Happy Thanksgiving

[Dutch Uncle]

I just can’t participate in Jarod’s thread. So I’m making my own and if the powers deem they need to be merged then so be it.

I don’t know what kind of history some of you were taught in the public schools or college, but we were shown two sides of the Thanksgiving story. We learned about the Wampanoag people and the Pilgrims, celebrating together. We were told how the Natives helped keep the Pilgrims from starving prior to that event. Yes, we eventually were taught about the atrocities some of the Europeans committed against the Natives in the history of our nation, but that wasn’t whatat Thanksgiving was about. We were taught that eventually there was a campaign to make Thanksgiving an American holiday and that Lincoln finally proclaimed it as such…to be celebrated in November. Finally, in an economic move, FDR declared it to be celebrated on the 4th Thursday in November.

Let me say again, we weren’t spared the history of the plight of the Natives. We weren’t sheltered from the Andrew Jackson’s or the Wounded Knee’s. But our history is what it is. You can’t go back and re-write it. Natives were treated badly and killed in the making of this country. But Natives can and do quite well nowadays playing in the system the white man has created. That is what you do. Our tribe makes millions every year and helps multiple Choctaw entrepreneurs get businesses started. Many are very successful. It is the culture in which we live. At the same time, my tribe continues to celebrate Thanksgiving while holding to our own traditional cultural celebrations at other times throughout the year.

For me, the statements and efforts that want to highlight the negative and make it seem that somehow the white man isn’t deserving of what he has in this country (obviously you haven’t seen the poor white people I deal with on a daily basis) are getting quite old. If true history is taught in my ruby red state (still not a blue county) then I’m sure it’s getting taught elsewhere, just maybe not with the self-loathing that some seem to want.

So I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here. I’ve never see any of you but have known some of you nearly 30 years. Eat some turkey (or chicken, fish or ham) and some pie. Watch some football. And find those things to be thankful for, like maybe the fact that you’re not a Dallas Cowboys fan (as I am)…

I Thessalonians 5:18 — in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, I get it about the Natives. I'm still pissed about the fucking Roman cocksuckers attacking my ancestors then, when they left, the fucking English kept doing the same. Fuck the Redcoats!!!

FWIW, the vast majority of human history is written in human blood. It shouldn't be condoned, but it's the reality. The good news is that the world is getting better. The United States isn't perfect by a longshot, but most Americans are trying to do the right thing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The screaming, lying, election-distraught, Lefties are not worth destroying our normal Thanks Giving Holiday...
...Tomorrow will be soon enough to "stick a maggot hole in their bellies".

One of the most negative Thanksgiving sentiments I've ever seen.

Most MAGAts are weak and very unhappy people. Notice how they blame others for their own problems and seek to both divide and harm other Americans. Sad.

 

[serendipity]

I just can’t participate in Jarod’s thread. So I’m making my own and if the powers deem they need to be merged then so be it.

I don’t know what kind of history some of you were taught in the public schools or college, but we were shown two sides of the Thanksgiving story. We learned about the Wampanoag people and the Pilgrims, celebrating together. We were told how the Natives helped keep the Pilgrims from starving prior to that event. Yes, we eventually were taught about the atrocities some of the Europeans committed against the Natives in the history of our nation, but that wasn’t what Thanksgiving was about. We were taught that eventually there was a campaign to make Thanksgiving an American holiday and that Lincoln finally proclaimed it as such…to be celebrated in November. Finally, in an economic move, FDR declared it to be celebrated on the 4th Thursday in November.

Let me say again, we weren’t spared the history of the plight of the Natives. We weren’t sheltered from the Andrew Jackson’s or the Wounded Knee’s. But our history is what it is. You can’t go back and re-write it. Natives were treated badly and killed in the making of this country. But Natives can and do quite well nowadays playing in the system the white man has created. That is what you do. Our tribe makes millions every year and helps multiple Choctaw entrepreneurs get businesses started. Many are very successful. It is the culture in which we live. At the same time, my tribe continues to celebrate Thanksgiving while holding to our own traditional cultural celebrations at other times throughout the year.

For me, the statements and efforts that want to highlight the negative and make it seem that somehow the white man isn’t deserving of what he has in this country (obviously you haven’t seen the poor white people I deal with on a daily basis) are getting quite old. If true history is taught in my ruby red state (still not a blue county) then I’m sure it’s getting taught elsewhere, just maybe not with the self-loathing that some seem to want.

