Trump abandons the pretense that he wants the Ukraine war over

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After getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation and, after seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option. Why not? Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like “a paper tiger.” When the people living in Moscow, and all of the Great Cities, Towns, and Districts all throughout Russia, find out what is really going on with this War, the fact that it’s almost impossible for them to get Gasoline through the long lines that are being formed, and all of the other things that are taking place in their War Economy, where most of their money is being spent on fighting Ukraine, which has Great Spirit, and only getting better, Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that! Putin and Russia are in BIG Economic trouble, and this is the time for Ukraine to act. In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
 
Brain Berletic turned out to be all the way right when he started saying way back in FEB that "I am a peace President" is a complete fraud.

I certainly doubted that at the time.

May God Help Us.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
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After getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation and, after seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option. Why not? Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like “a paper tiger.” When the people living in Moscow, and all of the Great Cities, Towns, and Districts all throughout Russia, find out what is really going on with this War, the fact that it’s almost impossible for them to get Gasoline through the long lines that are being formed, and all of the other things that are taking place in their War Economy, where most of their money is being spent on fighting Ukraine, which has Great Spirit, and only getting better, Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that! Putin and Russia are in BIG Economic trouble, and this is the time for Ukraine to act. In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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In my view, both Simplicius and Sonar21 shed some very important light on Trump's statement- Both of them strongly suspect that Trump is engaged in some serious trolling. Trump may believe a bit of what he says, but not enough to invest in Ukraine. I'll start with Simplicius, as the very title of his article says a lot:
simplicius76.substack.com

Trump Shocks World With Major Ukrainian U-Turn (...Or Did He Fool Us All?)

As I was writing the previous report, Trump had tweeted something which has nearly “broken the internet”—at least the Russo-Ukrainian political side of it.
simplicius76.substack.com simplicius76.substack.com

I see that the full title doesn't quite show from the preview, so I'll just put it here:
**

Trump Shocks World With Major Ukrainian U-Turn (...Or Did He Fool Us All?)​

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I'll now quote the free part of his article:
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As I was writing the previous report, Trump had tweeted something which has nearly “broken the internet”—at least the Russo-Ukrainian political side of it. I figured it would be more fitting to do a quick separate article on the matter, given that it seemed immediately obvious to me what was happening, and required no further rumination.

Yes, ol’ Devious Don has shocked the world with a new “180-degree turn” on Ukraine, as expressed in his latest diatribe-as-tweet. In it, the Donald suddenly reverses course to fully back Ukraine fighting on and retaking all of its ‘historic’ land from Russia to the 1991 borders and even beyond, as he implies Ukraine could perhaps even march on Moscow, taking cues from Yushchenko’s latest moment of enlightenment.

Some even see this as a kind of major declaration of war against Russia, and proof that the US will now funnel every imaginable weapon, and do everything in its power to “defeat” Russia in this mother-of-all-proxies .

Without further ado, the scandalous screed in question:

[Trump post you've just quoted]

It has unleashed a torrent of teeth-gnashing “told-you-sos”, “fell-for-it-again-award” disbursals, and other “gotcha” slams from the doomer corner which considers the decisive tweet as the triumphal vindication of their long-held narrative that Trump would end up escalating to wage war on Russia.

But, being ever the contrarian, I must beg to differ on this view, as there are clear signs of something entirely different going on, if you read between the lines—and maybe even if you don’t.
**

Now for a good chunk of the paid part:
**
My thoughts:

Trump’s rant has clear signs of light trolling mixed with exasperation and a kind of play-acting performance that essentially seeks to dump the war on Europe and NATO in a way that nobly leaves him looking like a team-player and ardent supporter. If you really read between the lines, you begin to smell the saccharine sarcasm: “Yep, you guys sure were right! How could I have missed it? Ukraine is much stronger than I thought, and it can not only take back ALL its territory, but even plow all the way to Moscow!”

This appears to be an advanced form of trolling. And the fact that Trump flatly states “with the support of Europe and NATO”—rather than the US—means he’s washing his hands of the conflict. The small gibes against Russia are merely his way of expressing disappointment with Putin for not sucking up to him and handing him that easy Nobel Peace Prize on a golden platter.

