Is it our job to fight Iran?

Re post #100 be aware that they talk mostly about Venezuela...I hate it when podcasters do this....it comes from lack of professionalism.

I am not generally a fan of Jackson Hinkle .
 
QP! said:
So if China was to decide to shut down all access to rare earth's tomorrow believing this escalation would devastate the US worse and it did, do you believe the US would be justified in attacking China to get control of them or force China into compliance?
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I don't think it's justified. But considering the many unjustified things the US has done to China, if war could truly help the US solve its problems, do you think the US government wouldn't choose war? I mean, the core reason preventing the US from going to war with China isn't moral, but military. Isn't that right?

Of course, the relationship between China and the US is actually very complex; China isn't entirely an enemy of the US. Those American business executives who visit China every year are well aware of this. I just feel that it's difficult to draw accurate conclusions by judging this complex relationship by moral standards.
 
Jack Grealish said:
I don't think it's justified. But considering the many unjustified things the US has done to China, if war could truly help the US solve its problems, do you think the US government wouldn't choose war? I mean, the core reason preventing the US from going to war with China isn't moral, but military. Isn't that right?

Of course, the relationship between China and the US is actually very complex; China isn't entirely an enemy of the US. Those American business executives who visit China every year are well aware of this. I just feel that it's difficult to draw accurate conclusions by judging this complex relationship by moral standards.
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Ok, well you saying it would not be justified now seems to diverge from what you said prior...

... I think there's nothing shameful about frankly admitting that the essence of the matter is overthrowing a government unfriendly to the United States (to be precise, any government that tries to control its own natural resources is unfriendly to the United States). It's perfectly normal for any country to fight for its own interests. Why insist on saying "for freedom"?
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... that i was replying to by asking you if you thought the US would be justified in attacking China if they simply withheld all 'rare earth' sales to the US which would devastate almost all technology industries including the US military.
 
QP! said:
that i was replying to by asking you if you thought the US would be justified in attacking China if they simply withheld all 'rare earth' sales to the US which would devastate almost all technology industries including the US military.
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Frankly speaking, if a country suddenly cuts off exports of a commodity crucial to China, attempting to cripple China's development, I believe China has the right to respond with military action. You understand what I mean.

Of course, the essence of the rare earth issue lies in the series of negotiations between China and the US, where it happens to be the most effective and direct bargaining chip. The US has its chips, and China has its chips. I believe that negotiations between China and the US are paramount, and the chips themselves must serve the purpose of negotiations.

If one day China decides to resolutely and completely cut off the rare earth supply, it indicates that the negotiations have broken down, and the two countries will engage in direct confrontation in multiple areas, including military confrontation. Whether this confrontation itself is triggered by rare earths is then no longer important.
 
goat said:
Iran is near the top of US sanctioned countries, but you don't care about that human rights violation.

The CIA and mossad are funding and implementing a violent overthrow of Iran's leadership, but that's somehow OK with you.

Iran has one of the largest oil and gas reserves in the world that israel wants control of and are willing to use nukes to get it. Are nukes a human rights violation?
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Yes it is totally ok and you are a sick bastard, Iran needs to be free once and for all from the Islamists.
 
goat said:
Iran is near the top of US sanctioned countries, but you don't care about that human rights violation.

The CIA and mossad are funding and implementing a violent overthrow of Iran's leadership, but that's somehow OK with you.

Iran has one of the largest oil and gas reserves in the world that israel wants control of and are willing to use nukes to get it. Are nukes a human rights violation?
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Yes it is totally ok
serendipity said:
J.K Rowling calls out liberals who claim to care about human rights but are silent about Iran.

“If you claim to support human rights yet can’t bring yourself to show solidarity with those fighting for their liberty in Iran, you’ve revealed yourself.

You don’t give a damn about people being oppressed and brutalised so long as it’s being done by the enemies of your enemies.”
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Well said but as per usual not one woman of the Left will say anything.
 
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