We now have solid proof that after Trump and Project 2025, the future of the GOP is Nazism

[ThatOwlWoman]

I’m not stopping anyone from criticizing Trump or his policies. That doesn’t make America 1930s Germany.

You don't have that power. Trump thinks that he does. Are you claiming that you haven't seen/heard that he talks about jailing journalists and others for criticizing him? Remember when he wanted SNL taken off the air for mocking him? Why is he going after universities, scientists, LW pundits and politicians? Why is he urging violence against them? Why are you pretending this isn't the reality we live in now?

Elections still happen, people still protest and Trump is ripped on national TV on a nightly basis. That’s not authoritarianism or Nazism. It’s democracy with a lot of noise.

Yes, it is democracy for NOW. When the #FascistFruitcake gets his way, if he does, such differing opinions will be silenced. Remember his recent zillion-dollar lawsuit against the "failing New York Times"? Hillary Clinton? He uses the law -- for now -- to intimidate and silence. You don't find this similar to what Hitler and his party did? Do you think having the NG marching through American cities is a good thing? Why are you trying to deflect from Trump's words and actions?

I’m awake. In fact I do my best to stay out of echo chambers because that’s where this dehumanizing and toxic rhetoric flourishes.

So that explains why you are blind to what is going on in America today. Carry on, good German.

 

[Tbird19482]

We have history to thank for that. If we have Trump trying to cancel an election, then we have the first steps. He's tried to delegitimize elections, which shows what he might do if he could.

Well Trump came out and said we could not have elections if we were at war, as we see he could be getting us into one.
And I can't see why not we have had them during every way we have been in, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq.
So why not now?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

With respect, you’re making it personal. I haven’t excused anything Trump’s done. What I’m saying is comparing America today to Nazi Germany is beyond a stretch.

Elections still happen, people still vote, power changes hands and we aren’t mass murdering our own citizens. That’s not facism or nazism.

You are missing the point of the OP. We are concerned with the direction of the country, which is on the same trajectory that Germany was on in the early 1930s. No one is saying we are *just like Nazi Germany* at present. Is there some reason you don't want to discuss Trump's actions and words pointing in the direction of Naziism?

Denying what is obvious is how the Nazis successfully captured Germany's government.

 

[Tbird19482]

IN MY OPINION (ONLY AN OPINION)...

...Trump is aiming for, and may well attain, a dictatorship that will put the regimes of people like Hitler, Mao, and Caligula to shame.

Yeah, that is an extreme view of things.

EVERYONE...soft peddle it at your own risk...and, incidentally, the risk of our Republic.

He SURE is trying.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Well Trump came out and said we could not have elections if we were at war, as we see he could be getting us into one.
And I can't see why not we have had them during every way we have been in, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq.
So why not now?

Because he knows how the midterms are going to turn out. He's saber-rattling currently at Venezuela on his stupid "war on drugs" thing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

IN MY OPINION (ONLY AN OPINION)...

...Trump is aiming for, and may well attain, a dictatorship that will put the regimes of people like Hitler, Mao, and Caligula to shame.

Yeah, that is an extreme view of things.

EVERYONE...soft peddle it at your own risk...and, incidentally, the risk of our Republic.

Agreed on all points except attainment. I doubt he'll live long enough to see it....especially if the Epstein Files are what many insiders fear them to be.

OTOH, white nationalism has been given a foothold in mainstream American politics just like the British National Party (BNP) had earlier this century. I suspect it will fade away the same way.

FWIW, John Thomas Flynn was correct in his 1944 article As We Go Marching, published in 1944:

But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be Fuhrers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certainly deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there.

British National Party - Wikipedia

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The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right, fascist political party in the United Kingdom. It is headquartered in Wigton, Cumbria, and is led by Adam Walker. A minor party, it has no elected representatives at any level of UK government. The party was founded in 1982, and reached its greatest level of success in the 2000s, when it had over fifty seats in local government, one seat on the London Assembly, and two Members of the European Parliament. It has been largely inactive since 2019.

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

We now have solid proof that the future of the GOP after Trump is unabated Nazism

I get asked a lot about what comes after Donald Trump. Will the Republican Party go back to its conservative roots? Will it continue on a path of absurdity? Will things get better or worse for Republicans? I always replied with TBD.

These same questions have been raised for years, ever since Trump won in 2016 and took a wrecking ball to the Mitt Romney, George H.W. Bush, and Lamar Alexander moderate conservatism. They look like Democrats today.

