The 1956 Republican Party platform --- LIBERAL!!! 😲 😆

I think the tradeoffs matter here. If you raise taxes, will the wealthy change their behavior in ways that hurt growth or investment? Are there unintended consequences? On the surface it sounds simple to say tax the rich and give it to the less fortunate through government programs, but in the real world it rarely works out so neatly.

For example, look at many welfare programs. They were well-intentioned, but in practice helped break up families and ended up disempowering many of the very people they were supposed to help.

Keep in mind, the subject originally concerned the cost increase in immigration since 1956, the time of that GOP platform in the OP.

That's mainly what I was talking about funding, so it likely would not require a huge tax increase on them.

But my larger point had to do with the Republicans' claim that we are a Christian nation while they and their wealthy contributors and supporters refuse to run the country in accordance with the teachings of Jesus.

So, if they would do that, your point would be moot because they'd recognize their responsibilities as citizens in said Christian nation, even if they themselves are not. If they support the GOP and vote GOP, then they should support the GOP behaving like the Christians they claim to be.
 
Keep in mind, the subject originally concerned the cost increase in immigration since 1956, the time of that GOP platform in the OP.

That's mainly what I was talking about funding, so it likely would not require a huge tax increase on them.

But my larger point had to do with the Republicans' claim that we are a Christian nation while they and their wealthy contributors and supporters refuse to run the country in accordance with the teachings of Jesus.

So, if they would do that, your point would be moot because they'd recognize their responsibilities as citizens in said Christian nation, even if they themselves are not. If they support the GOP and vote GOP, then they should support the GOP behaving like the Christians they claim to be.
My point was more about the economic side, that even well-intentioned policies can create tradeoffs.

I understand you’re making a moral argument. Speaking only for myself as a Christian, I don’t see supporting the welfare state as a requirement of faith. I tend to focus more on results than intent. Some policies were well-meaning but ended up with unintended consequences that hurt more than they helped.
 
Prior to 1964 we spent about $400 per citizen per year on federal government spending

Today we spend around $19,500 per citizen per year

so your list is fun and all, but it is totally devoid of any true reality
 
Prior to 1964 we spent about $400 per citizen per year on federal government spending

Today we spend around $19,500 per citizen per year

so your list is fun and all, but it is totally devoid of any true reality

Too bad you "forgot" to mention that your govt spending per citizen figure includes things like defense, education and infrastructure.

OTOH, federal welfare spending alone averages closer to approximately $3,600 per person.

And when you figure in inflation in your comparison to 1964, (sixty years ago), $3600 is really not surprising.
 
My point was more about the economic side, that even well-intentioned policies can create tradeoffs.

I understand you’re making a moral argument. Speaking only for myself as a Christian, I don’t see supporting the welfare state as a requirement of faith.
It has to at least figure into it if we are going to accept the right's claim that our govt and society is Christian based and as such, should play a larger role and not be subject to any separation of church and state doctrines.
I tend to focus more on results than intent. Some policies were well-meaning but ended up with unintended consequences that hurt more than they helped.
That may be true, but these policies could be adjusted and results improved if our govt was earnest about it.
 
Too bad you "forgot" to mention that your govt spending per citizen figure includes things like defense, education and infrastructure.

OTOH, federal welfare spending alone averages closer to approximately $3,600 per person.

And when you figure in inflation in your comparison to 1964, (sixty years ago), $3600 is really not surprising.
$400 then is around $4000 now in buying power. still a far cry from the 19,500 being spent
 
It has to at least figure into it if we are going to accept the right's claim that our govt and society is Christian based and as such, should play a larger role and not be subject to any separation of church and state doctrines.

That may be true, but these policies could be adjusted and results improved if our govt was earnest about it.
It's interesting you bring up policies being adjusted. I finished listening to this Glen Loury and John McWhorter podcast interview with Marc Dunkleman about his new book Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress—and How to Bring It Back. Marc is a professor at Brown and a man of the left but he speaks about "why nothing works". Not to bore you with all details but here's the intro Loury wrote:

Since the publication of Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson’s book Abundance earlier this year, liberals and moderate Democrats seem to be taking up the idea that bureaucracy and over-regulation really can hinder the public good. My guest this week, Marc Dunkelman of Brown University’s Watson School for International and Public Affairs, adds that a muddled understanding and use of power contributes to a situation in which critical infrastructure projects too often take forever to complete, stall out, or never make it past the initial planning stages. His new book Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress—and How to Bring It Back describes a situation in which narrow special interests and progressive activists undermine government-led actions that prioritize the needs of the general public over those of the most vocal critics.

