The nightmare descent of New York City under Mamdani rule has begun.

AProudLefty said:
Democratic socialism. Not socialism.

Examples in Practice: While no country is a pure democratic socialist state, many Nordic countries like Sweden and Denmark employ robust social democratic policies (often used interchangeably with democratic socialism in U.S. political discourse) which feature comprehensive welfare states, universal healthcare, and strong labor protections within a market economy framework.
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You're such an idiot, again you lean on grock is this going to be your new thing? Dig a Little deeper check out your Nordic countries that are in many ways more capitalists than we are right now. There's socialized policies have been failures proven by the constant rolling back of services for starters.
 
Tobytone said:
You're such an idiot, again you lean on grock is this going to be your new thing? Dig a Little deeper check out your Nordic countries that are in many ways more capitalists than we are right now. There's socialized policies have been failures proven by the constant rolling back of services for starters.
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So prove it.
 
AProudLefty said:
Democratic Socialist. And Cuba is not in the USA.

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The key distinction is that democratic socialism integrates socialist economic goals with a commitment to a democratic political system and individual liberties, in contrast to the potential for authoritarianism in some forms of "socialism".
Democratic Socialism
Democratic socialism is a broad ideology that blends socialist goals with a democratic framework. Key characteristics include:
Governance: Democratic socialists believe in a participatory democracy with free and fair elections, civil rights, and individual freedoms. They explicitly reject the authoritarian models of the former Soviet Union or present-day regimes often associated with the term "socialism".
Economic System: They advocate for a mixed economy, where a combination of public and private ownership coexists. The goal is to transfer economic power from corporations to working people, potentially through mechanisms like worker self-management or the public ownership of key industries such as healthcare, education, and utilities.
Method of Change: Democratic socialists aim to achieve their objectives through gradual reforms within existing democratic systems, using the ballot box and mass organizing rather than violent revolution.
Examples in Practice: While no country is a pure democratic socialist state, many Nordic countries like Sweden and Denmark employ robust social democratic policies (often used interchangeably with democratic socialism in U.S. political discourse) which feature comprehensive welfare states, universal healthcare, and strong labor protections within a market economy framework.
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Your command of geography is amazing. :rofl2:

You are the one that said he was pro Castro and pro Mandami comrade. Both of them are socialist by the way. Socialism worked out so well for the Island of Cuba perhaps it will work for the Island of Manhattan too.
 
FastLane said:
Your command of geography is amazing. :rofl2:

You are the one that said he was pro Castro and pro Mandami comrade. Both of them are socialist by the way. Socialism worked out so well for the Island of Cuba perhaps it will work for the Island of Manhattan too.
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I never said I was pro Castro.

Castro was a socialist/Marxist. Mamdani is a Democratic socialist. Big difference. Go back to my post and read about it.
 
AProudLefty said:
Democratic socialism. Not socialism.

Examples in Practice: While no country is a pure democratic socialist state, many Nordic countries like Sweden and Denmark employ robust social democratic policies (often used interchangeably with democratic socialism in U.S. political discourse) which feature comprehensive welfare states, universal healthcare, and strong labor protections within a market economy framework.
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Funny you should mention Sweden. Since you love AI I'll leave this here for you to read.

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Sweden has
reversed many of the socialist-leaning policies it implemented in the 1970s and 1980s. This shift, which began in earnest after a severe financial crisis in the early 1990s, involved reducing public spending, lowering taxes, and liberalizing markets.

The Shift Away from Socialism
  • Economic Crisis: The period of expanded government control and high taxes led to economic stagnation, a lack of private sector job creation, and major companies like IKEA moving their headquarters out of the country. A financial crisis in the early 1990s, which included the central bank interest rate rising to 500%, forced a change in direction.
  • Cross-Party Consensus: Politicians from both left and right-wing parties agreed on the need for market reforms to restore economic growth. A Social Democratic Finance Minister at the time stated, "That whole thing with democratic socialism was absolutely impossible. It just didn't work".
  • Key Reforms: The changes included:
    • Privatization: Numerous state-owned companies were privatized, and private providers were allowed to compete with public ones in social services like education, healthcare, and elder care.
    • Tax Reductions: Sweden cut taxes on corporations and high incomes and abolished taxes on inheritance and gifts. The tax burden now falls more heavily on low- and middle-income households, making the tax system less progressive than that of the US.
    • Deregulation: Markets in sectors such as telecommunications, energy, and domestic aviation were opened to competition.
    • Welfare Adjustments: While still extensive, some social security benefits were reduced, and the pension system was reformed to be more sustainable.
 