We saw recently that Trump had already out-maneuvered Europe by forcing them to put-up-or-shutup: this is merely the logical continuation and conclusion of that play. Here he’s bowing out of the war by exaggerating his loyalty to the Establishment directive—it’s a performance, and a good one, considering how many people fell for it.

A big clue to the theater was his small media photo-op with Macron, where Trump recounted his blockbuster tweet while adding in a little mocking pizazz in his characteristic style, when he tells Macron not only that “I hear France is doing very well” but also that “We’ve gotten along on almost everything imaginable”:

[video of Trump talking in a press conference with Macrons]

Anyone who can’t recognize the classic teasing game Trump is playing here likely does not quite understand his characteristic “style”. With its latest collapsed government, riots, and social disorder, France is doing worse than ever, and Trump knows this—while Trump and Macron’s relationship is virtually famous for its disagreements; so this statement provides a kind of ‘key’ or ‘legend’ to gleaning the Don’s eccentric mental games when it comes to the latest U-turn.

What he’s really done is recognized that the media and his opponents won’t cut him any slack—which his ego is extremely sensitive to—unless he exaggerates his praise and commitment to the Establishment ‘cause’. So he went and flipped the script: “They want hysterical cheerleading? Fine, I’ll give it to them.”

After getting into ‘character’, he says: “Ah yes, now I’ve seen the light. Ukraine can win the war and conquer Moscow, good luck to everyone involved, have fun!”

Sadly, Zelensky has again fallen for the trap. He was absolutely wide-eyed with child-like glee and relief during his meeting with Trump today, tragically clueless to the fact that he’d again been set up and thrown to the wolves by ‘Daddy’.

It’s vivid as day:

Trump_tweet.png

And with that, he’s washed his hands of the whole thing, while proudly taking in the profits from the “killing” he so vocally decried—from an earlier statement:

[video statement from Trump on Fox news in original]

But I do aver this could be a very controversial opinion of mine, given how many people are well wroth with righteous fury over in social media land. Perhaps I’ll turn out to be wrong on this latest Trump twist. One thing is certain, it’s not any kind of usual ‘5D’ Qanon coping that has led to this conclusion, but rather the pieces falling into place into a logical ‘exit strategy’ for Trump, with his usual theatrical flair.
**

Now for Sonar21's article:

Quoting part of it below:
**
If you read the latest Trump Truth (that is what he calls his posts on Truth Social) that is posted above, you will come to the reasonable conclusion that Trump has either changed his position on the war in Ukraine and accepted the delusional beliefs of General Kellogg or he is engaged in some massive sarcasm.

Well, based on what happened subsequently at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), it looks like Trump was doing sarcasm. Following Trump’s meeting with Zelensky, France, Germany, the UK, and Ukraine proposed a resolution to the UNSC that called for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine, the release of all hostages, and for Russia to immediately and unconditionally lift all restrictions on humanitarian aid entry to affected regions. The resolution also reaffirmed Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and urged Russia to engage in meaningful negotiations to end the war. The initiative was framed as a direct response to escalating Russian attacks, civilian casualties, and violations of international law, and was presented during a high-level Security Council meeting amid broad European and international support.

The United States UN representative, acting on orders of President Trump, participated actively in related diplomatic discussions, but ultimately vetoed the resolution. The US government justified its veto by emphasizing its preference for ongoing direct negotiations and mediation efforts, and expressing concerns that the resolution’s language or requirements might impede the fragile diplomatic momentum currently underway between Ukraine and Russia and international mediators. While commending European partners for their support of Ukraine and urging continued pressure on Russia, the US insisted that further Council action should not restrict the possibility of peace talks or escalate tensions further. The US remains committed to backing Ukraine and facilitating diplomatic efforts but did not support the resolution in its current form. In other words, I think Trump is buying time for Russia to finish Ukraine off while taking a public posture that allows him to appear to support Ukraine.