So I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here. I’ve never see any of you but have known some of you nearly 30 years. Eat some turkey (or chicken, fish or ham) and some pie. Watch some football. And find those things to be thankful for, like maybe the fact that you’re not a Dallas Cowboys fan (as I am)…

I Thessalonians 5:18 — in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

I quite understand why you refuse to be a part of Jarhead's thread, he is truly an annoying little man. Anyway hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Assuming you didn’t just copy that off ChatGPT (LOL), really enjoyed reading that

LOL You know me better than that. I became interested in American Frontier history when I was young and first learned about St. Clair’s massacre on the headwaters of the Wabash River at present day Ft. Recovery. Which is about 7 miles from where I lived in Coldwater.

It was not only the greatest victory of Native Americans over the U.S. army but still stands today as the worst defeat in terms of the percentage of casualties that the U.S. Army has ever suffered as around 90% of Gen St. Clair’s soldiers and camp followers were killed by a coalition of Native tribes (Miami, Shawnee and Lenape) led by Little Turtle (Michikiniqua- Miami and overall commander), Blue Jacket (Wayapiersinwah - Shawnee), and Buckangahela (Lenape) in 1792.

 

[TOP]

A year ago....

 

[Damocles]

I just can’t participate in Jarod’s thread. So I’m making my own and if the powers deem they need to be merged then so be it.

I don’t know what kind of history some of you were taught in the public schools or college, but we were shown two sides of the Thanksgiving story. We learned about the Wampanoag people and the Pilgrims, celebrating together. We were told how the Natives helped keep the Pilgrims from starving prior to that event. Yes, we eventually were taught about the atrocities some of the Europeans committed against the Natives in the history of our nation, but that wasn’t what Thanksgiving was about. We were taught that eventually there was a campaign to make Thanksgiving an American holiday and that Lincoln finally proclaimed it as such…to be celebrated in November. Finally, in an economic move, FDR declared it to be celebrated on the 4th Thursday in November.

Let me say again, we weren’t spared the history of the plight of the Natives. We weren’t sheltered from the Andrew Jackson’s or the Wounded Knee’s. But our history is what it is. You can’t go back and re-write it. Natives were treated badly and killed in the making of this country. But Natives can and do quite well nowadays playing in the system the white man has created. That is what you do. Our tribe makes millions every year and helps multiple Choctaw entrepreneurs get businesses started. Many are very successful. It is the culture in which we live. At the same time, my tribe continues to celebrate Thanksgiving while holding to our own traditional cultural celebrations at other times throughout the year.

For me, the statements and efforts that want to highlight the negative and make it seem that somehow the white man isn’t deserving of what he has in this country (obviously you haven’t seen the poor white people I deal with on a daily basis) are getting quite old. If true history is taught in my ruby red state (still not a blue county) then I’m sure it’s getting taught elsewhere, just maybe not with the self-loathing that some seem to want.

So I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here. I’ve never see any of you but have known some of you nearly 30 years. Eat some turkey (or chicken, fish or ham) and some pie. Watch some football. And find those things to be thankful for, like maybe the fact that you’re not a Dallas Cowboys fan (as I am)…

I Thessalonians 5:18 — in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

I have no tribe to call home, my father was adopted by a white family and therefore we have no idea what tribe his mother and father may have been from... the mix with my very very white mother has made me look like a swarthy white guy... (genetic testing is scant for Native Americans, making results ridiculously vague, most Natives appear as if they come from "everywhere"). I do not know why Dad was put up for adoption, but I do know we lost some of our history thereby.

The best I can do is know genetically the tribe was in the Four Corners area. What tribe it was is a mystery.

And Happy Thanksgiving, leaningright.

 

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[Earl]

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Indeed.

The beady eyed far left loons will be whining about Thanksgiving while the rest of us will be enjoying family, good food and the fact that President Trump is making America safer and more prosperous.

Football, too.

There are three NFL games scheduled for Thanksgiving Day: the Green Bay Packers at the Detroit Lions, the Kansas City Chiefs at the Dallas Cowboys, and the Cincinnati Bengals at the Baltimore Ravens. The first two games are at 1 p.m. ET and 4:30 p.m. ET, respectively, followed by the evening game at 8:20 p.m. ET.

