Iran is mining the straight of Hormuz
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T. A. Gardner
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The whole of the TDS, Trump hating crowd thinks like that. Better America is defeated and humiliated because it gets Trump than cheer for our troops and hope for victory in a war.
Anyone who didn't see this coming is a fucking moron.
What are they supposedly mining it with?
QED
FastLane
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They are going to run out of Supreme leaders before the US runs out of bombs.
The last time Iran did this they used motor whale boats as "mine-laying ships". They were about the size of the "drug boats" Trump bombed in the Caribbean. Some were larger, but a whale boat looks more like a fishing vessel than a larger ship.
The First Tanker War with Iran
If tensions between the US and Iran in the Persian Gulf lead to war, it will not be the first time. In 1987 and 1988, the US intervened to protect shipping from Iranian attacks.
Freddie no longer plays checkers with a full set of game pieces.
QP!
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Not wanting the US to attack N.Korea, China, Canada and not supporting an administration choice to do so IS NOT showing a lack of support for the troops or the US so you can take your recycled 'support the Vietnam War or you hate the troops and America" neocon talking point shit elsewhere.
Jake Starkey
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You are a hoot.
Fake ignore is the best.
Jake Starkey
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Very good self insight for a change.
Fun is important.
T. A. Gardner
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More Leftist, myopic, stupidity.Not wanting the US to attack N.Korea, China, Canada and not supporting an administration choice to do so IS NOT showing a lack of support for the troops or the US so you can take your recycled 'support the Vietnam War or you hate the troops and America" neocon talking point shit elsewhere.
You ever watch the movie The Best Years of our Lives (1946)? Watch it sometime. It makes your cartoon look utterly stupid.
QP!
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And you make yourself look stupid.
It is a lazy and idiotic argument pushed by neocons across every single war where you push 'you are not supporting the troops' or 'America', if you question the decision to be in Vietnam, or how Biden extracted the US from Afghanistan, or Trump's wars.
You are making zero argument and only repeating the neocon talking point
Questioning leaderships decisions =/= not supporting America, the troops or wanting the USA to lose
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Doesn't realize The Best Years of our Lives was about Post-WWII not Vietnam, the Gulf War and the Iraq War as @QP depicted.
FWIW, I agreed with the Gulf War. Saddam crossed the line when he invaded Kuwait. I admired GHW Bush for pulling together an Arab coalition to stop him.
QP!
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It is citizens duty to question a POTUSp decision to take the country to war whether they end up agreeing or disagreeing.
Neocons never wanted any challenge and created the tactic Terry is repeating thread to thread which is to frame any and all disagreement with the POTUS as not supporting the troops or America.
It is lazy and stupid
T. A. Gardner
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The wrong answer is the one you are pushing.
First, you give the Leftist pat answer blaming the war on big corporations and "neocons." Those are go to's for the Left.
Vietnam was the decision of LBJ to get involved based on a known LIE. He used the Gulf of Tonkin incident to push the US into that war. Eisenhower and Kennedy both stayed out offering the French and S. Vietnamese only material support and training but no ground war commitment. There were less than 1000 US troops in S. Vietnam, as instructors and technical support prior to LBJ going 'all in.' Once LBJ ordered troops in that went quickly north of 20,000 almost immediately.
Afghanistan was inevitable following 9/11 given that was were Al Queda was operating from. Saddam was the leading source of other international terrorism and taken out too.
Kosovo, Clinton's war--you forgot about that one--was Europe's problem and should have been Europe's to solve, no US involvement needed. But the Eurotrash couldn't get their shit together and do it without US help.
Libya was highly questionable. That was Obama's doing. Gaddafi was not much of an issue and regime change turned out a negative there too. If you recall, our supposed NATO allies couldn't get their shit together long enough to help. Sweden sent some aircraft that went to Italy to participate only to discover that the jet fuel they used wasn't available to fill the planes up! How useless is that?
Obama failed with ISIS where Trump crushed them. Like it or not, that's how that one play out.
Virtually none of this is "neocon" generated either. Your knowledge of US foreign affairs history is sorely lacking.
Agreed. Same goes for Congress as the People's reps. Except for Trump's Operation Epstein Distractions, all Presidents have put forth reasons to use American military forces against other nations per the War Powers Resolution.
As Trump is proving, the Resolution needs some tightening up.
QP!
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Not dealing with you ridiculous word vomit.
You are saying versions of this point you made over and over in chats...
"...Better America is defeated and humiliated because it gets Trump than cheer for our troops and hope for victory in a war..."
Not agreeing with the reason behind going to war and arguing against it is as partriotic as cheering a war and POTUS you agree with.
You, Terry DO NOT have to agree with the decisions Biden made in pulling the US out of the Afghan war and 'not agreeing' does not mean you wanted America to fail or did not support the troops.
We DO NOT have to agree with Trumps decisions to launch this war.
QP!
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What @T. A. Gardner ignores is that the reason given for the rise of Al Qaeda and much of the Mid East terrorism and hate directed at America, which lead to September 11 was based on EXACTLY the NeoCon philosophy Trump is now pushing again in the ME.
It was about US puppets being imposed in countries, who suppress the people backed up by US might. You need look no further than what Trump has done in Venezuela and what Trump says he wants for Gaza, and he is now saying about Iran, where he feels he should get to choose or approve any leadership in place.
None of this is new and it is why you see John Bolton and Lindsey Graham all over the news shows now saying how much they support what Trump is doing in these actions.
T. A. Gardner
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The weakness of the Carter administration followed by indifference from Reagan. 9/11 was largely a fault of Clinton who put a solid firewall between the CIA and FBI meaning there was little or no cooperation between international and domestic terrorist information passing back and forth.
Carter let the Shaw fall and made the rise of the Ayatollahs in Iran possible. He made the rise of Saddam possible. Those events led to a general rise in terrorism across the Middle East.