If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Hume]

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This Catholic stance to deliberately twice Scriptures to push their
Perpetual Virgin theory ,is the single biggest reason there is so much conflict between denominations! One reason I steer clear of Denominations.

Yet everything you say is mainstream Christianity.

 

[Margot]

Christianity is essentially magic.

Jesus is either
1.Liar
2.Lunatic
3. LORD
Thomas Aquinas

 

[Hume]

Jesus is either
1.Liar
2.Lunatic
3. LORD
Thomas Aquinas

Just a Jewish religion teacher.

 

[Margot]

Yet everything you say is mainstream Christianity.

Yes it is! That doesn't mean I want anything to do with squabbles in man made Denominations! That and in my situation, in my Office, I can't be labeled to be part of only one branch of Christianity!

 

[Margot]

Just a Jewish religion teacher.

Are you referring to Me,or Thomas

 

[ZenMode]

Not what a firmament is. You also seem to know a lot about what the writers of the Bible believed even though you've never talked to them...

Genealogies don't determine Earth's age.

Earth's age is unknown.

Yes, it's a story. It's also a historical event.

No.

FTFY. Parables (sort of). However, even they aren't just stories. They are intentionally crafted to teach deeper truths.

No.

An expanse. The sky. So?

A "miracle". Evidence that Jesus truly IS the Son of God.

What about it?

A "miracle". Because of this, Jesus truly IS, by nature, both God AND human.

God is a source of light.

What about it?

"Miracles". Evidence of God being who he says he is.

Thanks for confirming you care nothing about science in favor of your religious beliefs.

 

[Hume]

Are you referring to Me,or Thomas

I replied to your post.

 

[ZenMode]

An estimate of millions of years was an immense leap forward.

And still horribly wrong.

I appreciate you tacitly confessing that the Bible actually says nothing about the age of the Earth.

The calculation of the Earth's age is based on geneology, one of which claims to trace a blood line back to Adam and Eve. From that point, the math estimates are pretty easy.

If you haven't noticed, the Jewish people and their Israelite ancestors are famous for being story-tellers.

There's nothing wrong with using storytelling, myth, parable to illustrate truths about the human condition.

If you're college educated, you should be able to consider the literary style and literary genre to determine if it's story, parable, poetry, or narrative history. Even high school students should be trained in this practice by a good English teacher.

Genesis is widely recognized as Hebrew poetry.

In high school English class, your teacher should have told you that you don't read and interpret poetry, myth, parable, and science writing in the same way.

There are undoubtedly embellishments and literary licence used in the gospels. You have to use the techniques of literary criticism to infer the historically accurate narrative.

But if you read the entire New Testament, including the epistles, I think you would be surprised how relatively little magic is in it. A large majority of it is parable, historical narrative, instruction on practice and doctrine, moral teachings.

You're running cover for ridiculous, anti-science claims of the Bible. Most Christians believe the Bible is literal BECAUSE it's sold as the Word of God.

 

[IBDaMann]

Catholics have been claiming "perpetual virgin" for centuries

Nope.

Catholics assert that Mary's pregnancy with Jesus was miraculous, directly from God, etc. Because Mary was chosen by God for this role, Catholics assert that Mary is blessed and favored, that Mary has a special place in heaven, and that she should be treated with solemn respect. This is what Catholics have been asserting for centuries.

There is no "perpetual virginity" in that narrative.

I see that you don't mind bearing false witness.

 

[IBDaMann]

Catholics pretend Jesus's brothers and sisters are cousins,

Nope. You are just bearing false witness.

 

[IBDaMann]

You are highly confused. Perpetual virginity in Catholic doctrine means Mary never had biological children,

You are highly confused. Perpetual virginity in Catholic doctrine means that no man's penis found its way into her cootchie.

Why are non-Catholics suddenly pretending to speak for Catholics, and getting it so WRONG?

 

[Hume]

You are highly confused. Perpetual virginity in Catholic doctrine means that no man's penis found its way into her cootchie.

