cops murder doctor in his own home

so police suspicion is higher status than the Constitution. got it. don't ever engage in a Constitutional discussion with anyone again, since it's clear you have no clue about it.

I gave you the supreme court case on it, but I guess you hate them now, don't you?
It wasn't "suspicion." The police had a warrant for his arrest. They were serving said warrant. He could surrender, which he didn't. At that point, the police have a duty to forcibly take him into custody because they have a warrant for his arrest!

He resisted and continued to up the amount of resistance to arrest he was giving by pulling a gun. The police ended up shooting him when they couldn't retrain him physically or with less than lethal force.
 
It wasn't "suspicion." The police had a warrant for his arrest. They were serving said warrant. He could surrender, which he didn't. At that point, the police have a duty to forcibly take him into custody because they have a warrant for his arrest!

He resisted and continued to up the amount of resistance to arrest he was giving by pulling a gun. The police ended up shooting him when they couldn't retrain him physically or with less than lethal force.
he doesn't believe the warrant story, because they wanted him to step outside, and says I am crazy to claim that is for safety reasons.
 
I read it as he pointed out what the deceased did wrong
No, Shitforbrains is arguing that the police didn't have probable cause or something from the tone of his, her, its, posts and keeps babbling about "the Constitution." STY sounds like one of those sovereign citizen / conspiracy nutters that does this sort of thing with police when stopped for having no license plate, or a homemade one and then wonders why the police shot him when he refused to cooperate in the least and was then put under arrest and he started fighting the cops.
 
he doesn't believe the warrant story, because they wanted him to step outside, and says I am crazy to claim that is for safety reasons.
That's exactly what they wanted. It also gave them space to control him and cuff him up for transport. They couldn't very well do that when he's wedged in the doorway.
 
No, Shitforbrains is arguing that the police didn't have probable cause or something from the tone of his, her, its, posts and keeps babbling about "the Constitution." STY sounds like one of those sovereign citizen / conspiracy nutters that does this sort of thing with police when stopped for having no license plate, or a homemade one and then wonders why the police shot him when he refused to cooperate in the least and was then put under arrest and he started fighting the cops.
you quoted anonymouse though - who sided with the cops here
 
This is not true, at all. Payton v. New York
1980 Supreme Court case that ruled the Fourth Amendment prohibits the police from making a warrantless, nonconsensual entry into a suspect's home to make a routine felony arrest. The ruling requires police to have an arrest warrant before entering a suspect's home, unless there are exigent circumstances or consent.
It is true, and thank you for clarifying why.

Be cautious quoting cases by courts. No court has any authority to write any new law or to change or 'interpret' (another word use to change it!) the Constitution. ALL courts, including the Supreme Court, to make a constitutional ruling, MUST comply with all of the Constitution. Anything else is unconstitutional.

Many courts have tried this, particularly lately, issuing rulings that are beyond the authority of that court.

At least the Supreme Court is becoming more aligned with the Constitution it is supposed to be under. It's not perfect by any means, but it's doing a lot better lately.
 
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you quoted anonymouse though - who sided with the cops here
I support and tend to side with cops. I tend to give them credit for their training and experience. They are nowhere as abusive as Democrats claim.

It takes a special kind of person to work in law enforcement at any level, particularly a city cop. They're the ones that have to deal with people that don't give a shit about the law, people that attack them, slimes that abuse others and have no problem abusing cops, and they often have to work with a city government that doesn't support them, and a legal system that continually puts criminals right back out on the street, even though they are convicted.

They risk literally life and limb trying to serve the public, and they are treated with such disrespect. Why take such risks when criminals just walk free? Guess why moral is so low among them in several cities?

Give 'em a break. Remember, they have to justify their actions to a judge or jury in a court.
 
"While fighting for control of Mr. Lanis' handgun, officers continued giving commands to him to drop the weapon," said Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Lure with the St Louis County Police Department.


So its OK to fight cops with a hand gun in your hand?
A damn fine way to get yourself killed.

Cops are better trained with firearms and better able to deal with a situation before resorting to drawing their own gun. I you force a cop to defend himself with a gun, he WILL empty the entire magazine at you.

Most criminals couldn't hit the side of a barn with one.
 
It wasn't "suspicion." The police had a warrant for his arrest. They were serving said warrant. He could surrender, which he didn't. At that point, the police have a duty to forcibly take him into custody because they have a warrant for his arrest!

He resisted and continued to up the amount of resistance to arrest he was giving by pulling a gun. The police ended up shooting him when they couldn't retrain him physically or with less than lethal force.
the media says they had a warrant. Yet, they kept having to try to coax him outside. This shows that they did not have a warrant, because if they actually had a warrant, they would not have waited, they would have just grabbed him. They would also be tripping over themselves to post this warrant publicly to show that they did everything right. Therefore, the cops entered illegally and the dr should have been well within his rights to resist with lethal force.
 
It is true, and thank you for clarifying why.

Be cautious quoting cases by courts. No court has any authority to write any new law or to change or 'interpret' (another word use to change it!) the Constitution. ALL courts, including the Supreme Court, to make a constitutional ruling, MUST comply with all of the Constitution. Anything else is unconstitutional.

Many courts have tried this, particularly lately, issuing rulings that are beyond the authority of that court.

At least the Supreme Court is becoming more aligned with the Constitution it is supposed to be under. It's not perfect by any means, but it's doing a lot better lately.
I hear what you're saying. The reason this case law is both relevant and highly important is that it actually restricts the government, not the citizen.
 