It appears that Trump is opting for the crazy like a fox strategy, but he is doing it in a clumsy, crass manner in my opinion. In his Truth post, Trump repeats General Kellogg’s false claims that Russia is struggling on the battlefield and is on the verge of economic collapse. Instead of failing on the battlefield, the Russians are steadily advancing and inflicting heavy casualties on Ukraine all along the line of contact.
**
 
Scott said:
In my view, both Simplicius and Sonar21 shed some very important light on Trump's statement- Both of them strongly suspect that Trump is engaged in some serious trolling. Trump may believe a bit of what he says, but not enough to invest in Ukraine. I'll start with Simplicius, as the very title of his article says a lot:
simplicius76.substack.com

Trump Shocks World With Major Ukrainian U-Turn (...Or Did He Fool Us All?)

As I was writing the previous report, Trump had tweeted something which has nearly “broken the internet”—at least the Russo-Ukrainian political side of it.
simplicius76.substack.com simplicius76.substack.com

I see that the full title doesn't quite show from the preview, so I'll just put it here:
**

Trump Shocks World With Major Ukrainian U-Turn (...Or Did He Fool Us All?)​

**

I'll now quote the free part of his article:
**
As I was writing the previous report, Trump had tweeted something which has nearly “broken the internet”—at least the Russo-Ukrainian political side of it. I figured it would be more fitting to do a quick separate article on the matter, given that it seemed immediately obvious to me what was happening, and required no further rumination.

Yes, ol’ Devious Don has shocked the world with a new “180-degree turn” on Ukraine, as expressed in his latest diatribe-as-tweet. In it, the Donald suddenly reverses course to fully back Ukraine fighting on and retaking all of its ‘historic’ land from Russia to the 1991 borders and even beyond, as he implies Ukraine could perhaps even march on Moscow, taking cues from Yushchenko’s latest moment of enlightenment.

Some even see this as a kind of major declaration of war against Russia, and proof that the US will now funnel every imaginable weapon, and do everything in its power to “defeat” Russia in this mother-of-all-proxies .

Without further ado, the scandalous screed in question:

[Trump post you've just quoted]

It has unleashed a torrent of teeth-gnashing “told-you-sos”, “fell-for-it-again-award” disbursals, and other “gotcha” slams from the doomer corner which considers the decisive tweet as the triumphal vindication of their long-held narrative that Trump would end up escalating to wage war on Russia.

But, being ever the contrarian, I must beg to differ on this view, as there are clear signs of something entirely different going on, if you read between the lines—and maybe even if you don’t.
**

Now for a good chunk of the paid part:
**
My thoughts:

Trump’s rant has clear signs of light trolling mixed with exasperation and a kind of play-acting performance that essentially seeks to dump the war on Europe and NATO in a way that nobly leaves him looking like a team-player and ardent supporter. If you really read between the lines, you begin to smell the saccharine sarcasm: “Yep, you guys sure were right! How could I have missed it? Ukraine is much stronger than I thought, and it can not only take back ALL its territory, but even plow all the way to Moscow!”

This appears to be an advanced form of trolling. And the fact that Trump flatly states “with the support of Europe and NATO”—rather than the US—means he’s washing his hands of the conflict. The small gibes against Russia are merely his way of expressing disappointment with Putin for not sucking up to him and handing him that easy Nobel Peace Prize on a golden platter.

We saw recently that Trump had already out-maneuvered Europe by forcing them to put-up-or-shutup: this is merely the logical continuation and conclusion of that play. Here he’s bowing out of the war by exaggerating his loyalty to the Establishment directive—it’s a performance, and a good one, considering how many people fell for it.

A big clue to the theater was his small media photo-op with Macron, where Trump recounted his blockbuster tweet while adding in a little mocking pizazz in his characteristic style, when he tells Macron not only that “I hear France is doing very well” but also that “We’ve gotten along on almost everything imaginable”:

[video of Trump talking in a press conference with Macrons]

Anyone who can’t recognize the classic teasing game Trump is playing here likely does not quite understand his characteristic “style”. With its latest collapsed government, riots, and social disorder, France is doing worse than ever, and Trump knows this—while Trump and Macron’s relationship is virtually famous for its disagreements; so this statement provides a kind of ‘key’ or ‘legend’ to gleaning the Don’s eccentric mental games when it comes to the latest U-turn.