Why are non-Catholics suddenly pretending to speak for Catholics, and getting it so WRONG?

Yes, she has a biological baby without sex.

 

[gmark77]

Jesus is either
1.Liar
2.Lunatic
3. LORD
Thomas Aquinas

Wasn't that CS Lewis?

Either way this is an emotional appeal. No one wants to insult believers and use pejorative terms like "liar" or "lunatic".

Look at the countless others who, throughout history, have claimed to be the Lord. It happens.

Here's something else to think about: what if Jesus was an honest well-meaning apocalyptic preacher (a dime a dozen in that era Palestine) and upon his death his cult, through a combination of imagination, confusion and desperation invented the stories.

 

[Into the Night]

(Word games ignored)

(Word games ignored)

Inversion fallacies. Argument of the Stone fallacies.

And the Bible.

Nothing about it in the Bible. You just made it up.

Exact age? No. Do we know it's not 6000 years old? Yes.

The age of Earth is unknown.

Sure, Jan.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Illiteracy: Missing periods. Use of plural for singular. Synthesis.

No argument presented. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

Just meaningless babble.

Moving on....

Inversion fallacy. Lie. You are NOT moving on. You are endlessly repeating your babble.

 

[Into the Night]

Sky Wizard = deity = god

So you believe this 'Sky Wizard' is a god? I though you said you didn't believe in any god or gods.

I didn't say science "was" a proof.

Lie. DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

Inversion inversion fallacy.

Denial of logic. Random words.

Obviously not plexiglass, but some kind of solid structure that has windows/gates that open to let rain in.

No such structure described in the Bible, Automaton.

 

[Into the Night]

You are highly confused.

Inversion fallacy.

Perpetual virginity in Catholic doctrine

There isn't any.

means Mary never had biological children,

Yes she did.

even after Jesus was born.

Irrelevant.

Catholics attempt to claim Jesus' brothers and sisters mentioned in the gospels really weren't siblings, but they were just cousins.

They are siblings, not cousins.

Protestants take a plain-reading approach of the written word in the gospel:

No, they don't. They deny portions of the Bible just like the Catholics do. Just different portions.

Mary had biological children after Jesus was born, and they were siblings to Jesus.

Stop making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not. You wish I was, but I'm not.

You already did.

Nope. Science is science. Bible is Bible.

NOW you claim this? You cannot argue both sides of a paradox, Automaton.

Deflection.

Inversion fallacy.

It references a firmament, which is a solid structure. In the case of the Bible, that solid structure has windows/gates that open to let rain fall from the sky rivers.

There is no description of a solid structure like that anywhere in the Bible. Go learn Hebrew.

It's implied and it's wrong.

It is not implied. YOU are the only one claiming the sky is a solid structure.

Thanks for confirming that religion runs contrary to science. I already knew that.

Nothing in Christianity runs contrary to science.
The Church of Global Warming routinely discards several theories of science and mathematics.
The Church of Green routinely discards several theories of science and mathematics.
The Church of the EV discards engineering and science.
The Church of Covid discards logic and engineering.
The Church of Hate discards history, mathematics, the Constitution of the United States, and engineering.
The Church of No God discards several words in English and tries to redefine science itself.

You believe in all of these religions. ALL of these religions are fundamentalist by nature.

Ridiculous claims made once are still ridiculous claims,

So stop making ridiculous claims.

especially when they come from a book that is labeled as the "word of God".

How do basketball players come into this???

Why? You'll just keep denying them or claim they "happened once" as though that makes them any less ridiculous.

Obviously.

 

[ZenMode]

Inversion fallacy. Lie. You are NOT moving on. You are endlessly repeating your babble.

No babble. Just things you don't want to honestly discuss.

Sometimes I choose to ignore your games and try to respond to the topic. Other times I don't.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet everything you say is mainstream Christianity.

What is 'mainstream Christianity', Hugo?