Hamas agrees to most of TRUMP peace plan

[Tobytone]

Its fashionable like sushi

Absolutely. Many of these young drones, raised in privilege and taught by their professors and mentors that their parents are clueless fools, are just chasing clout. They parrot what they think will win them praise from their peers and puppet masters. Bitter, hate-filled, and downright vile professors feed them a laundry list of libtard lies, reveling in their mission to churn out brain-dead drones.

These kids are only good for spewing propaganda and doing the bidding of their elitist overlords, who hide in gated communities, sipping wine and toasting their success at wrecking a generation of bright minds. They cheer every win in their divide-and-conquer game, thriving on the chaos they’ve sown working hard to tear the country apart to be rebuilt in their utopian vision.

 

[FastLane]

All absolutely true. Also absolutely nothing to do with what I just posted.

I was discussing the two state solution you say you are in favor of.

 

[FastLane]

Absolutely. Many of these young drones, raised in privilege and taught by their professors and mentors that their parents are clueless fools, are just chasing clout. They parrot what they think will win them praise from their peers and puppet masters. Bitter, hate-filled, and downright vile professors feed them a laundry list of libtard lies, reveling in their mission to churn out brain-dead drones.

These kids are only good for spewing propaganda and doing the bidding of their elitist overlords, who hide in gated communities, sipping wine and toasting their success at wrecking a generation of bright minds. They cheer every win in their divide-and-conquer game, thriving on the chaos they’ve sown working hard to tear the country apart to be rebuilt in their utopian vision.

My own son who is very right wing was saying the Israels were committing genocide. I gently informed him that Israel had trucked in over 300,000 tons of supplies to Gaza and showed him videos of Hamas terrorists commandeering trucks for themselves. Then I showed him videos of Hamas in a tunnel waving fresh bananas , grapes and oranges in front of an emaciated hostage. He was also sympathetic with Greta trying to get aid into Gaza. I showed where the Pope and the Italian prime minister. both offered to delivery the aid Greta was supposedly bring to Gaza and Greta refused. Then I showed him a video of the cargo hold of the largest freight carrier in Greta's flotilla and it was empty. It sure looks like there was never any aid and this was just a publicity stunt. I told him if Israel wanted to commit genocide they could easily wipe out 90% of every Palestinian with the risk of boots on the ground. Yes there have been Palestinian civilians that have died. Hamas should have never started this war and then hide behind civilians. My son has now changed his views about the war.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Biden and Harris did not promise to end it on day 1.

Biden and Harris couldn't have done it if it was the ONLY thing they had to do. Harris proved that as "Border Czar." Biden proved it on the same issue. After all, Trump came into office and in less than a month illegal border crossings dropped like 98%.

 

[Tobytone]

My own son who is very right wing was saying the Israels were committing genocide. I gently informed him that Israel had trucked in over 300,000 tons of supplies to Gaza and showed him videos of Hamas terrorists commandeering trucks for themselves. Then I showed him videos of Hamas in a tunnel waving fresh bananas , grapes and oranges in front of an emaciated hostage. He was also sympathetic with Greta trying to get aid into Gaza. I showed where the Pope and the Italian prime minister. both offered to delivery the aid Greta was supposedly bring to Gaza and Greta refused. Then I showed him a video of the cargo hold of the largest freight carrier in Greta's flotilla and it was empty. It sure looks like there was never any aid and this was just a publicity stunt. I told him if Israel wanted to commit genocide they could easily wipe out 90% of every Palestinian with the risk of boots on the ground. Yes there have been Palestinian civilians that have died. Hamas should have never started this war and then hide behind civilians. My son has now changed his views about the war.

