Don Lemon

LurchAddams said:
Ok. So I'm betting it'll be thrown out.

No profane avatars. Accepted. I respect your choice. Pleasantly surprised!
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Lurch you need to clarify the below, as Fastlane is saying 'it merely reaching trial', even if thrown out and dismissed during trial.

If you are ok with your bet being on 'pre-trial motions' only, then fine, and i suspect it will get dismissed there. But the way it Fastlane has wrote it, it could go to tial, get dismissed quickly there and yet Fastlane would claim a win.

the clearer bet would simply be to bet that this case does not make it to a verdict without being dismissed on that path.

Fastlane specifically said with the James and COmey cases 'the indictments were the point', causing inconvenience and cost and legal peril, which was an acknowledgement that she never expected any of the cases to succeed and i suspect the same here.



FastLane said:
I bet you that this goes to trial if it does not I will put the avatar of your choice on my JPP account . If it goes to trial you will put an Avatar of my choice on your account.

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1. No profane avatars
2. The avatars must remain on the other person's account for at least 30 days.
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QP! said:
Lurch you need to clarify the below, as Fastlane is saying 'it merely reaching trial', even if thrown out and dismissed during trial.

If you are ok with your bet being on 'pre-trial motions' only, then fine, and i suspect it will get dismissed there. But the way it Fastlane has wrote it, it could go to tial, get dismissed quickly there and yet Fastlane would claim a win.

the clearer bet would simply be to bet that this case does not make it to a verdict without being dismissed on that path.

Fastlane specifically said with the James and COmey cases 'the indictments were the point', causing inconvenience and cost and legal peril, which was an acknowledgement that she never expected any of the cases to succeed and i suspect the same here.
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No. I'm saying it WON'T go to trial at all. The case will be thrown out by any judge. Unless that judge turns out to be Eileen Cannon.
 
LurchAddams said:
No. I'm saying it WON'T go to trial at all. The case will be thrown out by any judge. Unless that judge turns out to be Eileen Cannon.
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ok. just wanted to make sure things are clear because if it does somehow make it to court first, and then in the first motion by the defense it is dismissed as meritless, then you agree Fastlane wins, which is fine.

I also think it is most likely to get dismissed in pretrial motions, but a lot of judges are hesitant to not allow cases to get to trial and prefer to deal with merit based motions in the trial setting, so that reason i would not give Fastlane that type of win, if you are correct that it gets dismissed for the reasons you say but procedurally it just happens in trial and not pre trial. But that is up to you.
 
QP! said:
Lurch you need to clarify the below, as Fastlane is saying 'it merely reaching trial', even if thrown out and dismissed during trial.

If you are ok with your bet being on 'pre-trial motions' only, then fine, and i suspect it will get dismissed there. But the way it Fastlane has wrote it, it could go to tial, get dismissed quickly there and yet Fastlane would claim a win.

the clearer bet would simply be to bet that this case does not make it to a verdict without being dismissed on that path.

Fastlane specifically said with the James and COmey cases 'the indictments were the point', causing inconvenience and cost and legal peril, which was an acknowledgement that she never expected any of the cases to succeed and i suspect the same here.
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QP Lurch is a MAN OF Honor unlike you and the bet stands as written No changes after the bet will be made
 
the next hearing is Feb. 9, 2026. If the judge sets a briefing schedule for a Rule 12 motion and you start seeing focused arguments about whether the charged statutes even fit the alleged conduct (especially as applied to journalists), that’s where the real “dismissal odds” will become clearer.

In general, a pretrial dismissal after a grand jury indictment is uncommon, because a motion to dismiss typically can’t argue “the evidence is weak”
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I also wasn't aware that going into a church when a service is in progress is a crime. In fact, it's always been my experience that churches WELCOME non-parishioners. Now if the pastor asks them to leave and they refuse, it could be considered trespassing. If a reporter is embedded with the group and covering the action, he/she is merely reporting as is done in all free countries.

Which leads us to the fact that Reichwingers like FatLame are not in favor of freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and apparently not even the 2A right to legally possess and carry a firearm. She's been adamant that Pretti's murder was justified because he had a LEGAL firearm which he was LEGALLY carrying. Even though he was disarmed, face down, when he was executed.

FatLame, like most MAGATs, is an excellent Nazi.
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You are aware that going in to a church to intimidate and interrupt services is illegal, it was in fact made illegal because Democrats used to go into the houses of worship with black parishioners to intimidate and cause harm. It is one of the reasons why these laws are referred to as "KKK Laws".

This is like pretending that their entry to intimidate and hold them hostage in their house of worship is the same thing as entering to participate in worship services. QPeeeeee!! tried to pretend that it would be the same entering a restaurant to "order off the menu"... If you are entering the church to worship with them, you are free to enter, if you are entering to intimidate and harass you are breaking the laws which, as we've noted, are referred to as the "KKK Laws"...
 
zymurgy said:
the next hearing is Feb. 9, 2026. If the judge sets a briefing schedule for a Rule 12 motion and you start seeing focused arguments about whether the charged statutes even fit the alleged conduct (especially as applied to journalists), that’s where the real “dismissal odds” will become clearer.

In general, a pretrial dismissal after a grand jury indictment is uncommon, because a motion to dismiss typically can’t argue “the evidence is weak”
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Yep I have a great avatar picked out for Lurchy. But don't tell him that.
 