 

[Jarod]

I just can’t participate in Jarod’s thread. So I’m making my own and if the powers deem they need to be merged then so be it.

I don’t know what kind of history some of you were taught in the public schools or college, but we were shown two sides of the Thanksgiving story. We learned about the Wampanoag people and the Pilgrims, celebrating together. We were told how the Natives helped keep the Pilgrims from starving prior to that event. Yes, we eventually were taught about the atrocities some of the Europeans committed against the Natives in the history of our nation, but that wasn’t what Thanksgiving was about. We were taught that eventually there was a campaign to make Thanksgiving an American holiday and that Lincoln finally proclaimed it as such…to be celebrated in November. Finally, in an economic move, FDR declared it to be celebrated on the 4th Thursday in November.

Let me say again, we weren’t spared the history of the plight of the Natives. We weren’t sheltered from the Andrew Jackson’s or the Wounded Knee’s. But our history is what it is. You can’t go back and re-write it. Natives were treated badly and killed in the making of this country. But Natives can and do quite well nowadays playing in the system the white man has created. That is what you do. Our tribe makes millions every year and helps multiple Choctaw entrepreneurs get businesses started. Many are very successful. It is the culture in which we live. At the same time, my tribe continues to celebrate Thanksgiving while holding to our own traditional cultural celebrations at other times throughout the year.

For me, the statements and efforts that want to highlight the negative and make it seem that somehow the white man isn’t deserving of what he has in this country (obviously you haven’t seen the poor white people I deal with on a daily basis) are getting quite old. If true history is taught in my ruby red state (still not a blue county) then I’m sure it’s getting taught elsewhere, just maybe not with the self-loathing that some seem to want.

So I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here. I’ve never see any of you but have known some of you nearly 30 years. Eat some turkey (or chicken, fish or ham) and some pie. Watch some football. And find those things to be thankful for, like maybe the fact that you’re not a Dallas Cowboys fan (as I am)…

I Thessalonians 5:18 — in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Great post, other than the reference to me.

I was only taught one side, the theme was about how the Indians and English worked together to survive. I suspect at some level it was true.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Great post, other than the reference to me.

I was only taught one side, the theme was about how the Indians and English worked together to survive. I suspect at some level it was true.

Grade schools back in the day taught the traditional pilgrim story. Reading further shows how the pilgrims were idiots who almost starved to death and that "the Indians" were not homogenous people living in peace and prosperity before the Euros showed up. They were attacking and enslaving each other just like the Euros did to each other. People can be real assholes.

FWIW, many agricultural cultures have a harvest celebration. Same goes for a Spring festival celebrating surviving the winter and praying to the gods for bountiful growing season. Feast and famine are common in history. As discussed in other threads, the end of the Bronze Age was partially due to drought, subsequent famine and the movement of people in search of food resulting in human conflicts.

5 Harvest Festivals Around the World | Britannica

This Encyclopedia Britannica Society list features 5 harvest festivals celebrated around the world.

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The harvest season falls at different times of the year depending upon region, climate, and crop, but festivals celebrating its arrival are held the world over. Some are first-fruits festivals that recognize the start of the season and the first crops, while other harvest festivals are celebrations to give thanks for the blessing of a bountiful harvest and to mark or ensure the recurrence of the process.

Late Bronze Age collapse | Research Starters | EBSCO Research

<p>The Late Bronze Age collapse refers to a significant period of decline that occurred around the twelfth century BCE, affecting various civilizations in the Middle East and Mediterranean regions. Previously, these societies had experienced considerable economic and cultural growth, often...

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The causes of this collapse remain uncertain, though historians suggest a combination of factors including invasions, notably by the enigmatic Sea Peoples, severe droughts leading to famine, earthquakes, and interruptions in trade. These disruptions not only affected the flow of goods but also contributed to a cultural and economic downturn, marking the onset of one of the first "dark ages" in human history.

 

[Jarod]

I have no tribe to call home, my father was adopted by a white family and therefore we have no idea what tribe his mother and father may have been from... the mix with my very very white mother has made me look like a swarthy white guy... (genetic testing is scant for Native Americans, making results ridiculously vague, most Natives appear as if they come from "everywhere"). I do not know why Dad was put up for adoption, but I do know we lost some of our history thereby.

The best I can do is know genetically the tribe was in the Four Corners area. What tribe it was is a mystery.

