with it? You write that Israel has a border with Gaza, which terrorists crossed, but if Gaza is located outside of Israel, that is, is not under Israel's jurisdiction, then why is Israel blocking Gaza from the sea? On what grounds? By what right does Israel attack ships going to Gaza with food? There is only one explanation - Israel is an occupier! Controls other people's lands, for what reason? You must somehow define the status of Israel and its state border, otherwise it turns out absurd. What do you want from Gaza?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You seem to contradict yourself. You write that Egypt closed the border with Gaza, and now you accuse it of not closing the border. What does Egypt have to do with it? You write that Israel has a border with Gaza, which terrorists crossed, but if Gaza is located outside of Israel, that is, is not under Israel's jurisdiction, then why is Israel blocking Gaza from the sea?

Because Gaza / Hamas wants to import masses of arms and munitions to use on Israel. Those amateur rockets they fire by the thousands on Israel don't sprout up like wheat in a field. The materials for them are imported then made into those rockets. That material is usually smuggled in by boat.

On what grounds? By what right does Israel attack ships going to Gaza with food? There is only one explanation - Israel is an occupier! Controls other people's lands, for what reason? You must somehow define the status of Israel and its state border, otherwise it turns out absurd. What do you want from Gaza?

By what right does Britain blockade Germany in two world wars from letting food go there? Naval blockade of an enemy in war has been a legal staple of warfare since ancient times. That is the explanation. That Hamas is so militarily incompetent is their problem.

As for what I want from this Gaza-Israeli war, I want a winner. I want the two to never fight another war again. I don't care how many must die on either side for that to occur. I want warfare between the two to end. I want this to be their final conflict. I want the two to agree to a permanent peace and settle their differences.

What do you want from it?

 

[Alik Bahshi]

Because Gaza / Hamas wants to import masses of arms and munitions to use on Israel. Those amateur rockets they fire by the thousands on Israel don't sprout up like wheat in a field. The materials for them are imported then made into those rockets. That material is usually smuggled in by boat.


By what right does Britain blockade Germany in two world wars from letting food go there? Naval blockade of an enemy in war has been a legal staple of warfare since ancient times. That is the explanation. That Hamas is so militarily incompetent is their problem.

As for what I want from this Gaza-Israeli war, I want a winner. I want the two to never fight another war again. I don't care how many must die on either side for that to occur. I want warfare between the two to end. I want this to be their final conflict. I want the two to agree to a permanent peace and settle their differences.

What do you want from it?

Britain and Germany mutually blockaded each other during the war. And Israel has illegally and continuously blockaded the Palestinians since the very inception of the state of Israel, that is, for almost 80 years.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Britain and Germany mutually blockaded each other during the war. And Israel has illegally and continuously blockaded the Palestinians since the very inception of the state of Israel, that is, for almost 80 years.

Germany had no means to blockade England. They waged a guerre de course, or commerce raiding war instead. That isn't a blockade. Britain had ships at sea that intercepted any merchant ship they came on within the blockade area, boarded, inspected, and often forced the ship to a British port for internment or confiscation of the cargo.

In fact, the RN was far more aggressive in WW 2 in this respect. For example, the HMS Liverpool, a cruiser, forcibly stopped the Japanese flagged ocean line Asama Maru on 1/21/40 (Japan was at peace at the time with Britain) about 100 NM off Japan's coast. The British boarded the liner and went through the passenger manifest. They detained and removed 21 passengers from the liner who were German. The British declared all of them prisoners of war.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/ecagrs/C%20G%20Dunham.pdf

Of course, the Japanese protested this vigorously but that went nowhere.

So, don't give me that shit that Israel can't do the same sort of thing in a declared war against any ship or boat entering a declared war zone. They can, they will, and there is nothing in international law to stop them from doing so.

 

[Alik Bahshi]

Germany had no means to blockade England. They waged a guerre de course, or commerce raiding war instead. That isn't a blockade. Britain had ships at sea that intercepted any merchant ship they came on within the blockade area, boarded, inspected, and often forced the ship to a British port for internment or confiscation of the cargo.

In fact, the RN was far more aggressive in WW 2 in this respect. For example, the HMS Liverpool, a cruiser, forcibly stopped the Japanese flagged ocean line Asama Maru on 1/21/40 (Japan was at peace at the time with Britain) about 100 NM off Japan's coast. The British boarded the liner and went through the passenger manifest. They detained and removed 21 passengers from the liner who were German. The British declared all of them prisoners of war.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/ecagrs/C%20G%20Dunham.pdf

Of course, the Japanese protested this vigorously but that went nowhere.

So, don't give me that shit that Israel can't do the same sort of thing in a declared war against any ship or boat entering a declared war zone. They can, they will, and there is nothing in international law to stop them from doing so.

You, my dear, clearly do not understand the situation. Great Britain is an island country, it could not do without supplies from outside. It did not have oil, did not have enough steel, and other things necessary for a successful war, even food. In addition, soldiers were transported from the USA to Great Britain, who subsequently landed in Normandy. And all this supply was carried out by sea. That is why Germany's main task was a naval blockade. Germany was not threatened by a naval blockade, it had everything listed, so to speak, at hand. Israel is blockading Gaza, for the same purpose as Germany. But if Great Britain had a navy and a powerful ally in the United States, then the Palestinians in Gaza are deprived of everything, including food. Israel, by blockading Gaza, is behaving exactly like fascist Germany.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You, my dear, clearly do not understand the situation. Great Britain is an island country, it could not do without supplies from outside. It did not have oil, did not have enough steel, and other things necessary for a successful war, even food. In addition, soldiers were transported from the USA to Great Britain, who subsequently landed in Normandy. And all this supply was carried out by sea. That is why Germany's main task was a naval blockade. Germany was not threatened by a naval blockade, it had everything listed, so to speak, at hand. Israel is blockading Gaza, for the same purpose as Germany. But if Great Britain had a navy and a powerful ally in the United States, then the Palestinians in Gaza are deprived of everything, including food. Israel, by blockading Gaza, is behaving exactly like fascist Germany.

Germany was a land locked--more or less--country with very limited access to the sea. They didn't have oil or enough steel either for a successful war. Food was an issue too. In WW 1, the United States was the biggest trade partner with Germany in 1914. Major German imports from the US were oil, steel, and food. By 1916, that trade was down to zero and the British and French had replaced it with their buying at about $100 million a year (in then current dollars).
Germany was starving by that point. Their industry had shortages of virtually everything. Hell, they were digging up lead water pipes in cites to get material to make bullets.

It is you that doesn't grasp the difference between a blockade and a Guerre de Course. Merchant raiding is not a blockade. It is legalized piracy. The government grants or commissions ships to go out, pretend they are neutral or even friendly to the enemy, disguised as non-combatants and then prey on enemy merchant ships, taking them as prizes.
A blockade is done by a nation's naval ships flying that nation's flag and follows international law--more or less--to stop and inspect merchant ships entering the area of the blockade.

Israel is NOT blockading Gaza for the same reason as Germany, first because Germany didn't impose a blockade. If Israel was doing what Germany did, they'd be forcibly stopping any merchant ship they came across and taking it as a prize if they even thought it was headed to Gaza. Instead, what they are doing is stopping ships headed for Gaza to inspect them for contraband cargo like munitions, arms, or publicly listed materials that have been banned for import there.

The Israeli blockade is in place because Hamas wants to spend every dollar they can get on arms, munitions, and gear to attack and fight Israel. If Hamas were instead focused on improving life in Gaza for the people living there, there'd be no blockade, but that's not how it is.