Anybody here think trump's healthcare "plan" is real?

evince said:
Those bars about sadness for those who suffer show a awesomely beautiful thing


It shows 91% of men feel sadness for those who suffer


MOST PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY GOOD

ONLY 9 percent of men feel no compassion for others


These fucking Nazi maga cluck will never have the numbers to successfully fight the people and win


Thanks Dutch
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Agreed most people are good. The MAGAtards on JPP are an exception: bitter, lonely, hateful old men who fear facing judgment. I feel sad for them since it's not a good way to go nor is it a very happy ending.

Notice how quickly the MAGAtards ran from these studies. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed most people are good. The MAGAtards on JPP are an exception: bitter, lonely, hateful old men who fear facing judgment. I feel sad for them since it's not a good way to go nor is it a very happy ending.

Notice how quickly the MAGAtards ran from these studies. LOL
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And young men who embrace such toxic ideals that no woman will touch their tiny dicks unless paid lots of money

Good thing there are maga girls who will take that money no matter how reluctantly they do it
 
Anyway, you can read about his program at: greathealthcare.gov which takes you to the link below.

greathealthcare.gov

The Great Healthcare Plan

President Donald J. Trump is calling on Congress to enact the Great Healthcare Plan, a comprehensive plan to lower drug prices, lower insurance premiums, hold big insurance companies accountable, and maximize price transparency.
greathealthcare.gov greathealthcare.gov
 
Damocles said:
Is that what the article said. It was an opinion piece by a liberal as to why there is more reported mental health issues for liberals.
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that's her justification of why they're so upset when they don't get what they want.

they're the evolved saviours of mankind, and it hurts when they get ignored.

how about a crucifixion and the spear in the side, hoes?
 
Ross Dolan said:
Bullshit.

Here are one set of rankings for best healthcare in the world.

  1. Taiwan (78.72)
  2. South Korea (77.7)
  3. Australia (74.11)
  4. Canada (71.32)
  5. Sweden (70.73)
  6. Ireland (67.99)
  7. Netherlands (65.38)
  8. Germany (64.66)
  9. Norway (64.63)
  10. Israel (61.73)
  11. Belgium (60.16)
  12. Switzerland (59.6)
  13. Japan (59.52)
  14. Singapore (57.96)
  15. United States (56.71)
  16. Austria (54.86)
  17. United Arab Emirates (52.3)
  18. Czech Republic (52.25)
  19. Finland (52.1)
  20. Portugal (51.99)

www.internationalinsurance.com

The Best Healthcare in the World: Country Rankings

Discover the countries with the best healthcare in 2024 and learn about the key factors that make Italy, Singapore, and Iceland top the list.
www.internationalinsurance.com www.internationalinsurance.com
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Here's another:
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www.commonwealthfund.org

Mirror, Mirror 2024: A Portrait of the Failing U.S. Health System

Mirror, Mirror 2024 compares the health systems of 10 countries on five domains: access to care, care process, administrative efficiency, equity, and outcomes.
www.commonwealthfund.org www.commonwealthfund.org
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Here's what they were ranked on:

ceoworld.biz

Countries With The Best Health Care Systems, 2025 - CEOWORLD magazine

Explore the 2025 CEOWORLD Health Care Index: Taiwan ranks #1 worldwide, with South Korea, Sweden, and Germany in the top 10. Data-driven insights for CEOs and policymakers.
ceoworld.biz ceoworld.biz

Further down in the page this is listed:

The Health Care Index measures five variables:

  • Healthcare Infrastructure – quality and capacity of hospitals, clinics, and networks.
  • Medical Professionals – competence and density of doctors, nurses, and health workers.
  • Medicine Availability and Cost – accessibility and affordability of essential medicines.
  • Government Readiness – ability to respond to crises, regulate effectively, and invest in prevention.
  • Environmental & Lifestyle Factors – access to clean water, sanitation, and regulation of health risks.

Now, the Commonwealth study mentioned at the bottom of RD's post measures:

Access to Care focuses on the affordability and availability of health services at the population level.

Care Process looks at whether the care that is delivered includes features and attributes that most experts around the world consider to be essential to high-quality care. The elements of this domain are prevention, safety, coordination, patient engagement, and sensitivity to patient preferences.

Administrative efficiency focuses on measures of the challenges doctors have in dealing with insurance or medical claims issues; requirements for providers to report clinical or quality data to governmental agencies; and patients’ time spent resolving medical bill disputes and completing paperwork.

Equity reflects how people with below-average and above-average incomes differ in their access to health care and their care experience

Health outcomes reported here refer to those outcomes that are most likely to be responsive to health care interventions.

Care process is the only measure of the quality of the health care system itself. Everything else is administrative or measuring how socialized the system is. In terms of actual care Commonwealth lists the US as #2. But because the US doesn't have a socialized, universal, healthcare system it is heavily penalized by the rest of the measures in this study.

