Don Lemon

QP! said:
Wrong.

Unless it is specifically disclosed and the church is open EVERYONE AND ANYONE can enter and CANNOT be charged.

They would have to post who was not allowed to enter and when.
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That simply is not true. Entering itself would not be illegal, but holding them there, not allowing them to leave, intimidating and threatening, shouting and interrupting, sticking microphones in their faces and not leaving when asked... All of that is illegal. And a specific violation of what is now known as the "KKK Law"...
 
zymurgy said:
churches are private property that invite the public in for certain purposes (worship, events), similar to a store inviting customers. That invitation can be limited (hours, rules of conduct) and revoked (ask someone to leave; issue a no-trespass order).

So a church is often publicly accessible, but it’s not “public” in the sense of a sidewalk, park, or courthouse. It is more like a house in that regard
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Correct.

And as with any and every store if it is currently open to the public and has no exclusions posted any one and everyone can enter
 
QP! said:
A reporter going along to report would say that, so again you seem to have nothing but are desperate to create something
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Possibly, however going all the way in with them, then actively participating as he did rather than simply reporting on what was happening, that is what makes it somewhat different. He told you "we" are "going" to do something, then he did it, and was an active participant, not an observer. Had he just followed them in, didn't block anyone, just took footage, and didn't stick the microphone in the face of the pastor demanding the pastor recognize his first amendment right to do what he and his pals were doing (which neither he, nor they, had any right to do)... I would likely agree with you.
 
Crepitus said:
Yes, he had a right to be there as a reporter.

If you say he wasn't reporting then he had a right to be there as a protestor.

When you work for Nazis you're gonna hafta expect some blowback.
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So if Megyn Kelly and a group of protester went inside of an abortion clinic and started protesting and Megyn interviewed the abortionist (I refuse to call them Doctors.) would you be fine with that Elephant Man?
 
Damocles said:
That simply is not true. Entering itself would not be illegal, but holding them there, not allowing them to leave, intimidating and threatening, shouting and interrupting, sticking microphones in their faces and not leaving when asked... All of that is illegal. And a specific violation of what is now known as the "KKK Law"...
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Again stop being so stupid.

You are saying illegal things are illegal and nothing more.

It is like we are discussing 'did he have a right to order off the menu'? And you reply 'no it's illegal when you shoot and kill the waiter'.

You are adding in crimes that if he did then yes but that has NOTHING then to do with his reporting
 
Damocles said:
Possibly, however going all the say in, then actively participating as he did rather than simply reporting on what was happening, that is what makes it somewhat different.
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Going in DURING a worship service is what makes it different. Lemon could have reported from the public sidewalk with out violating the law.
 
QP! said:
Again stop being so stupid.
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Mote eye, verse in the Bible, look it up...
QP! said:
You are saying illegal things are illegal and nothing more.

It is like we are discussing 'did he have a right to order off the menu'? And you reply 'no it's illegal when you shoot and kill the waiter'.

You are adding in crimes that if he did then yes but that has NOTHING then to do with his reporting
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I am describing to you what was done there, and telling you why it was illegal. He did not go into the restaurant to "order off the menu", he went in to "shoot the waiter". He was not reporting, he was actively participating.
 
Damocles said:
Mote eye, verse in the Bible, look it up...

I am describing to you what was done there, and telling you why it was illegal. He did not go into the restaurant to "order off the menu", he went in to "shoot the waiter". He was not reporting, he was actively participating.
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He would but he has a beam in his eye at the moment.
 
QP! said:
Again stop being so stupid.

You are saying illegal things are illegal and nothing more.

It is like we are discussing 'did he have a right to order off the menu'? And you reply 'no it's illegal when you shoot and kill the waiter'.

You are adding in crimes that if he did then yes but that has NOTHING then to do with his reporting
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He was interfering with a religious services you dimwitted elf.

(2)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship;

www.law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu
 
FastLane said:
Going in DURING a worship service is what makes it different. Lemon could have reported from the public sidewalk with out violating the law.
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He could have gone in and filmed them breaking the law without breaking the law, but instead he gleefully stuck the mic in the face of the pastor and told him all about his (Lemon's) rights, while violating the same actual Amendment....
 
QP! said:
I do not know the specifics of this case but reporters have the right to go EVERYWHERE a crime is being done and they want to report on outside a closed crime scene and a few other exceptions.

A church is NEVER one.
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Restating my first post since it answers what I keep being asked.

And for the record I do not trust any of your summaries of the crimes because I already see in what Damo has stated a near desperation to frame things as crimes that are not
 
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