The question, “Why can’t we seem to get anything done in this country?” is a complex one. One answer, according to Marc, is that we rarely have public servants who are empowered to give the green light. There are reasons for this, like the infamous case of Robert Moses, whose unchecked power needlessly destroyed communities across New York. So, how do we grant local governments enough power to overcome special interests who want nothing built without giving them so much power that they can take unilateral control of the decision-making process? Marc thinks that requires requires a cultural shift among progressives, who need to get more comfortable with the idea of responsible officials actually using the power granted them. He recommends empowering government to do what individuals can’t. Personally, I’m not so sure that creating such executive authority, which can still be vetoed by protest or internal maneuvering, would be as effective as Marc thinks. Then again, something, anything working is preferable to nothing.

- Me again, it hits on the point you bring up. Even when policies are well-intentioned, making changes is very hard because entrenched interests, on the left and the right, want to keep the status quo. That’s not always about ideology, it’s about power, and it makes reform tough.
 
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So sad seeing what they've turned into today.
Making up shit never works.

* Eisenhower NEVER DID suggest welfare payments to farmers or farming communities.
* He DID include farmers in the Social Security program. They of course had to pay into it like anybody else.
* He DID provide asylum for people displaced by WW2, who were facing continued threats to their life in Europe.
* He DID raise the federal minimum wage.
* He DID improve the unemployment benefit system by streamlining it.
* He did create or protect unions.
* He WAS for equal pay for the SAME work regardless of sex (with several obvious exceptions).

* He was also for individual responsibility.
* He was also for keeping farms independently owned.
* He was also for helping businesses hire people into productive jobs.
* He was NOT about 'make work' programs.
* He was also ending segregation practices.
* He was also for LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration like what DEMOCRATS want.


Eisenhower was NOT a socialist. He was a capitalist, still cleaning up after the fallout from WW2, and trying to stop DEMOCRATS from continuing their racism and socialism.
 
I understand it entirely and that's your problem. What you need to show is why the "1%" should be expected to make up revenue shortfalls if the govt is already poorly managing the money they already receive.
They can't, even if you take their entire wealth. It would be literally a drop in the bucket. Of course, if you try, they will just leave instead, taking their jobs with them.
 
They earn a huge amount of interest/dividends/profits on those investments and more importantly.
Nope. SHAREHOLDERS do.
And of course, it wouldn't be necessary for the 1% to foot the entire bill for welfare programs. But they could take a lot more of it off the shoulders of the working class.
So you want to tax them even MORE. They will just leave, and take their jobs with them. Oh...and there goes your tax revenue. BTW, did you know that what you are suggesting is unconstitutional?
The difference between what percentage of US taxes they pay vs what percentage of the wealth they own is way more than enough to be able to afford to pay more.
Socialism never works. Communism never works, commie.
The right loves to blabber about the US being a nation based on Christianity and Christian values, then gets angry and nasty when you suggest that the wealthiest among us actually live up to the teachings of the Bible.
Christianity is not based on theft. DON'T TRY TO USE CHRISTIANITY OR THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY YOUR THEFT.
 
1) You are assuming all poor people are poor due to some fault of their own. While I'm sure many are, I'm also sure many aren't.
They are. It is literally their own fault. It is their fault they choose a drug habit. It is their fault to be lazy. It is their fault to choose to live in squalor.
2) in the Bible, when Jesus speaks, he makes no distinction between those who are poor by their own fault and those who are poor by no fault of their own. Christian charity makes no such distinctions.
DON'T TRY TO USE CHRISTIANITY TO JUSTIFY COMMUNISM OR THEFT OF WEALTH!
And also, it wouldn't even be necessary for the 1% to foot the entire bill

There's the entire upper 10% who own another vast sea of wealth.

And since the working class already chips in, their share could stay as it is.
Theft is theft, dude. You CANNOT justify theft. What you are suggesting is unconstitutional as well.
Point is, there is plenty of money to help the needy, be the civilized nation we like to think we are and still have enough for everything else in the Federal budget.
The federal government is broke. There is NO MONEY except for what it prints out of thick air. Fiat currency is failing. DEMOCRATS did it.
 
Stop moving the goal posts and changing the subject bitching about Congressional salaries.

That wasn't what you demanded before.

The answer to "WHY" lies in how the right loves to blabber about the US being a nation based on Christianity and Christian values, then gets angry and nasty when you suggest that the wealthiest among us actually live up to the teachings of the Bible.

So it's an issue of morality, plain and simple.

Putting human decency and our supposed "Christian values" above greed for more money.
THEFT is not human decency. Communism is not human decency. It is not Christian either. Christ NEVER taught communism.
 
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