And Happy Thanksgiving, leaningright.

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?

I assume you do, so Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Some here are claiming it is a "Christian" holiday.

I personally believe it is, as much as it is any other religious or ideology's holiday.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?

I assume you do, so Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Some here are claiming it is a "Christian" holiday.

I personally believe it is, as much as it is any other religious or ideology's holiday.

I believe it's the American version of a harvest celebration. Hence the common symbol of the ancient cornucopia, the horn of plenty. Some can see it as religious, but many non-Christian cultures celebrate the end of harvest.

The Thanksgiving Cornucopia Holds More Than Just Gourds

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Derived from motifs in classical Greek and Roman mythology, the cornucopia represents abundance, wealth, and prosperity. This symbolism exists even today when the horn of plenty often is displayed as a centerpiece for harvest celebrations, specifically, our own Thanksgiving holiday.

 

[Damocles]

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?

I assume you do, so Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Some here are claiming it is a "Christian" holiday.

I personally believe it is, as much as it is any other religious or ideology's holiday.

Of course we do, it is an American holiday, and my culture is different than my genetics due to the whole adoption thing. Although as a Buddhist I don't thank "god".

 

[Jarod]

Of course we do, it is an American holiday, and my culture is different than my genetics due to the whole adoption thing. Although as a Buddhist I don't thank "god".

@Earl

 

[Jarod]

Of course we do, it is an American holiday, and my culture is different than my genetics due to the whole adoption thing. Although as a Buddhist I don't thank "god".

(sarcasm on) WHAT? HOW CAN YOU BE THANKFUL if its not to God? (sarcasm off)

 

[Jarod]

Of course we do, it is an American holiday, and my culture is different than my genetics due to the whole adoption thing. Although as a Buddhist I don't thank "god".

All joking aside, I suspect you can explain it better than I can, thankfulness without God. Will you put it to words?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

All joking aside, I suspect you can explain it better than I can, thankfulness without God. Will you put it to words?

There are plenty of people in the world who don't live in peace, safety and have plenty of food on the table. Being thankful to live in a society where we can have those things doesn't require a deity.

 

[Damocles]

All joking aside, I suspect you can explain it better than I can, thankfulness without God. Will you put it to words?

Long version:

I’m thankful for the sheer fact that all of this exists at all, the incredible and improbable chain of causes and conditions that led to this moment, to life, to consciousness, to the people I love, to the food on my table, to the relative safety and freedom I enjoy. I’m grateful to the countless seen and unseen beings, farmers, cooks, parents, teachers, scientists, ancestors, even the microorganisms in the soil, whose efforts and sacrifices, intentional or not, converged to make my life possible. I feel a quiet awe at the interdependence of everything, the dance of life, and that awe itself feels like gratitude arising on its own, not owed to any single creator, but to the whole entangled web of life.

Short version:

I don’t thank a ‘who.’ I’m thankful that things are this way rather than a billion other ways they could have been. Gratitude doesn’t need a recipient; it’s a response to being alive and interconnected in a universe that didn’t have to allow it...

 

[NiftyNiblick]

In perfect truth, I don't really observe ANY holiday from the perspective of history.
I celebrate the opportunity to have a nice day.

Whether or not the holiday was precipitated for a valid reason or not is a discussion,
if one is intent on having it,
for another day.

Being politically left but missing the woke gene,
I'm ok with skipping that discussion altogether.

 

[Jarod]

Long version:

I’m thankful for the sheer fact that all of this exists at all, the incredible and improbable chain of causes and conditions that led to this moment, to life, to consciousness, to the people I love, to the food on my table, to the relative safety and freedom I enjoy. I’m grateful to the countless seen and unseen beings, farmers, cooks, parents, teachers, scientists, ancestors, even the microorganisms in the soil, whose efforts and sacrifices, intentional or not, converged to make my life possible. I feel a quiet awe at the interdependence of everything, the dance of life, and that awe itself feels like gratitude arising on its own, not owed to any single creator, but to the whole entangled web of life.

Short version:

I don’t thank a ‘who.’ I’m thankful that things are this way rather than a billion other ways they could have been. Gratitude doesn’t need a recipient; it’s a response to being alive and interconnected in a universe that didn’t have to allow it...

Thank you, perfectly stated. I wish I could have written it.

Especially, "...Gratitude doesn't need a recipient."

I really love Buddhism.