Charlie Kirk: "1 in 22 black men will be a murderer in their lifetime"

[christiefan915]

OK,....In your opinion when someone like say a Joy Reed makes sweeping statements about " White people" the way she does is that also racist ? Because it IS Christie,....it absolutely IS , regardless of which race is making the sweeping statements and which race is on the receiving end of it. I do hope we can agree on this simply because I have always held you in a higher regard in comparison to some of the other LW ers here.

I don't know who Joy Reed is but don't like sweeping statements about white people either. As a white person I don't want to be judged by skin color any more than a black person would.

 

[Stone]

I don't know who Joy Reed is but don't like sweeping statements about white people either. As a white person I don't want to be judged by skin color any more than a black person would.

GOOD,....we are in agreement.

 

[Into the Night]

When you make negative sweeping generalizations about blacks like Kirk did, you're a racist.

Redefinition fallacy. Racism is a compositional error involving people as the class and a genetic trait as the property.
Charlie Kirk never did this. Indeed, he spent much of his time pointing out the evil of this.

Deny the facts all you want, doesn't change anything.

Go learn what 'fact' means. It does NOT mean Universal Truth.

Here are specific examples of Kirk's statements, compiled from his podcast The Charlie Kirk Show and public appearances (many tracked by Media Matters for America):

Okay. Let's look at them.

Date	Quote	Context	Criticism
Jan. 23, 2024	"If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified."	Discussing DEI in aviation after a Boeing incident.	Seen as implying Black professionals are inherently less competent due to race-based hiring.
May 19, 2023	"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."	Rant on interracial crime.	Accused of generalizing Black people as predatory criminals.
Jan. 3, 2024	"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?"	Critiquing DEI with guest Heather Mac Donald.	Labeled sexist and racist for stereotyping Black women as unqualified.
July 13, 2023	"You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."	Referring to Black women like Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Joy Reid, and Michelle Obama as "affirmative action picks."	Widely called dehumanizing and a direct attack on Black women's intelligence.
2020	Called George Floyd a "scumbag."	Response to Floyd's killing, which sparked Black Lives Matter protests.	Dismissed Black pain and police brutality as non-issues.
Undated (general views)	Denied systemic racism exists; called "white privilege" a "racist idea"; vilified critical race theory as "indoctrination."	Broader commentary on U.S. history and policy.	Argued to erase structural inequities faced by people of color.
2023	"Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."	Podcast on antisemitism accusations.	Labeled antisemitic for invoking tropes of Jewish control over "anti-white" causes.

1/23: DEI in aviation is a problem, caused by Democrats and their affirmative action racism. Charlie was pointing this out. He is pointing out DEMOCRAT racism.

5/19: Inner city black gangs ARE predatory criminals. This is a GANG problem and a crime problem, not a race problem.

1/3: Pointing out the racism in the affirmative action program passed DEMOCRATS. It is not racism to point out racism.

7/13: They WERE affirmative action picks, and therefore not picked on their skill or qualifications. Again, it is NOT racism to point out racism.

2020: George Floyd WAS a scumbag. He had an extensive criminal history, much of it centered around violence and/or drugs. He wasn't killed. He died of a drug overdose (fentanyl) while police were attempting custody.

(undated): Again shows Charlie's desire to erase racism.

2023: He is right about Jewish communities. It is not antisemitism to point out irony.

The evidence shows Kirk made statements that objectively reinforced racial stereotypes

Never did, liar. He CONSTANTLY ARGUED AGAINST RACISM!

and dismissed historical injustices,

Never did, liar. He POINTED THEM OUT!

meeting common definitions of racism

There is only one definition of racism, which I've again reiterated above. Pointing out racism is not racism.

as prejudice plus power (per scholars like Ibram X. Kendi). These weren't abstract; they aligned with far-right narratives tracked by extremism watchdogs and drew bipartisan rebukes, including from the Congressional Black Caucus.

What is 'far right narratives'?
Buzzword fallacy

Grok

 

[Into the Night]

I know you are, but what am I?

Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

She wont. She's a lazy slug.

I know that. She insists on living in her own ignorance. It's more work than simply looking it up, since she has to continue to lie to herself about her own ignorance.

 

[Into the Night]

Is it along the same lines when anyone who voted for DJT is called a Magat?

Magat has no inherent meaning. It seems to be used by most Democrats using this word to mean themselves.
So I consider it's meaning to be such: a synonym of Democrat.

Or that ALL Trump voters are this or that? ALL sweeping generalizations are wrong,.....not just those made about race.

Quite right. It is an omniscience fallacy, pretending to speak for everyone.

And BTW,....there are millions of examples of different races making those kinds of generalizations, not just White people.

Again, quite right. The most racist people I know are the Japanese. A large number of black folks are also racist. A fair number of white folks are racist (particularly Democrats).

Racism is everywhere. Democrats condone it. The Affirmative Action program they push as part of their 'Civil Rights Act' they passed in the sixties is just institutionalized racism.

Hell,....all you have to do is turn on MSNBC and watch it for 5 minutes and my point is proven. If it is wrong for one it is wrong for ALL,.....any other way of looking at is completely STUPID, Racist, and patently dishonest.

Hilariously, Democrats will sometimes even POINT to MSNBC to justify their racism!

 

[Into the Night]

LOL hope all you want. Still didn't get the info showing that were stats Kirk pulled from his ass to be a racist fool.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Slander. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You know that "maga" will pass but racism is ongoing.

Why do you think MAGA will pass? Why do you insist on continuing racism?