Pundits and politicians continue to debate the future of the GOP after Trump, all with different takes, including some who echo my TBD. Well, TBD no more: After a shocking Politico report on Tuesday, we now know the answer.

The future of the Republican Party is unabated Nazism.

The answer is no longer a hypothetical. The next generation of GOP leaders have made it crystal clear what’s ahead, and it is terrifying. Leaked Telegram texts among Young Republican leaders reveal a culture steeped in anti-Semitism, racism, misogyny, and violent fantasies.

It is language so extreme it defies belief. It’s also ruinous, and given how far the U.S. has fallen so far under the reign of Trump, Nazism as a Republican platform is not out of the question.

It is language so extreme it defies belief. It’s also ruinous, and given how far the U.S. has fallen so far under the reign of Trump, Nazism as a Republican platform is not out of the question.

According to Politico, Peter Giunta, then chair of the New York State Young Republicans, wrote that anyone who voted against him would be sent to a “gas chamber” and boasted of creating “the greatest physiological torture methods known to man.” As Politico explained, he was "referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the Young Republican National Federation, the GOP’s 15,000-member political organization for Republicans between 18 and 40 years old."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/now-solid-proof-trump-project-130003719.html

Your mind is addled, seek help and stay away from sharp objects.

 

[cawacko]

You are missing the point of the OP. We are concerned with the direction of the country, which is on the same trajectory that Germany was on in the early 1930s. No one is saying we are *just like Nazi Germany* at present. Is there some reason you don't want to discuss Trump's actions and words pointing in the direction of Naziism?

Denying what is obvious is how the Nazis successfully captured Germany's government.

Reagan was a Nazi. Bush Sr was a Nazi. George W was definitely a Nazi as was the Republican Party and we were headed to fascism.

It’s the same rhetoric today. Why is this time different?

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

IN MY OPINION (ONLY AN OPINION)...

...Trump is aiming for, and may well attain, a dictatorship that will put the regimes of people like Hitler, Mao, and Caligula to shame.

Yeah, that is an extreme view of things.

EVERYONE...soft peddle it at your own risk...and, incidentally, the risk of our Republic.

Your opinion is whack, as usual from the hysterical leftist fools.

 

[Walt]

Nazi Germany didn’t just “build up speed” from heated rhetoric. It was a totalitarian regime that shut down elections, banned opposition parties, and built concentration camps.

It was a liberal democracy, that step by step built up to all that. There was over 18 years between the Beer Hall Putsch and the Wannsee Conference starting the Holocaust proper. There was a lot of groundwork that needed setting before the gas chambers.

Nothing happening in America today even remotely compares to that.

Nothing remotely like what happened at the end of the Nazi era was happening at the beginning of the Nazi era. The beginning of the Nazi era was very similar to now in the USA. I am not saying that it will get that bad, but it is clearly moving in the wrong direction.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Because he knows how the midterms are going to turn out. He's saber-rattling currently at Venezuela on his stupid "war on drugs" thing.

I'm curious why he isn't targeting the Mexican cartels or other countries that smuggle drugs to the US. What is so special about Venezuela? Is it the oil?

World Drug Report 2025 - Maps

World Drug Report 2024 - Special points of interest

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Venezuela - The World Factbook

www.cia.gov

Government type​

federal presidential republic

Capital​

name: Caracas

Executive branch​

chief of state: Notification Statement: the United States does not recognize Nicolas MADURO Moros as president of Venezuela

President Nicolas MADURO Moros (since 19 April 2013)
head of government: President Nicolas MADURO Moros (since 19 April 2013)..

...Exports - partners​

USA 50%, China 10%, Spain 9%, Brazil 6%, Turkey 5% (2023)

Exports - commodities​

crude petroleum, petroleum coke, scrap iron, alcohols, fertilizers (2023)

 

[Walt]

peace in the ME.

There is definitely not peace in the Middle East.

You cheapen the term, Nazi, when you use it…where are the ovens, Walter?

The first ovens were setup over 9 years after Hitler took power.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Reagan was a Nazi. Bush Sr was a Nazi. George W was definitely a Nazi as was the Republican Party and we were headed to fascism.

It’s the same rhetoric today. Why is this time different?

Disagreed on all even though GW's Patriot Act was a move toward authoritarianism.

Did you support the Patriot Act when it first came out? I didn't. I understand the fear and why people did it, but I saw it as a dark path.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is definitely not peace in the Middle East.