Nice work, but you’re damn lucky your son wasn’t fully brainwashed into thinking you’re the bigot and fool, like so many mush-brained kids out there. Clearly, he started with a sharp, independent mind. Props to you. I nearly lost my daughter to the libtard machine in law school. They got their claws in her, but she’s still a thinker and sees through most of the insanity of so-called “educators.” Thankfully, law school still demands some real teaching, unlike the worthless majors drowning in rampant propaganda, rewritten history, and vile lies about America. That said, it was close, she'll continue to see the truth as she grows and matures in a place called reality.

 

[QP!]

So you admit the Jews owned the land until they were thrown out by the Arabs and the Jews remained as a distinct but displaced people until they took the land back

That is not exactly accurate if you are going back in to deep history.

The Jews are considered one of the founding peoples of Palestinian sharing common ancestors from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with other peoples of the Levant, in that time frame.

As a founding people of Palestine that does mean that the Jews, along with those who remain identified as Palestinians have the same claims to what are called 'historic lands stolen from the Palestinian peoples'.

That is why i have always said the Arab nations have thrown billions into current Palestine to ensure no peace and land deal ever gets done (why Arafat had over 1B in his bank when he died) because the only thing worse for the Arab nations then having an Israeli state on their border is having an Israeli and Palestine state BOTH, on their border.

A peaceful Palestinian and Israeli state would instantly see the Palestinians pivot and start pressuring the neighbouring Arab nations to give back "stolen lands" as the Arabs are not an original people to those lands but sit on most of the oil rich lands that Palestinians would want next.

 

[QP!]

Biden and Harris couldn't have done it if it was the ONLY thing they had to do. Harris proved that as "Border Czar." Biden proved it on the same issue. After all, Trump came into office and in less than a month illegal border crossings dropped like 98%.

Trump stopping illegal border crossings via breaking international laws and with some of the most immoral actions possible is not something to brag about even if you are happy with the result.

i could stop all speeding and Jwalking tomorrow if i gave the police the power to shoot and kill offenders on the spot. We might like the result with the end of speeding and jwalking but no one should think the method is a good one or should have been done by any other party.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Trump stopping illegal border crossings via breaking international laws and with some of the most immoral actions possible is not something to brag about even if you are happy with the result.

What "international laws?" How were his actions "immoral?"

i could stop all speeding and Jwalking tomorrow if i gave the police the power to shoot and kill offenders on the spot.

No, you couldn't. It would still occur. Maybe a lot less, but it would still occur.

We might like the result with the end of speeding and jwalking but no one should think the method is a good one or should have been done by any other party.

Aside from my answer above, this is just another argumentum ad absurdum fallacy on your part.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Hamas accepts Trump peace plan ending 2 years of war in Gaza, returning hostages​

Hamas accepts Trump peace plan ending 2 years of war in Gaza, returning hostages

Hamas agrees to President Donald Trump's Gaza peace plan that calls for release of all 48 hostages and complete Israeli withdrawal in exchange for Hamas disarmament.

www.foxnews.com

Hamas welcomes parts of US proposal for ending Gaza war, says it’s prepared to free all hostages, but seeks follow-up talks​

MSN

Netanyahu hopes to announce release of all hostages from Gaza "in the coming days" after Hamas agreed to parts of Trump peace plan​

Netanyahu hopes to announce release of all hostages from Gaza "in the coming days" after Hamas agreed to parts of Trump peace plan

The plan called for Hamas to return all Israeli hostages and for the Israeli military to begin withdrawing from parts of the Gaza Strip in phases.

www.cbsnews.com

yes.

netanyahu is a creature of hope and light.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

yes.

netanyahu is a creature of hope and light.

Question: Who from Hamas is still alive to negotiate on this anyway?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Question: Who from Hamas is still alive to negotiate on this anyway?

wow.

genocide so cool, ya satanic freak.

 

[QP!]

What "international laws?" How were his actions "immoral?"


No, you couldn't. It would still occur. Maybe a lot less, but it would still occur.

Aside from my answer above, this is just another argumentum ad absurdum fallacy on your part.

we have discussed this before and you were wrong then so you will be wrong now.