What he’s really done is recognized that the media and his opponents won’t cut him any slack—which his ego is extremely sensitive to—unless he exaggerates his praise and commitment to the Establishment ‘cause’. So he went and flipped the script: “They want hysterical cheerleading? Fine, I’ll give it to them.”

After getting into ‘character’, he says: “Ah yes, now I’ve seen the light. Ukraine can win the war and conquer Moscow, good luck to everyone involved, have fun!”

Sadly, Zelensky has again fallen for the trap. He was absolutely wide-eyed with child-like glee and relief during his meeting with Trump today, tragically clueless to the fact that he’d again been set up and thrown to the wolves by ‘Daddy’.

It’s vivid as day:

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And with that, he’s washed his hands of the whole thing, while proudly taking in the profits from the “killing” he so vocally decried—from an earlier statement:

[video statement from Trump on Fox news in original]

But I do aver this could be a very controversial opinion of mine, given how many people are well wroth with righteous fury over in social media land. Perhaps I’ll turn out to be wrong on this latest Trump twist. One thing is certain, it’s not any kind of usual ‘5D’ Qanon coping that has led to this conclusion, but rather the pieces falling into place into a logical ‘exit strategy’ for Trump, with his usual theatrical flair.
**

Now for Sonar21's article:

Quoting part of it below:
**
If you read the latest Trump Truth (that is what he calls his posts on Truth Social) that is posted above, you will come to the reasonable conclusion that Trump has either changed his position on the war in Ukraine and accepted the delusional beliefs of General Kellogg or he is engaged in some massive sarcasm.

Well, based on what happened subsequently at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), it looks like Trump was doing sarcasm. Following Trump’s meeting with Zelensky, France, Germany, the UK, and Ukraine proposed a resolution to the UNSC that called for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine, the release of all hostages, and for Russia to immediately and unconditionally lift all restrictions on humanitarian aid entry to affected regions. The resolution also reaffirmed Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and urged Russia to engage in meaningful negotiations to end the war. The initiative was framed as a direct response to escalating Russian attacks, civilian casualties, and violations of international law, and was presented during a high-level Security Council meeting amid broad European and international support.

The United States UN representative, acting on orders of President Trump, participated actively in related diplomatic discussions, but ultimately vetoed the resolution. The US government justified its veto by emphasizing its preference for ongoing direct negotiations and mediation efforts, and expressing concerns that the resolution’s language or requirements might impede the fragile diplomatic momentum currently underway between Ukraine and Russia and international mediators. While commending European partners for their support of Ukraine and urging continued pressure on Russia, the US insisted that further Council action should not restrict the possibility of peace talks or escalate tensions further. The US remains committed to backing Ukraine and facilitating diplomatic efforts but did not support the resolution in its current form. In other words, I think Trump is buying time for Russia to finish Ukraine off while taking a public posture that allows him to appear to support Ukraine.

It appears that Trump is opting for the crazy like a fox strategy, but he is doing it in a clumsy, crass manner in my opinion. In his Truth post, Trump repeats General Kellogg’s false claims that Russia is struggling on the battlefield and is on the verge of economic collapse. Instead of failing on the battlefield, the Russians are steadily advancing and inflicting heavy casualties on Ukraine all along the line of contact.
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I cant be bothered to read all that.

Trump is weak and he is stupid.

My heart weeps.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I cant be bothered to read all that.
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I'll sum it up for you- there are strong indications that Trump doesn't believe a lot of what he wrote- that instead, a lot of it is actually sarcasm. Actions speak a lot louder than words. Do you see Trump actually investing in Ukraine, or just telling Europe that they can handle the situation?
 
Scott said:
I'll sum it up for you- there are strong indications that Trump doesn't believe a lot of what he wrote- that instead, a lot of it is actually sarcasm. Actions speak a lot louder than words. Do you see Trump actually investing in Ukraine, or just telling Europe that they can handle the situation?
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Trump will not be saving us.

