U.S. Supreme Court to hear case determining if states can count mail-in ballots that are received AFTER Election Day

[Into the Night]

"Most fraud?"

What stats do you have for that? Is the "fraud" anything statistically significant?

RQAA.

Ignoring it won't make it go away, Barfly.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh, my bad. I thought we were talking about voter fraud.

No, Barfly. We are talking about election fraud. He is simply comparing Democrat fraud in other areas as well.

I didn't realize you were referring to welfare fraud.

Isn't this thread about voter fraud?

No. it's about election fraud.

EDIT: yes, absolutely - this thread & the whole discussion was about voter fraud.

So, why did you think welfare fraud was relevant?

Because it is ALSO fraud by Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

Vote fraud is hit and miss. But there are things that increase the chances of it happening:

Long voting periods. Having a voting period of weeks or more increases the chances of fraud occurring.
Mail in voting. Out of sight is out of mind so-to-speak
Ballot harvesting. When anyone can handle ballots, anyone can do what they please with them.
No voter ID.
No cleanup of voter rolls
Automatic voter registration
Ballot drop-boxes. Another out of sight, out of mind thing

These things aren't voter fraud. They are election fraud. The fault lies with the election commissions and counting centers. Add to that synthetic ballots, voting for the dead, mysterious 'machine failures' in Republican held areas, candidates acting as election officiers, etc. and you have a faulted election.

Since blue states tend to do these things far more than red states, it would follow that chances are higher in blue states of voter fraud occurring. It also argues that it would be harder to detect and catch in blue states for the same reasons.

A good argument. You will also note that these areas are also using mass mail-in voting.

 

[Diesel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987902218100453652

View: https://x.com/politico/status/1987902218100453652?t=fYcgqe9pdkzGpoXiBUCYjg&s=19

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/supreme-court-mail-in-voting-case-00644388

Do you ever start a thread that's not an X post?

 

[RB 60]

So people voting on Election Day won’t have their votes count

 

[Jake Starkey]

Yea, we're supposed to rely on blue, Democrat, run states to do that. They're the ones with the most fraud. California just had 17,000 illegal CDL's cancelled. Illinois is fighting tooth and nail to keep illegal aliens in the state.

If anything, the blue / Democrat record on doing the right, legal, thing is pretty sketchy.

You are surprised California has the most fraud (you imply this without any sourcing). So I will point out, without sourcing, about one of eight Americans reside in California, so of course no one is surprised that it has the most fraud.

What you could do is compare the fraud in California per capita with Louisiana and see if you can make a case for Democratic criminality.

But you won't.

 

[Jake Starkey]

T. A.'s argument is based on false equivalencies without any sourcing.

 

[Into the Night]

No, I didn't lose. Not at all.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

You made the claim. Burden of proof is on you.

RQAA

It's not on me to "prove" anything about voter fraud - though it does exist at a statistically insignificant level.

Blatant lie.

 

[Into the Night]

BINGO! I mean its like they are hiding it.

They can't. It not only caused the 2020 election to fault, but election fraud by Democrats has been going on for decades.

 

[Into the Night]

They keep a website to track it all. It's all onesy twosy stuff. We're a nation of 350 million - elections aren't going to be perfect.

It's statistically zilch.

Blatant lie.

The only reason anyone believes that there is any kind of massive fraud, or coordinated fraud, is because a pathological liar who hates losing said so. He said the same in 2016. He called 2012 a "sham."

Blatant lie. You can't blame Democrat election on Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

You are surprised California has the most fraud (you imply this without any sourcing).

He sourced it, Sybil. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

So I will point out, without sourcing, about one of eight Americans reside in California, so of course no one is surprised that it has the most fraud.

Argument from randU fallacy. It's not about population. Strawman fallacy.

What you could do is compare the fraud in California per capita with Louisiana and see if you can make a case for Democratic criminality.

There is a lot of fraud in New Orleans as well, again Democrats.

But you won't.

Democrat election fraud isn't about population. Strawman fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

T. A.'s argument is based on false equivalencies without any sourcing.

Fallacy fallacy. No false equivalence occurred.

 

[Into the Night]

You didn't say they were "more likely."

You said they had the most fraud.

This is getting boring.

Word games won't work, Barfly.