When those advocating for universal, government run, healthcare in the US use this study they are in effect, presenting a Pygmalion. That is, they are presenting a study that awards universal government run healthcare with high marks and systems that don't do that with low ones. Thus, they are arguing from a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ross Dolan said:
Here is the cost factor:

Health expenditures per capita, U.S. dollars, 2023 (current prices and PPP adjusted)​

United States $13,432

Switzerland $9,688

Germany $8,441

Austria $7,811

Netherlands $7,737

Sweden $7,522

Comparable Country Average $7,393

Belgium $7,380

France $7,136

Canada $7,013

Australia $6,931


United Kingdom $6,023

Japan $5,640

Notes: Data from Australia, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and United States are estimated. Data from Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Sweden and the United Kingdom are provisional.

www.healthsystemtracker.org

How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

This chart collection examines how U.S. health spending compares to health spending in other similarly large, wealthy OECD countries using the OECD Health Statistics database.
www.healthsystemtracker.org www.healthsystemtracker.org
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In this case the only thing measured is spending. Outcomes, quality, whatever aren't mentioned. This is pretty much irrelevant.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Here's what they were ranked on:

ceoworld.biz

Countries With The Best Health Care Systems, 2025 - CEOWORLD magazine

Explore the 2025 CEOWORLD Health Care Index: Taiwan ranks #1 worldwide, with South Korea, Sweden, and Germany in the top 10. Data-driven insights for CEOs and policymakers.
ceoworld.biz ceoworld.biz

Further down in the page this is listed:

The Health Care Index measures five variables:

  • Healthcare Infrastructure – quality and capacity of hospitals, clinics, and networks.
  • Medical Professionals – competence and density of doctors, nurses, and health workers.
  • Medicine Availability and Cost – accessibility and affordability of essential medicines.
  • Government Readiness – ability to respond to crises, regulate effectively, and invest in prevention.
  • Environmental & Lifestyle Factors – access to clean water, sanitation, and regulation of health risks.
Now, the Commonwealth study mentioned at the bottom of RD's post measures:

Access to Care focuses on the affordability and availability of health services at the population level.

Care Process looks at whether the care that is delivered includes features and attributes that most experts around the world consider to be essential to high-quality care. The elements of this domain are prevention, safety, coordination, patient engagement, and sensitivity to patient preferences.

Administrative efficiency focuses on measures of the challenges doctors have in dealing with insurance or medical claims issues; requirements for providers to report clinical or quality data to governmental agencies; and patients’ time spent resolving medical bill disputes and completing paperwork.

Equity reflects how people with below-average and above-average incomes differ in their access to health care and their care experience

Health outcomes reported here refer to those outcomes that are most likely to be responsive to health care interventions.

Care process is the only measure of the quality of the health care system itself. Everything else is administrative or measuring how socialized the system is. In terms of actual care Commonwealth lists the US as #2. But because the US doesn't have a socialized, universal, healthcare system it is heavily penalized by the rest of the measures in this study.

When those advocating for universal, government run, healthcare in the US use this study they are in effect, presenting a Pygmalion. That is, they are presenting a study that awards universal government run healthcare with high marks and systems that don't do that with low ones. Thus, they are arguing from a self-fulfilling prophecy.


In this case the only thing measured is spending. Outcomes, quality, whatever aren't mentioned. This is pretty much irrelevant.
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If it is necessary for you to avoid even acknowledging that the U.S. spends more on medical care per capita...and receives less in the way of medically valuable results than other industrialized nations...fine. I do hope I never get to a politically motivated philosophical position where I would do it, but you are you...and I am I.

Here is what AI had to say about the issue:


The U.S. ranks poorly on major health problems compared to other high-income nations, often last overall for health outcomes like life expectancy and infant mortality, despite high spending, due to issues with access, equity, chronic diseases (obesity, diabetes), and maternal mortality. While excelling in some areas like patient-centered care, the U.S. lags significantly in preventing avoidable deaths, managing chronic conditions, and providing equitable access, scoring last in overall performance in recent studies.
Key Areas of Concern
  • Life Expectancy & Mortality: Shorter life expectancy, high rates of avoidable deaths, and worse outcomes for conditions like heart disease and lung disease.
  • Maternal & Child Health: Highest rates of infant mortality, low birth weight, and women dying from childbirth complications.
  • Chronic Diseases: Highest obesity rates and high diabetes prevalence, plus higher rates of disability among older adults.
  • Injuries & Violence: Higher deaths from motor vehicle crashes, non-transportation injuries, and violence.
  • Substance Abuse: Higher years of life lost to alcohol and drugs.
Healthcare System Performance
  • Overall Ranking: The U.S. often ranks last among high-income countries in studies by organizations like the Commonwealth Fund, especially for outcomes, equity, and access.
  • Access & Equity: Ranks poorly due to barriers in affording care and disparities based on income, race, and ethnicity.
  • Care Process: Performs well on some aspects, like patient involvement, but struggles with administrative efficiency (insurance issues) and primary care physician supply.
Contrasting Strengths
  • Innovation & Technology: High use of advanced diagnostics (like MRIs) and strong performance in areas like pandemic preparedness.
  • Patient Experience: Good at patient-centered care and shorter wait times for appointments.
In essence, the U.S. spends the most on healthcare but achieves worse health outcomes for its population, particularly concerning chronic illness, premature death, and equitable access compared to other wealthy nations.