It is cruel and unusual punishment to take someone, who has merely crossed the border illegally seeking asylum and who walked to America and has no money or ID and to fly them to war torn countries in other continents across the oceans, so they have no means to get home and no means to effectively communicate with the population.

There is no argument that punishment is proportional to the crime of 'crossing the border illegally', when instead you could take them and drop them somewhere like Costa Rica or other S.American countries where they might be able to stay or walk back home.

Now we know you like this type of gratitutous immoral and illegal punishment so you try to defend it, but you cannot.

There simply is no way to say that punishment is proportional to the crime.

 

[QP!]

...
No, you couldn't. It would still occur. Maybe a lot less, but it would still occur.

Aside from my answer above, this is just another argumentum ad absurdum fallacy on your part.

And as always you never know what you are talking so you STFU and listen and learn.

Just as you say shooting people would not 100% stop those crimes, Trump measures, despite Magat lies have not 100% stopped illegal border crossing. So my example is perfect as it is "...a lot less..." as you say but in both examples

Illegal crossings along U.S.-Mexico border plummet to lowest annual level since 1970​

...U.S. Border Patrol agents recorded nearly 238,000 apprehensions of migrants crossing the southern border illegally in fiscal year 2025, which began in October of last year and ended on Sept. 30, according to the preliminary Department of Homeland Security data...

 

[domer76]

Biden and Harris couldn't have done it if it was the ONLY thing they had to do. Harris proved that as "Border Czar." Biden proved it on the same issue. After all, Trump came into office and in less than a month illegal border crossings dropped like 98%.

“Could not” and “if”. Is that the best you cultists gave? Suppositional bullshit?

Immigration has ZERO to do with Trump’s lie about ending the war on day 1, fucking moron.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

we have discussed this before and you were wrong then so you will be wrong now.

It is cruel and unusual punishment to take someone, who has merely crossed the border illegally seeking asylum and who walked to America and has no money or ID and to fly them to war torn countries in other continents across the oceans, so they have no means to get home and no means to effectively communicate with the population.

No it isn't. Someone who ILLEGALLY crossed the border has no validity in claiming they seek asylum after committing a criminal act. If you wanted asylum, you should have sought it at the first safe place you came to where you could contact the nation you are requesting it from, like a US embassy in a third nation.
That someone "walked to America and has no money or ID..." is their problem and theirs alone. That is just an appeal to pity fallacy.
If they are in the US illegally, they can be arrested, charged, and when found guilty, deported. If that isn't possible to their home country, it can be done to a third-party nation willing to take them.
What "war torn countr" has the US deported someone to? If your home nation is on another continent or across an ocean, well that's on you again when we deport you there.

There is no argument that punishment is proportional to the crime of 'crossing the border illegally', when instead you could take them and drop them somewhere like Costa Rica or other S.American countries where they might be able to stay or walk back home.

For a first offense of illegal entry the penalty can be civil or criminal. Civil is deportation with a 10 year no return attached. Criminal it is a misdemeanor with a small fine and deportation with the same 10 year no return requirement. A second or more offense is a felony. That seems more than fair to me.

When a first offense is aggravated by breaking other laws like, illegal employment, illegal use of government resources, or committing other crimes, those weigh on the finding for deportation. Normally, someone is sent to their country of origin. But if there are valid reasons that they shouldn't be sent there, they can go to a third nation that will take them.

Now we know you like this type of gratitutous immoral and illegal punishment so you try to defend it, but you cannot.

Nothing in that is gratuitous, immoral, or illegal. You are the one defending immoral and illegal actions.

There simply is no way to say that punishment is proportional to the crime.

The punishment for a first offense of illegal entry as I pointed out is pretty mild. You get deported--preferably to your nation of origin--and can't return to the US for 10 years. What do you think is a fitting punishment for breaking the immigration laws of the US and entering the country illegally?

 

[FastLane]

That is not exactly accurate if you are going back in to deep history.