Calling someone a "magat" refers to people who made a choice, not to those who had no say in their genetics.

As far as I can tell, your use of the word 'magat' has nothing to do with genetics.
It's just a synonym for Democrat.

I agree that "magat" is insulting,

I agree. Democrats are insulting. They throw insults all the time, most of the time without even any argument attached to it. I call this point Step 3 in the Democrat program (a four step program, shorter than the program for a housefly).

just as much so as the pejoratives launched at the left.

Magat is a synonym for Democrat, aka the Left.

My side sees the same sweeping generalizations as yours;

Nope. You can't blame your problems on anybody else. Mott and Bailey fallacy.

however I believe racism has to be called out and Kirk's comments were racist without a doubt.

It is not racism to point out Democrat racism.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

Magat has no inherent meaning. It seems to be used by most Democrats using this word to mean themselves.
So I consider it's meaning to be such: a synonym of Democrat.


Quite right. It is an omniscience fallacy, pretending to speak for everyone.

Again, quite right. The most racist people I know are the Japanese. A large number of black folks are also racist. A fair number of white folks are racist (particularly Democrats).

Racism is everywhere. Democrats condone it. The Affirmative Action program they push as part of their 'Civil Rights Act' they passed in the sixties is just institutionalized racism.

Hilariously, Democrats will sometimes even POINT to MSNBC to justify their racism!

it has meaning,

it means make America great again.

own it, globalist fucktoid.

or get out and go be a fucking neocon.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

LOL hope all you want. Still didn't get the info showing that were stats Kirk pulled from his ass to be a racist fool.

Look it up yourself harder cunt face.

 

[Into the Night]

it has meaning,

The only meaning is by Democrats, which seem to use the word to refer to themselves.

it means make America great again.

It does not. That is MAGA.

own it, globalist fucktoid.

Okay. I do. I own my own business and sell internationally. That's more than YOU can claim!

or get out and go be a fucking neocon.

There is nothing new about conservatism.

 

[ZenMode]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1o2tpph/charlie_kirk_1_in_22_black_men_will_be_a_murderer

100% of Charlie Kirk murderers are white.

Math doesn't lie.

 

[Stone]

Math doesn't lie.

But its racist!

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1o2tpph/charlie_kirk_1_in_22_black_men_will_be_a_murderer

100% of Charlie Kirk murderers are white.

But he wasn't racist or anything.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

When you make negative sweeping generalizations about blacks like Kirk did, you're a racist. Deny the facts all you want, doesn't change anything.

Here are specific examples of Kirk's statements, compiled from his podcast The Charlie Kirk Show and public appearances (many tracked by Media Matters for America):

Date	Quote	Context	Criticism
Jan. 23, 2024	"If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified."	Discussing DEI in aviation after a Boeing incident.	Seen as implying Black professionals are inherently less competent due to race-based hiring.
May 19, 2023	"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."	Rant on interracial crime.	Accused of generalizing Black people as predatory criminals.
Jan. 3, 2024	"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?"	Critiquing DEI with guest Heather Mac Donald.	Labeled sexist and racist for stereotyping Black women as unqualified.
July 13, 2023	"You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."	Referring to Black women like Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Joy Reid, and Michelle Obama as "affirmative action picks."	Widely called dehumanizing and a direct attack on Black women's intelligence.
2020	Called George Floyd a "scumbag."	Response to Floyd's killing, which sparked Black Lives Matter protests.	Dismissed Black pain and police brutality as non-issues.
Undated (general views)	Denied systemic racism exists; called "white privilege" a "racist idea"; vilified critical race theory as "indoctrination."	Broader commentary on U.S. history and policy.	Argued to erase structural inequities faced by people of color.
2023	"Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."	Podcast on antisemitism accusations.	Labeled antisemitic for invoking tropes of Jewish control over "anti-white" causes.

The evidence shows Kirk made statements that objectively reinforced racial stereotypes and dismissed historical injustices, meeting common definitions of racism as prejudice plus power (per scholars like Ibram X. Kendi). These weren't abstract; they aligned with far-right narratives tracked by extremism watchdogs and drew bipartisan rebukes, including from the Congressional Black Caucus.

Grok

Thank you. Great summary and commentary both.

I find it interesting that even some LWers have praised Kirk for alleging being "civil." He did a fine job cloaking bigotry and division in sweet words that appealed to the college age demographic. We older, more experienced citizens see right through this chicanery. The gullible, the incurious, the already-bigoted not so much.

 

[ZenMode]

But he wasn't racist or anything.

FBI data shows that about half of the homicides in the US are committed by black men. I don't know if Kirk's math is accurate when he says 1/22, but there is a correct 1/x ratio. Surely that calculation isn't racist, is it?

 

[Phantasmal]

Math doesn't lie.

It also doesn’t tell the whole story.

 

[Truth Detector]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1o2tpph/charlie_kirk_1_in_22_black_men_will_be_a_murderer

100% of Charlie Kirk murderers are white.

Apparently, brainless halfwits who voted for Kamalalla hate facts.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes, pulled from his now dead ass.

Wrong. If you had a brain, which obviously you do not, you would know that this is a factual statistic.

That is why race hustling morons on the left and in the Democratic Party of Socialist liars want to empty out the prisons.

 

[Truth Detector]

It's obvious. Kirk was a racist.

What is obvious is that you're a moron.

Based on 2019 rates of incarceration, we estimate that 1 in 5 Black men (21.1%) born in 2001 will go to prison at some point in their lives.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10662370/