FastLane said:
Your only chance is if Lemon cuts a deal instead of going to trial.
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oh here is the repeat of the line @T. A. Gardner said when Letisha James and James COmey were first indicted after many failed attempts to indict them. Terry was certain they would cut a deal and cited the DoJ success rate at trial as the reason.

What Terry did not know, that you also do not, is that Trump and his DoJ are so incompetent they literally struggle to indict ham sandwich (throwers) and they fail in court at an astonishing rate.

WHat does this Don Lemon case have in common with the James and Comey ones? Yet again when the DoJ tried to bring the case thru the normal channels the independent review by the Judge saw them reject and Trumps DoJ had to go another path to get it done.

Federal Judge Refuses to Sign Complaint Bringing Charges Against Don Lemon for Protest at Church: Report​

 
FastLane said:
Yep I have a great avatar picked out for Lurchy. But don't tell him that.
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Honestly, I think you may regret that bet if you actually have an agreement. @LurchAddams has been running around saying nobody has been willing to bet him, so you should make sure he's willing to pay up.

It is very difficult to get courts to convict "press" on anything. They tend to "err" on the side of Press, even if they are violating others' rights with their own right.
 
Damocles said:
You are aware that going in to a church to intimidate and interrupt services is illegal, it was in fact made illegal because Democrats used to go into the houses of worship with black parishioners to intimidate and cause harm. It is one of the reasons why these laws are referred to as "KKK Laws".

This is like pretending that their entry to intimidate and hold them hostage in their house of worship is the same thing as entering to participate in worship services. QPeeeeee!! tried to pretend that it would be the same entering a restaurant to "order off the menu"... If you are entering the church to worship with them, you are free to enter, if you are entering to intimidate and harass you are breaking the laws which, as we've noted, are referred to as the "KKK Laws"...
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Damo, why do you continue to be so stupid... oh wait it is because you are stupid.

This was the OP i replied to ...

FastLane said:
Which JPP Leftists here would go on record with saying Lemon was legally OK going into a church during a service and interrupting worship? Did he have the right to be there as a reporter?
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And YES AS A REPORTER, he would "have the right to be there and report".

That is the question asked that i answered.

That you keep replying with 'but here is a list of crimes and if he did any of them does he then have a right to be there', IS NOT something i ever posted about nor what you replied to in MY post.

A person has a right to go in to diner and order food. I hope you would be smart enough to agree and if you agree and i THEN SAY AFTER 'but he shot someone while ordering and he does not have a right to do that', you are then adding in a point we were not discussing and that no one disagreed with. You are being stupid
 
Damocles said:
Honestly, I think you may regret that bet if you actually have an agreement. @LurchAddams has been running around saying nobody has been willing to bet him, so you should make sure he's willing to pay up.
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Fuck you.
Damocles said:
It is very difficult to get courts to convict "press" on anything. They tend to "err" on the side of Press, even if they are violating others' rights with their own right.
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It's not that. Lemon was in that church as a journalist.
 
LurchAddams said:
Fuck you.

It's not that. Lemon was in that church as a journalist.
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Lemon was in that church participating in what he thought was "protest" but what was intimidation and a violation of Federal laws that we commonly refer to as "the KKK Laws". He stuffed the microphone in the pastor's face and told him all about it, how it was his right...

Personally, if I were the Administration, I would have arrested all the "protestors" and ignored Lemon. Lemon is sleeping well feeling relevant today, they gave him that.
 
Damocles said:
Honestly, I think you may regret that bet if you actually have an agreement. @LurchAddams has been running around saying nobody has been willing to bet him, so you should make sure he's willing to pay up.

It is very difficult to get courts to convict "press" on anything. They tend to "err" on the side of Press, even if they are violating others' rights with their own right.
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the bet does not require conviction, just that it survives any pre trial motion for dismissal.

So, for instance, if the judge decides the major motions will be dealt with within the trial start instead of pretrial, as he sees non of them as requiring specific pre trial address, and then the judge dismisses the case on Day 1 of motions in trial, Fastlane wins.
 
Damocles said:
Lemon was in that church participating in what he thought was "protest" but what was intimidation and a violation of Federal laws that we commonly refer to as "the KKK Laws". He stuffed the microphone in the pastor's face and told him all about it, how it was his right...

Personally, if I were the Administration, I would have arrested all the "protestors" and ignored Lemon. Lemon is sleeping well feeling relevant today, they gave him that.
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Right, but once again you cite Lemon doing exactly something no one would be surprised a reporter, on scene would do, and you pretend that is a crime.

You are either lying or stupid or both.

ZOMG people were killed by a person with a manifesto to kill people and the reporter "shoved a microphone into the face of some of the victims and brought up the issue of the manifesto and what it said and what the motivations were by the person when they did what they did'.


That reporter Is GUILTY says Damo and the other terminally stupid.
 
Damocles said:
Lemon was in that church participating in what he thought was "protest" but what was intimidation and a violation of Federal laws that we commonly refer to as "the KKK Laws". He stuffed the microphone in the pastor's face and told him all about it, how it was his right...
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False. Lemon when speaking to the ICE thug guy Lemon even said, "I'm here as a journalist, I'm not here with these people". That's pretty daming to your attempt to railroad which is why the case is going to be tossed.
Damocles said:
Personally, if I were the Administration, I would have arrested all the "protestors" and ignored Lemon. Lemon is sleeping well feeling relevant today, they gave him that.
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This is NOT about Lemon sleeping well. This is about your trumptard buddies tossing the Constitution into a burning 55 gallon drum in order to exact revenge for speech they don't like.
 
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