FastLane said:
Funny you should mention Sweden. Since you love AI I'll leave this here for you to read.

AI Overview



Sweden has
reversed many of the socialist-leaning policies it implemented in the 1970s and 1980s. This shift, which began in earnest after a severe financial crisis in the early 1990s, involved reducing public spending, lowering taxes, and liberalizing markets.

The Shift Away from Socialism
  • Economic Crisis: The period of expanded government control and high taxes led to economic stagnation, a lack of private sector job creation, and major companies like IKEA moving their headquarters out of the country. A financial crisis in the early 1990s, which included the central bank interest rate rising to 500%, forced a change in direction.
  • Cross-Party Consensus: Politicians from both left and right-wing parties agreed on the need for market reforms to restore economic growth. A Social Democratic Finance Minister at the time stated, "That whole thing with democratic socialism was absolutely impossible. It just didn't work".
  • Key Reforms:The changes included:
    • Privatization: Numerous state-owned companies were privatized, and private providers were allowed to compete with public ones in social services like education, healthcare, and elder care.
    • Tax Reductions: Sweden cut taxes on corporations and high incomes and abolished taxes on inheritance and gifts. The tax burden now falls more heavily on low- and middle-income households, making the tax system less progressive than that of the US.
    • Deregulation: Markets in sectors such as telecommunications, energy, and domestic aviation were opened to competition.
    • Welfare Adjustments: While still extensive, some social security benefits were reduced, and the pension system was reformed to be more sustainable.
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All of this tells me that those countries never turned Communist. Thanks for confirming. :thup:
 
FastLane said:
Rolling eye emojis can mean a lot of things like exasperation at having to truthfully reveal your love for Castro.:love:
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So no? You don't know what sarcasm is? Okay I'll make it clear for you. I was never pro Castro and Communism.

If Mamdani declared himself Communist/Marxist/Leninist, then I and the voters would be on your side.

Comprehende?
 
AProudLefty said:
So no? You don't know what sarcasm is? Okay I'll make it clear for you. I was never pro Castro and Communism.

If Mamdani declared himself Communist/Marxist/Leninist, then I and the voters would be on your side.

Comprehende?
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So you do realize your example of Democratic Socialism was an abysmal failure and Sweden returned to Capitalism. But you think a failed want to be rapper whose only real job was working for mommy is the answer. I'm laughing so hard my sides ache. :rofl2:
 
FastLane said:
So you do realize your example of Democratic Socialism was an abysmal failure and Sweden returned to Capitalism. But you think a failed want to be rapper whose only real job was working for mommy is the answer. I'm laughing so hard my sides ache. :rofl2:
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I never said anything about success or failure. The poster was asking me for examples.
 
AProudLefty said:
It could work. Who knows? We'll see. But thanks for confirming that NYC won't turn Communist.
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So show me where it has ever worked? What is going to happen is stock trading is going to move out of NYC and rich people are going to move to no income tax states and New York City is going to fall into decay. Then they are going to want the Federal government to bail them out.
 
FastLane said:
So show me where it has ever worked? What is going to happen is stock trading is going to move out of NYC and rich people are going to move to no income tax states and New York City is going to fall into decay. Then they are going to want the Federal government to bail them out.
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See post #3. I predict that your alarmist predictions will not come true.
 
AProudLefty said:
I never said anything about success or failure. The poster was asking me for examples.
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So the only examples you could come up with were examples of failure. The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Give me an example where Democrat Socialism has worked..
 
FastLane said:
So the only examples you could come up with were examples of failure. The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

Give me an example where Democrat Socialism has worked..
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Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland are prime examples of the "Nordic model". These nations combine a mixed-market economy with robust social welfare programs, low levels of poverty and crime, and high standards of living and human development. While maintaining private ownership and market competition, they feature:
Universal access to healthcare and education.
Strong labor unions and workers' rights.
Extensive social security and pension programs.
High progressive taxation used to fund these services.
Germany, Canada, France, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium also incorporate many social democratic principles, offering universal healthcare, worker protections, and significant public services while maintaining market economies.
These countries are generally considered successful based on various indicators such as economic competitiveness, civil liberties, and quality of life.
 
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