As I said, you are entitled to feel about that as you want. I feel very sad and disappointed on the matter.
 
Ross Dolan said:
If it is necessary for you to avoid even acknowledging that the U.S. spends more on medical care per capita...and receives less in the way of medically valuable results than other industrialized nations...fine. I do hope I never get to a politically motivated philosophical position where I would do it, but you are you...and I am I.

Here is what AI had to say about the issue:


The U.S. ranks poorly on major health problems compared to other high-income nations, often last overall for health outcomes like life expectancy and infant mortality, despite high spending, due to issues with access, equity, chronic diseases (obesity, diabetes), and maternal mortality. While excelling in some areas like patient-centered care, the U.S. lags significantly in preventing avoidable deaths, managing chronic conditions, and providing equitable access, scoring last in overall performance in recent studies.
Key Areas of Concern
  • Life Expectancy & Mortality: Shorter life expectancy, high rates of avoidable deaths, and worse outcomes for conditions like heart disease and lung disease.
  • Maternal & Child Health: Highest rates of infant mortality, low birth weight, and women dying from childbirth complications.
  • Chronic Diseases: Highest obesity rates and high diabetes prevalence, plus higher rates of disability among older adults.
  • Injuries & Violence: Higher deaths from motor vehicle crashes, non-transportation injuries, and violence.
  • Substance Abuse: Higher years of life lost to alcohol and drugs.
Healthcare System Performance
  • Overall Ranking: The U.S. often ranks last among high-income countries in studies by organizations like the Commonwealth Fund, especially for outcomes, equity, and access.
  • Access & Equity: Ranks poorly due to barriers in affording care and disparities based on income, race, and ethnicity.
  • Care Process: Performs well on some aspects, like patient involvement, but struggles with administrative efficiency (insurance issues) and primary care physician supply.
Contrasting Strengths
  • Innovation & Technology: High use of advanced diagnostics (like MRIs) and strong performance in areas like pandemic preparedness.
  • Patient Experience: Good at patient-centered care and shorter wait times for appointments.
In essence, the U.S. spends the most on healthcare but achieves worse health outcomes for its population, particularly concerning chronic illness, premature death, and equitable access compared to other wealthy nations.

As I said, you are entitled to feel about that as you want. I feel very sad and disappointed on the matter.
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Now you're cherry picking results. Injuries and violence has NOTHING to do with the healthcare provided. Those are external to it. Obesity and diabetes are the same thing. Those occur from lifestyle choices not healthcare provided. In fact, all five listed can be argued to be largely external of the healthcare system unless you are going to say the government should be forcing people into healthier and less risker lifestyle choices--which you very well might be doing.

I went through the Commonwealth study already. It is about 90% based on how socialized and government run the system is. Conflating issues to make the US come out worst proves nothing.
 
FastLane said:
:magrin:

Jealous ...no ....amused ....yes.

:magagrin:
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evince said:
Those bars about sadness for those who suffer show a awesomely beautiful thing


It shows 91% of men feel sadness for those who suffer


MOST PEOPLE ARE MOSTLY GOOD

ONLY 9 percent of men feel no compassion for others


These fucking Nazi maga cluck will never have the numbers to successfully fight the people and win


Thanks Dutch
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I don't think anyone is going to invite you or Dutch to lead a seminar on how to be mentally physically healthy....;)
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Now you're cherry picking results. Injuries and violence has NOTHING to do with the healthcare provided. Those are external to it. Obesity and diabetes are the same thing. Those occur from lifestyle choices not healthcare provided. In fact, all five listed can be argued to be largely external of the healthcare system unless you are going to say the government should be forcing people into healthier and less risker lifestyle choices--which you very well might be doing.

I went through the Commonwealth study already. It is about 90% based on how socialized and government run the system is. Conflating issues to make the US come out worst proves nothing.
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The U. S. put more money per person into healthcare than ANY OTHER country...and still ranks poorly in healthcare performance. I am sorely disappointed in that...to the core. I would love to see healthcare much more affordable for each citizen...and have our healthcare performance be the envy of the world.

It won't be soon.

I understand the things you mentioned...and I will mention one more.

If we allowed a system more closely aligned with some of that "socialism" that "pollutes all those other countries who spend much less per capita...and achieve much better results...we would be denying insurance companies their right/oppportunity to make the profits that their investors want. In a capitalistic system such as we have, that is a legitimate consideration...perhaps even a primary consideration. Ultimately, we will harm the billionaires of America who want to compete with billionaires from other countries to see who can become the richest person in the world.

So, although better, less expensive healthcare might be a reasonable objective of a nation like ours, protecting the kind of competition I mentioned is also...right?

I, personally, may cringe at the notion, but decent, reasonable, caring people may strongly disagree with me on this.

Apparently you do.
 
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