What is the next idea?
 
We are on Wonder Weapon #19 in our aggression against Russia.....all have failed.

This one is going to be different?

SHOW ME.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
I'll sum it up for you- there are strong indications that Trump doesn't believe a lot of what he wrote- that instead, a lot of it is actually sarcasm. Actions speak a lot louder than words. Do you see Trump actually investing in Ukraine, or just telling Europe that they can handle the situation?
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Trump will not be saving us.
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You've switched subjects :-p. This isn't about Trump saving us, but rather that Trump knows in his heart that Ukraine is a losing investment and isn't willing to put any more American dollars on it.
 
Scott said:
You've switched subjects :-p. This isn't about Trump saving us, but rather that Trump knows in his heart that Ukraine is a losing investment and isn't willing to put any more American dollars on it.
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Trump is all in on total war against Russia.....not one God Damn thing has changed.

What his heart knows is irrelevant.....he is too weak to follow it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is all in on total war against Russia....
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If that were true, nukes would have started to fly a while ago. For a while now, Trump's been telling Europe to go first and he'll be 'right behind'. I think he knows full well that Europe can't handle Russia and that the most the U.S. could do would be to start a nuclear war with them. Trump doesn't want that, so regardless of whatever Europe manages to accomplish, Trump won't be following suit with anything substantive.
 
Scott said:
If that were true, nukes would have started to fly a while ago. For a while now, Trump's been telling Europe to go first and he'll be 'right behind'. I think he knows full well that Europe can't handle Russia and that the most the U.S. could do would be to start a nuclear war with them. Trump doesn't want that, so regardless of whatever Europe manages to accomplish, Trump won't be following suit with anything substantive.
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Nothing has changed......it is still full speed ahead for nuclear war.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
If that were true, nukes would have started to fly a while ago. For a while now, Trump's been telling Europe to go first and he'll be 'right behind'. I think he knows full well that Europe can't handle Russia and that the most the U.S. could do would be to start a nuclear war with them. Trump doesn't want that, so regardless of whatever Europe manages to accomplish, Trump won't be following suit with anything substantive.
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Nothing has changed......it is still full speed ahead for nuclear war.
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Trump has certainly said some dumb things- the bit about saying that U.S. nuclear subs would get closer to Russia for instance. But that seems to have been the last time he did something like that. Recently, he seems to be talking a big game but when it comes to actions that would actually escalate things with Russia, he's holding back.
 
Scott said:
If that were true, nukes would have started to fly a while ago. For a while now, Trump's been telling Europe to go first and he'll be 'right behind'. I think he knows full well that Europe can't handle Russia and that the most the U.S. could do would be to start a nuclear war with them. Trump doesn't want that, so regardless of whatever Europe manages to accomplish, Trump won't be following suit with anything substantive.
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As much as you claim to follow the evidence unjustified HopeEm is what you offer.
 
Scott said:
Trump has certainly said some dumb things- the bit about saying that U.S. nuclear subs would get closer to Russia for instance. But that seems to have been the last time he did something like that. Recently, he seems to be talking a big game but when it comes to actions that would actually escalate things with Russia, he's holding back.
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Bull Shit.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Scott said:
If that were true, nukes would have started to fly a while ago. For a while now, Trump's been telling Europe to go first and he'll be 'right behind'. I think he knows full well that Europe can't handle Russia and that the most the U.S. could do would be to start a nuclear war with them. Trump doesn't want that, so regardless of whatever Europe manages to accomplish, Trump won't be following suit with anything substantive.
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As much as you claim to follow the evidence unjustified HopeEm is what you offer.
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I'm just observing reality- nukes haven't yet started to fly. Now, I'm not saying it's not possible that this won't happen in the future. I just don't see any solid evidence that things are heading that way at the moment.
 
Scott said:
I'm just observing reality- nukes haven't yet started to fly. Now, I'm not saying it's not possible that this won't happen in the future. I just don't see any solid evidence that things are heading that way at the moment.
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You R Wrong.
 
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