The Jews are considered one of the founding peoples of Palestinian sharing common ancestors from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with other peoples of the Levant, in that time frame.

As a founding people of Palestine that does mean that the Jews, along with those who remain identified as Palestinians have the same claims to what are called 'historic lands stolen from the Palestinian peoples'.

That is why i have always said the Arab nations have thrown billions into current Palestine to ensure no peace and land deal ever gets done (why Arafat had over 1B in his bank when he died) because the only thing worse for the Arab nations then having an Israeli state on their border is having an Israeli and Palestine state BOTH, on their border.

A peaceful Palestinian and Israeli state would instantly see the Palestinians pivot and start pressuring the neighbouring Arab nations to give back "stolen lands" as the Arabs are not an original people to those lands but sit on most of the oil rich lands that Palestinians would want next.

The "Palestinians" are not a millennium old distinct people like the Jews are they are a blended people from several different Arab countries. Israel was owned by the Jews 3500 years ago. Arabs threw the Jews out in 700 CE

 

[anonymoose]

So you caved and are willing to coddle and negotiate with bloodthirsty Hamas?

ftfy

lol

 

[QP!]

No it isn't. Someone who ILLEGALLY crossed the border has no validity in claiming they seek asylum after committing a criminal act. If you wanted asylum, you should have sought it at the first safe place you came to where you could contact the nation you are requesting it from, like a US embassy in a third nation.
That someone "walked to America and has no money or ID..." is their problem and theirs alone. That is just an appeal to pity fallacy.
If they are in the US illegally, they can be arrested, charged, and when found guilty, deported. If that isn't possible to their home country, it can be done to a third-party nation willing to take them.
What "war torn countr" has the US deported someone to? If your home nation is on another continent or across an ocean, well that's on you again when we deport you there.


For a first offense of illegal entry the penalty can be civil or criminal. Civil is deportation with a 10 year no return attached. Criminal it is a misdemeanor with a small fine and deportation with the same 10 year no return requirement. A second or more offense is a felony. That seems more than fair to me.

When a first offense is aggravated by breaking other laws like, illegal employment, illegal use of government resources, or committing other crimes, those weigh on the finding for deportation. Normally, someone is sent to their country of origin. But if there are valid reasons that they shouldn't be sent there, they can go to a third nation that will take them.


Nothing in that is gratuitous, immoral, or illegal. You are the one defending immoral and illegal actions.

The punishment for a first offense of illegal entry as I pointed out is pretty mild. You get deported--preferably to your nation of origin--and can't return to the US for 10 years. What do you think is a fitting punishment for breaking the immigration laws of the US and entering the country illegally?

What you are saying is stupid and contemptable.

Committing a crime does not mean 'too bad now i can give you any punishment i want without proportionality'.

When punishment is not proportional to the crime and goes so far beyond it becomes 'cruel and unusual'. You cannot simply say as you that because i can do it therefore it is appropriate.

There is no argument it that is not excessive to send a south american to war torn African country when they have no money, no ID and no way to leave that country and continent.

• Eighth Amendment:
  The Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"....

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  Again you simply cannot argue it is not cruel to them, because by definition it is cruel. It is also unusual, in that no country, including America has ever punished someone for merely crossing their border illegally with such a punishment that traps for a life sentence in a war torn foreign country on another continent.
  

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump brings peace - the smattering of leftists still on this board must be shitting themselves....

 

[QP!]

The "Palestinians" are not a millennium old distinct people like the Jews are they are a blended people from several different Arab countries. Israel was owned by the Jews 3500 years ago. Arabs threw the Jews out in 700 CE

The "Palestinians" would be descendants of the Canaanite peoples, to which the Jews also belonged and it is thought there would be a blend of Canaanites in that earliest version of United Monarchy of Israel which is thought to be a unified kingdom under King David and Solomon around 1000 BCE.

It was not a pure singular people in the region at the time even if you could argue Jews were predominant.