 

[Diesel]

Vote fraud is hit and miss. But there are things that increase the chances of it happening:

Long voting periods. Having a voting period of weeks or more increases the chances of fraud occurring.
Mail in voting. Out of sight is out of mind so-to-speak
Ballot harvesting. When anyone can handle ballots, anyone can do what they please with them.
No voter ID.
No cleanup of voter rolls
Automatic voter registration
Ballot drop-boxes. Another out of sight, out of mind thing

Since blue states tend to do these things far more than red states, it would follow that chances are higher in blue states of voter fraud occurring. It also argues that it would be harder to detect and catch in blue states for the same reasons.

You idiots really must quit this shit.

ChatGPT said:

In the United States—and in most established democracies—voter fraud is extremely rare. Decades of studies, audits, investigations, and court cases consistently show that the rate of fraud is between 0.0003% and 0.0025% of ballots cast, depending on the election and the methodology used.

Here’s the breakdown:

1. What counts as “voter fraud”?

It includes things like:

Impersonating another voter

Voting twice

Fraudulently registering

Submitting fake absentee ballots

Tampering with vote counts (rare and usually classified differently)

2. How often does it actually happen?

Multiple nonpartisan and academic analyses find:

Millions of ballots are cast every election, and

Only a handful of cases are ever substantiated.

Examples from major sources:

The Brennan Center for Justice found the rate of fraud to be 0.0003% to 0.0025%.

A Washington Post database of election fraud cases over many years found fewer than 500 credible cases among hundreds of millions of votes.

State-level audits (e.g., in Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Florida, etc.) routinely find 0 to a few isolated cases.

3. Why is it so low?

Voting systems have multiple safeguards:

Voter rolls are verified.

Signatures or IDs are checked depending on the state.

Ballot tracking and accounting procedures are in place.

Bipartisan observers monitor counting.

4. Does voter fraud change election outcomes?

Historically, no. Across modern U.S. elections, there is no documented case where fraud altered the result of a statewide or federal election.

 

[Diesel]

No, I'm being honest here. If it were about voter fraud, then I've given an answer. If my previous answer was irrelevant, sobeit.

Don't use ad hominem to try and divert attention from the discussion.

Don't complain about ad hominem when you don't even know what the topic of the discussion is. Act like a man and own your mistake.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You are surprised California has the most fraud (you imply this without any sourcing). So I will point out, without sourcing, about one of eight Americans reside in California, so of course no one is surprised that it has the most fraud.

What you could do is compare the fraud in California per capita with Louisiana and see if you can make a case for Democratic criminality.

But you won't.

The top three states for SNAP fraud, in order are:

New York 151,000 claims between 2023 and 2025 totaling $80 million in fraud
California 86,000 claims for $38 million
Maryland is third with 63,800 claims for $24 million

Map shows worst states for SNAP fraud

SNAP benefits are vulnerable to fraud tactics as cards can be skimmed or cloned, something several states are trying to combat.

www.newsweek.com

These States Have High Food Stamp Payment Errors - EPIC for America

The food stamp program makes billions in improper payments each year.

epicforamerica.org

In Texas, listed as a serious problem too, most of the SNAP fraud occurs along the border with Mexico in counties that are typically Democrat, and around Houston, a Democrat enclave within the state.

These Four States Lead the Nation in SNAP Fraud Reports

Explore the states with the highest SNAP fraud reports and the fight against food stamp crime.

townhall.com

So, the trend is blue states and areas in red states with a heavy Democrat presence tend to be the ones with the most SNAP recipients and most SNAP fraud.

 

[Jake Starkey]

And I showed that SNAP fraud was slightly more than 1% of the total spent.

 

[Nordberg]

Why can't they get their votes in on time? It's not that difficult...

Up to now, you can drop them off at a mailbox at city hall or around town. This allows Trump to put people in positions to leave the mail in the boxes until time expires. He would gladly do that.

 

[archives]

Eliminate mass mail-in voting. Solves the problem there...and gets rid of a lot of fraud.

Why, no need, and could disinfranchise potential voters

 

[QP!]

Why can't they get their votes in on time? It's not that difficult...

yes it is you simpleton.

If you are a service stationed out of country it is very hard to ensure it comes in before the election unless you fly in with it in your own hands.

No one controls the speed of mail, delivery.