Cops are better trained with firearms and better able to deal with a situation before resorting to drawing their own gun.
I have to disagree with this myth. Most cops are only trained to the extent of qualifying twice a year. I am more highly trained than any cop since i'm a Marine who regularly attends tactical training with both my AR and handgun
 
they illegally invaded his home and he was defending himself
Gave you a 'wow' for breaking the radical libtard stupidity meter. I’m genuinely curious, were you dropped on your head as a baby, or did your parents just straight-up forget you existed? I’m conducting a very serious scientific survey to finally solve the mystery: how do you drones become amoral, zero-critical-thinking, rage-fueled NPCs? Check every box that applies, champ (be honest, it's for science):

Childhood neglect
Room-temperature IQ
Too many participation trophies
Repeated blunt-force trauma from falling off the short bus
Raised by Democrat 'role models' with blue hair
Daily soy latte overdose
Accidentally homeschooled by MSNBC or I guess it's MsNow
Born with an extra chromosome dedicated entirely to virtue-signaling
All of the above plus a lifetime subscription to The Atlantic

Also, I learned in kindergarten you never point a loaded gun at a cop unless you’re auditioning for a toe tag. You clearly skipped that day. Same way you slept through the one that says the loudest freaks screaming about “bootlickers” and projecting cop-sucking fantasies onto everyone else are always, always the ones with the cop cocksucking fantasy browser history at 3 a.m.

So tell the class, champ: when exactly did your brain break so hard you started writing your own fan fiction about men in uniform? I'll add it to my research for color.
 
Gave you a 'wow' for breaking the radical libtard stupidity meter. I’m genuinely curious, were you dropped on your head as a baby, or did your parents just straight-up forget you existed? I’m conducting a very serious scientific survey to finally solve the mystery: how do you drones become amoral, zero-critical-thinking, rage-fueled NPCs? Check every box that applies, champ (be honest, it's for science):

Childhood neglect
Room-temperature IQ
Too many participation trophies
Repeated blunt-force trauma from falling off the short bus
Raised by Democrat 'role models' with blue hair
Daily soy latte overdose
Accidentally homeschooled by MSNBC or I guess it's MsNow
Born with an extra chromosome dedicated entirely to virtue-signaling
All of the above plus a lifetime subscription to The Atlantic

Also, I learned in kindergarten you never point a loaded gun at a cop unless you’re auditioning for a toe tag. You clearly skipped that day. Same way you slept through the one that says the loudest freaks screaming about “bootlickers” and projecting cop-sucking fantasies onto everyone else are always, always the ones with the cop cocksucking fantasy browser history at 3 a.m.

So tell the class, champ: when exactly did your brain break so hard you started writing your own fan fiction about men in uniform? I'll add it to my research for color.
well, you first need to break out of your own idiocy about liberals and conservatives.......especially when you moronically don't bother to check the history of a poster. I'm not a liberal or a conservative. I am, however, a hater of all government overreach, especially when it comes to the lack of accountability of police. So, my question for you, in order for your so called survey to mean anything, is do you approve of every single law enforcement action? if so, why?
 
the media says they had a warrant. Yet, they kept having to try to coax him outside. This shows that they did not have a warrant, because if they actually had a warrant, they would not have waited, they would have just grabbed him. They would also be tripping over themselves to post this warrant publicly to show that they did everything right. Therefore, the cops entered illegally and the dr should have been well within his rights to resist with lethal force.
No, it doesn't. What were they supposed to do, just tackle the guy the second he opened the door? They tied to get his cooperation, he refused. Then dorks, like you, would be screaming about police brutality. They handled it just like they should. The problem was Landin.

The second the cops told Landin he was under arrest they had probable cause to enter a pursuit when Landin fled into the house. He had zero right to self-defense from police serving an arrest warrant on him. Your version of this is nothing short of delusional.
 
I already kicked your ass in the debate.

you had zero understanding of why a cop would prefer an arrest outside. This proves you are a complete clown when it comes to axiomatic principles of self defense. back to your meth lab loser
The interesting thing about self defense:

EVERYONE has the right to self defense, even the cop. Even an animal has the right of self defense, using whatever weapons it has at it's disposal.

Do you have a right to resist arrest? No. That is <i>attacking</i> a cop that is there to uphold the law. It is NOT self defense. Indeed, resisting arrest does two things:
1) Puts you in danger of a cop defending themselves, and
2) Tends to convince a judge or jury that you are a violent individual and you may be charged with assault, contempt, or other charges that will just put you in jail longer.

Do you have the right to grab a cop's gun? No. It's an excellent way to get yourself killed or severely damaged. A cop is generally better trained than you, stronger than you, and faster than you, and they often have backup.
 
well, you first need to break out of your own idiocy about liberals and conservatives.......especially when you moronically don't bother to check the history of a poster. I'm not a liberal or a conservative. I am, however, a hater of all government overreach, especially when it comes to the lack of accountability of police. So, my question for you, in order for your so called survey to mean anything, is do you approve of every single law enforcement action? if so, why?
Sorry bud, you’re a libtard to me, full stop. Call yourself whatever bullshit you want, it’s a free country and I get to tag you exactly like I see you. That’s how it works, dumbass.

As for your 'question,' come up with a better one. Mine were obviously tongue-in-cheek, yours is so stupid I can’t tell if you’re serious or just that brain-dead. If you’re actually serious, answering it would be dumber than the question itself.

Step your game up if you want a real debate. I don’t waste time having grown-up conversations with third-graders who still eat glue. Try harder, you're definitely not 'smarter than anyone here.'
 
STY... You do understand that if you grab a gun, and then fight with the cops, they will not go to prison if you are shot, right? Even if you think it is murder. They asked him to step outside because he was being arrested. He responded by grabbing a gun and then fighting with the police at his door.

Now, I wouldn't have stepped out either. But I also would not have opened the door. I am under no obligation to answer the door.
 
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