The first ovens were setup over 9 years after Hitler took power.

Its proof Lord Acton was correct: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Trump has all three branches of government under him. He gaslights the stupid half of Americans by blaming those who he opposes while never admitting fault or error.

All who support authoritarianism, who support a Trump autocracy, are traitors who seek the destruction of the American Republic and our Constitution. This is why they need to be identified by those around them and recognized as the enemy within. Vermin. Anti-American scum who should become the first casualties of the next civil war.

 

[cawacko]

It was a liberal democracy, that step by step built up to all that. There was over 18 years between the Beer Hall Putsch and the Wannsee Conference starting the Holocaust proper. There was a lot of groundwork that needed setting before the gas chambers.


Nothing remotely like what happened at the end of the Nazi era was happening at the beginning of the Nazi era. The beginning of the Nazi era was very similar to now in the USA. I am not saying that it will get that bad, but it is clearly moving in the wrong direction.

People said the same thing during the Bush years. They said the Patriot Act was the start of fascism, that we were heading toward a police state, and that democracy was dying. None of that happened.

We are not laying the groundwork for Nazism. We live in a democracy where some people talk to each other and many stay in their echo chambers. That latter part is where the concern should lie.

 

[Walt]

Hitler was 44 when he became Chancellor of Germany and pushing 50 when he invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland. He was dead by his own hand 10 days after his 56th birthday.

Trump is pushing 80 and in poor health. I doubt he has 3 active years remaining much less 12. I'll pray he has a debilitating stroke that makes him mute and paralyzed so he can watch Melania parade her latest boytoy in front of him for a few years. LOL

Good points. Why can't Cawacko make such cogent arguments?

There is a danger that trump is just the first step in this all. If I were a Republican, what I would be afraid of is a Democrat going out of control with the power that trump has taken for president.

But yes, chances are that trump will die, and we will be able to pickup the pieces of America and rebuild.

 

[Walt]

The mentally ill soul. Hint: not you.

My grandfather gave me some great advice about building a family and a life. It has done me well.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Good points. Why can't Cawacko make such cogent arguments?

There is a danger that trump is just the first step in this all. If I were a Republican, what I would be afraid of is a Democrat going out of control with the power that trump has taken for president.

But yes, chances are that trump will die, and we will be able to pickup the pieces of America and rebuild.

MAGAts are persuaded more by emotion and "feelings" than logic. Sad, but true. It's a common sign of low IQ, poor education and/or mental illness. While emotions are normal and can be useful, being perpetually angry and violent is not.

5 Differences Between Logical And Emotional Decision Making

Logical decision making, instead of emotionslly-driven, can improve your live in these five ways, according to science. Here is why.

www.powerofpositivity.com

Trump is stretching the envelope, but the envelope has been growing larger every time Americans give up their liberty for security. The Patriot Act was one of the great examples of Benjamin Franklin's warning.

What's very strange to me is that all those who have been screaming about protecting the Constitution and defending against federal government overreach are all now supporters of Trump's secret police...if not members of it.

 

[Walt]

People said the same thing during the Bush years. They said the Patriot Act was the start of fascism, that we were heading toward a police state, and that democracy was dying. None of that happened.

People said the same thing about the Weimar Constitution. They said its holes allowed for enabling acts and the creation of an authoritarian government. Those people were 100% right.

Destroying a liberal democracy takes time. Each step needs to be fully acclimated before we can move on to the next step. Germany was a more fledgling liberal democracy, so it happened quicker. Hopefully it will take so long in the USA we will be able to reverse it before it goes too far.

We are not laying the groundwork for Nazism.

How many American citizens have been arrested by ICE? How many people have died in ICE camps? Both numbers are not zero. When asked the trump administration says both numbers are "probably" not in the thousands... We now just accept that sometimes ICE will grab Americans off the street and hold them for months in unreasonable detention without any contact with the outside world. Sometimes people die in those terrible conditions.

 

[cawacko]

Good points. Why can't Cawacko make such cogent arguments?

There is a danger that trump is just the first step in this all. If I were a Republican, what I would be afraid of is a Democrat going out of control with the power that trump has taken for president.

But yes, chances are that trump will die, and we will be able to pickup the pieces of America and rebuild.

So now I’m catching strays?

You’re right, Walt. In a democracy, cogent arguments are all about wishing death upon people you disagree with. I’ll work on that. Thanks.