Illegal alien voted in multiple presidential elections

[Jake Starkey]

Your shift to ad hominem and insults tells me everything I need to know. You want the Left's 'Dictatorship of Virtue' to win and live in a Socialist slave society reminiscent of Orwell's 1984.

You don't insult and ad hom? You are a hypocrite as well as bad at logic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It is self evident. And you use false logic as I proved. You have no cred as an opponent.

You proved nothing, and what is "self evident" about those bills?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You don't insult and ad hom? You are a hypocrite as well as bad at logic.

Insult? Yes, some. Ad hominem? Rarely if ever. You likely don't even know the difference between the two.

 

[Jake Starkey]

You proved nothing, and what is "self evident" about those bills?

Yes, I did completely. I was talking about your lack of logic, not the bills.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Insult? Yes, some. Ad hominem? Rarely if ever. You likely don't even know the difference between the two.

You demonstate you don't. You are wrong here. You are not an old clever gray owl sitting in the elm tree.

 

[FastLane]

You demonstate you don't. You are wrong here. You are not an old clever gray owl sitting in the elm tree.

I thought that was foulwoman's job not that she is clever or anything.

 

[Into the Night]

One guy voted five times? Charge him and try him.

AND charge and try those who allowed such election fraud.

 

[Into the Night]

Prove it.

You cannot.

Already done, Sybil. What rock have YOU been hiding under??

 

[Into the Night]

Here's another one.

"A Lehigh Valley man faces possible prison time after a federal jury convicted him of election fraud offenses on Wednesday.

Federal prosecutors said 32-year-old Matthew Laiss, who now lives in Bethlehem, voted twice for President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, doing so in two different states.

Court filings show Laiss voted via a mail-in ballot using the Ottsville, Bucks County home where his parents lived.

He did so after moving his primary residence to Florida, where he also went to a polling location to cast a ballot."

Pennsylvania man convicted of fraud for voting twice in 2020 presidential election

Federal prosecutors said a Lehigh Valley man voted twice for President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, doing so in two different states.

6abc.com

There was no election in 2020, Kristie. It faulted due to DEMOCRAT election fraud.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't believe you. The guys been here for 28 years, supposedly under ICE supervision yet not removed in all that time? Voted illegally five times while under ICE supervision and they never knew it?

Yup. That's what happened!

 

[Into the Night]

Nobody but you said that. It does happen but not very often.

It happens fairly often, Sybil.

And certainly in no way does it affect election outcomes.

The bigger problem is election fraud by election officials.

You can't make what DEMOCRATS did just disappear, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't it also a fallacy to claim to know the impact of voter fraud?

No, LeftNut. ALL voter fraud has an impact on voter fraud.

 

[Into the Night]

We have no sure way of knowing that. What you offer is simply a McNamara fallacy. So, called because it only accounts for what is measurable and known discounting or ignoring all else.

Excellent call. They probably don't even know what a McNamara fallacy IS.

Democrats are STILL trying to make their election fraud disappear. They are STILL trying to say that voter fraud itself doesn't affect voter fraud, or even that it should be allowed.

 

[Into the Night]

We are at close to 100 percent now.

Argument from randU fallacy.
Making up numbers doesn't mean anything, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

You must think that voter ID would bring illegal voting down to zero, when it's already negligible.

McNamara fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy. Trivialization fallacy.

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Illegal voting in the U.S. is extremely rare, with estimates suggesting it occurs at a rate of about 0.000003 cases for every vote cast. This means the percentage of illegal voting is negligible compared to the total number of votes.

Cato Institute ap.org

Same fallacies.

It won't work, Kristie.

 

[Nordberg]

You must think showing an ID when you vote is onerous . It is not. I do it every time I vote. Takes less than 30 seconds. If you don't really look for voter fraud you aren't likely to find voter fraud.

So voter suppression is good. The fact is, we have a lot of checks in our system. When you registered, you had to show ID and the election commission is charged with checking your qualifications. You should volunteer to work in an election or 2. Then you could really learn something.

 

[Into the Night]

You use terms you don't really comprehend.

Lie. He has already shown a very understanding of it, in terms of voter fraud.

We can guess pretty that sure we are close to 100.

Argument from randU fallacy. McNamara fallacy. Trivialization fallacy.
Illieracy: Use of plural for singular. Omniscience fallacy.

You are not able to make a case for stricter levels.

He already did, Sybil.

But... if you can, your duty is to do so, rather than "the no sure way of knowing that" argument.

A valid argument, Sybil.

The McNamara Fallacy is when someone only considers what can be measured and dismisses what cannot be measured — even when the unmeasured factors are important.

Redefinition fallacy. That is NOT a McNamara fallacy. You are describing an argument of the stone fallacy...one of your favorites.

The classic example: Robert McNamara measuring body counts in Vietnam and assuming that meant the U.S. was winning.

But in the statement you showed, the person is not identifying that pattern — they’re just asserting it.

Which is what you are doing.

This happens when someone slaps a fallacy label onto an argument without demonstrating that the fallacy actually applies.

Denying your fallacies doesn't make them go away, Sybil.

It’s a rhetorical shortcut:

• No explanation
• No evidence
• No demonstration of the four steps of the McNamara fallacy
• Just the label

This is also called:

• Bare assertion fallacy
• Fallacy fallacy (claiming something is wrong because it contains a fallacy label)
• Ipse dixit (“it is so because I say so”)

The McNamara fallacy would apply only if someone said:

Redefinition fallacies. Denial of logic.

But most Voter ID arguments are about:

• access
• burden
• disenfranchisement
• administrative cost
• constitutional principles

Those are not measurable-only arguments.So invoking McNamara here is misapplied.

Lies. You can't make your fallacies just disappear, Sybil.

The speaker is using the name of a fallacy as a rhetorical weapon rather than actually showing the reasoning error.​

Lie. He is showing your reasoning errors.

Yes — there is a fallacy. The person is incorrectly invoking the McNamara fallacy and is instead committing a bare assertion fallacy (and arguably a fallacy fallacy) by claiming the argument is invalid simply because they labeled it with a fallacy name.

Fallacy fallacies. Redefinition fallacies. Reasoning errors invalidate the reasoning, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

In fact ,since 1992,there have been 2 billion votes and they found 10 instances of illegals voting. It is a make believe problem to fire up haters, This board is full of them.

McNamara fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy.
That won't work, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

We have caught far more magat voters, including ones who run the local election administration voting illegally for dead relatives, etc.

Buzzword fallacy. You are describing mostly Democrats.

For every one of those we have caught there 10,000 we did not catch.

Argument from randU fallacy.

So we should just ban magats from voting.

So you advocate banning Democrats from voting.

 

[Into the Night]

MAGAs indeed are fuckling losers who are fucking fucking losers and making more fucking losers.

You are describing Democrats again, Sybil.