Abortion

[Into the Night]

Every observation is its own substantiation.

Heh. Flawed as the observation might be, you are absolutely right here!

 

[Into the Night]

I feel bad that you had to go through the trouble of reinventing that wheel. Systems engineers understand these concepts as "composite" and "containment" relationships and in only two words, such matters are correctly resolved and everyone can move on to the next question/topic.

If you mail-order four skateboard wheels, two trucks, a board, various screws, etc..., i.e. the components of a skateboard, when they all arrive in a box at your doorstep, you do not have (a valid) skateboard. What you have is a bunch of components that each have a "containment" relationship with the box, i.e. the components are contained in the box, and are not configured. You purchased those components because, in your mind, you envisioned a certain configuration of those components that would be greater than the mere sum of the individual components, and would be worth more to you configured in that way than those individual components, i.e. you'd be able to ride a skateboard! When properly configured, each component would then have a "composite" relationship with "valid skateboard". A validly configured skateboard then acquires EMERGENT properties (this is the key), i.e. properties that did not exist when those components were not validly configured, such as usability as a skateboard!

Most humans generally value human life, with "life" being the emergent property of one's properly configured physiology. Killing a living human involves disrupting that valid configuration and removing the emergent behavior. Now that I think about it, an abortion is a great example of such.

So, for the bad news, your statement is incorrect. No living human is somehow a properly configured sperm+egg. Both the sperm and the egg are destroyed, and a living human is produced (conservation of mass applies) with my definitions leaving an irritating 3-week gap for the heart to develop before I declare generally that he is alive. My objective is to bridge the gap from my definition to your definition without you moving.

When a sperm fertilizes an egg, there is a transformative organic emergence, and you won't find that in Wikipedia or in any dictionary or encyclopedia, so I suppose that you can say that it therefore obviously doesn't happen. Christians point to this as God endowing a human with life, i.e. conception. From a Christian's perspective, an abortion is more than just the killing of a living human; it is a direct insult to God who just blessed the world with a wonderful new creation. As Into the Night mentioned, whether or not there is a beating heart, right there is God's gift to the world and no one has the right to deprive him of his inalienable rights that are endowed by God (one's Creator). The Constitution is supposed to be interpreted as protecting the inalienable rights of all, not just of those at certain life stages.

Well put!

 

[AProudLefty]

Heh. Flawed as the observation might be, you are absolutely right here!

Observations on you are not incorrect.

 

[Into the Night]

Have you ever considered that said dictionary simply made an editorial decision to alter its usage descriptions so that the politically rabid will continue to use their dictionary? You and your supremacist colleagues might very well bully and intimidate others, but that doesn't work with me.

Also, you make yourself look really stupid when you announce that you aren't smart enough to understand terms that aren't in the dictionary that you peruse.

Quite right. A redefinition fallacy still occurs even if the redefinition is popular or if it appears in a dictionary. It is still a redefinition fallacy.

 

[AProudLefty]

Quite right. A redefinition fallacy still occurs even if the redefinition is popular or if it appears in a dictionary. It is still a redefinition fallacy.

@IBDaMann @gfm7175 and @Into the Night talking to each other. Adorable.

 

[Scott]

I can't, but I can certainly cite some sobering statistics about their children:
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Child mortality is one of the world’s largest problems. Around 6 million children under 15 die per year. That’s around 16,000 deaths every day, or 11 every minute.

This devastating statistic reveals the vast number of children whose lives end before they can discover their talents, passions, and dreams as they grow older – and represents the impact of child mortality on so many people’s lives: parents, siblings, families, and communities.

What’s tragic is how many of these deaths are preventable. Most are caused by malnutrition, birth conditions such as preterm birth, sepsis and trauma [snip]
**
Source:

Child and Infant Mortality

Child mortality remains one of the world’s largest problems and is a painful reminder of work yet to be done. With global data on where, when, and how child deaths occur, we can accelerate efforts to prevent them.

ourworldindata.org

Nope. I can't cross-examine statistics [snip]

Agreed. You can certainly respect them though.

Nope. Leftists routinely fabricate statistics, and when they don't, leftists don't disclose the problem's in the underlying data.

Setting aside your distrust of leftists, do you even have any evidence that the statistics in questions were done by people on the left?

I do not respect statistics, especially when they run counter to logic and common sense

What about the statistics in question do you believe "run counter to logic and common sense"?

 

[Scott]

I can't, but I can certainly cite some sobering statistics about their children:
**
Child mortality is one of the world’s largest problems. Around 6 million children under 15 die per year. That’s around 16,000 deaths every day, or 11 every minute.

This devastating statistic reveals the vast number of children whose lives end before they can discover their talents, passions, and dreams as they grow older – and represents the impact of child mortality on so many people’s lives: parents, siblings, families, and communities.

What’s tragic is how many of these deaths are preventable. Most are caused by malnutrition, birth conditions such as preterm birth, sepsis and trauma [snip]
**
Source:

Child and Infant Mortality

Child mortality remains one of the world’s largest problems and is a painful reminder of work yet to be done. With global data on where, when, and how child deaths occur, we can accelerate efforts to prevent them.

ourworldindata.org

Nope. I can't cross-examine statistics, especially ones that are fabricated.

Do you have any evidence that they are fabricated?

I don't have to.

Here, at least, we can agree. This isn't a court of law. Presenting evidence certainly isn't required here. It's certainly a good -idea- if one wants to maintain one's credibility, but if that's not an issue, then presenting evidence clearly isn't necessary.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I agree with 1 and I think I agree with 2. However, with 3, I have my doubts that there is some medical way to determine when pregnancy termination would be akin to murder.

Actually, there is.....because unlike the idiot claims by the rabid "pro-life" folk, there has never been a "post birth abortion".